Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[United Muscovite Nations]

If Britain hadn't fought WWI, Germany would have surpassed them.

Oh, the Kaiserreich needed it’s wings clipped for sure. Rushing in like that in 1914 was catastrophic.

Germany would have won the war if not for the intervention of Britain in 1914.

[Greater Loegria]

Oh, the Kaiserreich needed it’s wings clipped for sure. Rushing in like that in 1914 was catastrophic.

Germany would have won the war if not for the intervention of Britain in 1914.

I’d have liked to have seen them try and occupy large swathes of Russia and France. Britain could have had at least given itself time to properly mobilise its full military strength.

[Jolthig]

I'm with Lower Nubia on this one.

Though my personal opinion is that while according to the Quran, rebelling against governments unless if it's absolutely needed, is against Islam, if governments agree to recognize new nations, then, that's not against the Quran either to my knowledge.

That's where my theology differs from OT's.

I would argue that rebellion against the British government was not absolutely needed in the case of the Revolutionary War.

You're not wrong, and this was the view of many founding fathers. Benjamin Franklin especially opposed rebellion. They opposed the actions of the more radical people. They instead, wished to vent their problems in the psrliament rather than join hands in a revolution. Unfortunately, the Crown and Parliament ignored this.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Germany would have won the war if not for the intervention of Britain in 1914.

I’d have liked to have seen them try and occupy large swathes of Russia and France. Britain could have had at least given itself time to properly mobilise its full military strength.

You mean like they did historically?

[Novus America]

And what alternative was there to the treaty? You could not out-build the US. Failing to sign the treaty would leave you in second place instead of tied in first.

I get why you might be upset are that loss, but WWI was a Pyrrhic victory, even in victory you were defeated.

You had no other choice. No alternative.

As for the rest I think much of it is excessively polemic, but if that is the case be a force for the change you seek, if you lose lose fighting.

There was an alternative. To not sign it. If it came to blows then so be it. Wilson hated Britain and we should have known it. The idea America came to our aid in either war is fucking bollocks. It was entirely to assert themselves as the new world order. As they had every right to do. But it was the expense of my country so now I am at liberty to grumble about it.

Of course it’s excessively polemic. My nation had been destroyed and there is nothing that can be done. I do what I can to argue my case in public but there’s only so much one can say in my country before you get brought crashing down. I need to make money and get on in life. I shall continue through the army and should I not end being reduced to pink goo by a roadside bomb in whatever third world shithole we’re sent to then I shall retire to a cottage with some livestock and crops and eke out my days shooting game, drinking and smoking.

There is nothing that can be done to reverse the ruin. Christianity will not be rekindled, immigration not stemmed, existing immigrants not repatriated, jobs and industries not returned from China, our hegemony not restored. It is finished. It is over. What is left can go to the fucking dogs. God will have his way with those responsible.

Again not signing it would have ensured US Naval supremacy.

Not signing it would have solved nothing.

As for the the UK, you should not give up. And really the UK is not that bad.
Keep fighting, never surrender.

I do not understand the issue with all immigrants, though I do think you should cut out the Islamists from further migration of course.

Sure your hegemony is gone, never to return. But you can still preserve your existing power. And the US has begun shifting away from embracing neoliberal outsourcing, the tide seems to be turning on that point.

Perhaps you can start taking more action against PRC depredations.
I do not think that is impossible.

[Novus America]

What did you expect, that countries would never industrialize and that Britain would maintain its worldwide naval superiority and empire forever? That's delusional, technology and economic growth spread.

Not forever. But America and two world wars accelerated our decline. Both those wars, at least for Britain could have been avoidable in the way we went in. Yeah sure some people somewhere who speak funny languages were going to get shafted but who the hell cares? Not the ordinary bloke down a mine in Wales or on his cattle farm in Wiltshire.

I still think the focus on the US is excessive.
It was the world wars and your failure to adopt some form of imperial federation model that was your undoing. But that was not our fault.

[Greater Loegria]

There was an alternative. To not sign it. If it came to blows then so be it. Wilson hated Britain and we should have known it. The idea America came to our aid in either war is fucking bollocks. It was entirely to assert themselves as the new world order. As they had every right to do. But it was the expense of my country so now I am at liberty to grumble about it.

Of course it’s excessively polemic. My nation had been destroyed and there is nothing that can be done. I do what I can to argue my case in public but there’s only so much one can say in my country before you get brought crashing down. I need to make money and get on in life. I shall continue through the army and should I not end being reduced to pink goo by a roadside bomb in whatever third world shithole we’re sent to then I shall retire to a cottage with some livestock and crops and eke out my days shooting game, drinking and smoking.

There is nothing that can be done to reverse the ruin. Christianity will not be rekindled, immigration not stemmed, existing immigrants not repatriated, jobs and industries not returned from China, our hegemony not restored. It is finished. It is over. What is left can go to the fucking dogs. God will have his way with those responsible.

Again not signing it would have ensured US Naval supremacy.

Not signing it would have solved nothing.

As for the the UK, you should not give up. And really the UK is not that bad.
Keep fighting, never surrender.

Isn’t it?
Swamped by immigration: most of whom like our money but hate us. We face cultural saturation as immigrant communities clump together hence severely hampering any efforts to assimilate them. We’ve turned our back on Christianity and as a result on an absolute morality: even prominent atheists concede that a rejection of God as a reality ought not to warrant the destruction of material and philosophical Christendom. Our ability to produce our own things is gone and with the employment of many many people and whole swathes of the country locked in crippling deprivation and due to our national debt the government can only cut what services those communities have left. We are led by people who have no notion of national survival and think of themselves as global citizens. Those that speak up get blacklisted for life.

[Greater Loegria]

Not forever. But America and two world wars accelerated our decline. Both those wars, at least for Britain could have been avoidable in the way we went in. Yeah sure some people somewhere who speak funny languages were going to get shafted but who the hell cares? Not the ordinary bloke down a mine in Wales or on his cattle farm in Wiltshire.

I still think the focus on the US is excessive.
It was the world wars and your failure to adopt some form of imperial federation model that was your undoing. But that was not our fault.

My focus on the US is more to compensate for pile of steaming horseshit that is the idea America is somehow Britain is our friend. No other country has actively facilitated our ruin more. Be it undermining us in the Suez or funding the IRA. Or encouraging us to decolonise.
Fair play to you lot. You’ve won for now. I just think it’s a catastrophe.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Again not signing it would have ensured US Naval supremacy.

Not signing it would have solved nothing.

As for the the UK, you should not give up. And really the UK is not that bad.
Keep fighting, never surrender.

Isn’t it?
Swamped by immigration: most of whom like our money but hate us. We face cultural saturation as immigrant communities clump together hence severely hampering any efforts to assimilate them. We’ve turned our back on Christianity and as a result on an absolute morality: even prominent atheists concede that a rejection of God as a reality ought not to warrant the destruction of material and philosophical Christendom. Our ability to produce our own things is gone and with the employment of many many people and whole swathes of the country locked in crippling deprivation and due to our national debt the government can only cut what services those communities have left. We are led by people who have no notion of national survival and think of themselves as global citizens. Those that speak up get blacklisted for life.

Tbf the entire western is facing these issues, not just Britain.

[Novus America]

Again not signing it would have ensured US Naval supremacy.

Not signing it would have solved nothing.

As for the the UK, you should not give up. And really the UK is not that bad.
Keep fighting, never surrender.

Isn’t it?
Swamped by immigration: most of whom like our money but hate us. We face cultural saturation as immigrant communities clump together hence severely hampering any efforts to assimilate them. We’ve turned our back on Christianity and as a result on an absolute morality: even prominent atheists concede that a rejection of God as a reality ought not to warrant the destruction of material and philosophical Christendom. Our ability to produce our own things is gone and with the employment of many many people and whole swathes of the country locked in crippling deprivation and due to our national debt the government can only cut what services those communities have left. We are led by people who have no notion of national survival and think of themselves as global citizens. Those that speak up get blacklisted for life.

I do it understand the issue with immigration in general, but you definitely need to keep more Islamists from coming in.
The outsourcing and neoliberal trade is a major issue, but here things are shifting away from complete embrace of outsourcing to a more economically nationalist approach. You could too.
The tide is turning away from neoliberal outsourcing.
Of course despite the damage we suffered we still preserved a lot more of our manufacturing base.

On Christianity well Christianity needs to learn how to market if it is to survive. It needs to go out actively selling Christianity, not simply sitting around an doing nothing.
But some churches are doing better than others. Some are more actively seeking to sell themselves as an alternative to today’s nihilism. People want and need some sense of meaning and purpose, you have to convince them why it is your religion that can offer them that.

As to how to fix your politics that is indeed the sticking point. But vote, write, campaign, convince. Do not give up.

[Kowani]

I'm with Lower Nubia on this one.

Though my personal opinion is that while according to the Quran, rebelling against governments unless if it's absolutely needed, is against Islam, if governments agree to recognize new nations, then, that's not against the Quran either to my knowledge.

That's where my theology differs from OT's.

I would argue that rebellion against the British government was not absolutely needed in the case of the Revolutionary War.

What was-the Olive Branch Treaty?

[Greater Loegria]

Isn’t it?
Swamped by immigration: most of whom like our money but hate us. We face cultural saturation as immigrant communities clump together hence severely hampering any efforts to assimilate them. We’ve turned our back on Christianity and as a result on an absolute morality: even prominent atheists concede that a rejection of God as a reality ought not to warrant the destruction of material and philosophical Christendom. Our ability to produce our own things is gone and with the employment of many many people and whole swathes of the country locked in crippling deprivation and due to our national debt the government can only cut what services those communities have left. We are led by people who have no notion of national survival and think of themselves as global citizens. Those that speak up get blacklisted for life.

Tbf the entire western is facing these issues, not just Britain.

I only care about Britain. The rest of the world can fuck itself with a roughened log for all I care.

And yes I am aware. Western Christendom is dying and nothing can be done for it -and even if there were remedies there is no desire from those who run the show to do anything about it. The ‘right’ can hooray all it wants about Trump or Brexit but they’re merely gasps of fresh air. We’ll soon be dragged under the sea again.

[Novus America]

I still think the focus on the US is excessive.
It was the world wars and your failure to adopt some form of imperial federation model that was your undoing. But that was not our fault.

My focus on the US is more to compensate for pile of steaming horseshit that is the idea America is somehow Britain is our friend. No other country has actively facilitated our ruin more. Be it undermining us in the Suez or funding the IRA. Or encouraging us to decolonise.
Fair play to you lot. You’ve won for now. I just think it’s a catastrophe.

Suez left us no choice. It was just stupidly done.
Had the UK openly intervened right when Nasser seized it maybe.
But you waited too long, by then anger towards Nasser had dropped, and the fears he would cause the canal to fail had been disproven as it continued to run fine.

You waited too long, tried a blatant lie to justify it that everyone saw through, and did it right as the Soviets were in Hungary.

The US had no choice but to oppose Suez. Supporting it would make almost the whole world hate us besides the UK, Israel and France, pretty much nobody else was in favor.
It would have left us isolated and emboldened the Soviets, and left us unable to use their Hungarian operation as a great bludgeon to hit them with and a wedge to split up Western Communists.

Doing nothing would make us look weak and have the same problems as above, because the world would believe we tacitly supported it.

Opposing it was the only option. Even still you seriously hurt us and helped the Soviets with it.
It was a bad move at a bad time.

You put us in a horrible situation where opposing you was the least bad of all bad options.

Decolonization was happening regardless, and was more due to internal decisions then external pressure. We did not elect Attlee for example. And your economic situation made it unavoidable.

And imperial federation of the “white dominions” and current Commonwealth Realms could have survived. But that was an internal political failure that happened before, not because of us.

Really the US was not to blame for most of it at all.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tbf the entire western is facing these issues, not just Britain.

I only care about Britain. The rest of the world can fuck itself with a roughened log for all I care.

And yes I am aware. Western Christendom is dying and nothing can be done for it -and even if there were remedies there is no desire from those who run the show to do anything about it. The ‘right’ can hooray all it wants about Trump or Brexit but they’re merely gasps of fresh air. We’ll soon be dragged under the sea again.

You should care about places other than Britain, you can't be self sufficient.

[Greater Loegria]

I only care about Britain. The rest of the world can fuck itself with a roughened log for all I care.

And yes I am aware. Western Christendom is dying and nothing can be done for it -and even if there were remedies there is no desire from those who run the show to do anything about it. The ‘right’ can hooray all it wants about Trump or Brexit but they’re merely gasps of fresh air. We’ll soon be dragged under the sea again.

You should care about places other than Britain, you can't be self sufficient.

I care about them to a limited extent.

And no we can’t anymore. All just part of how fucked it all is.

[Cappuccina]

Germany would have won the war if not for the intervention of Britain in 1914.

I’d have liked to have seen them try and occupy large swathes of Russia and France. Britain could have had at least given itself time to properly mobilise its full military strength.

Germany wouldn't have had to occupy much of Russia to defeat them, Russia was a backwater in 1914....the Reich could've just bled their economy dry.

[Greater Loegria]

I’d have liked to have seen them try and occupy large swathes of Russia and France. Britain could have had at least given itself time to properly mobilise its full military strength.

Germany wouldn't have had to occupy much of Russia to defeat them, Russia was a backwater in 1914....the Reich could've just bled their economy dry.

To this date Russia is yet to have been successfully destroyed in war on its own turf.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Germany wouldn't have had to occupy much of Russia to defeat them, Russia was a backwater in 1914....the Reich could've just bled their economy dry.

To this date Russia is yet to have been successfully destroyed in war on its own turf.

Russia lost WWI.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Germany wouldn't have had to occupy much of Russia to defeat them, Russia was a backwater in 1914....the Reich could've just bled their economy dry.

To this date Russia is yet to have been successfully destroyed in war on its own turf.

Climate has a lot to do with it.

[Greater Loegria]

To this date Russia is yet to have been successfully destroyed in war on its own turf.

Russia lost WWI.

It’s Marxist government capitulated in order to see through its domestic revolution.

[Cappuccina]

To this date Russia is yet to have been successfully destroyed in war on its own turf.

Russia lost WWI.

Tbf tho, they fought well.

[United Muscovite Nations]

To this date Russia is yet to have been successfully destroyed in war on its own turf.

Climate has a lot to do with it.

More just the size. Climate is often exaggerated in pop-history narratives. Like Napoleon invaded in summer and the decisive battle of the campaign was fought in early September.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Russia lost WWI.

It’s Marxist government capitulated in order to see through its domestic revolution.

Russia's armies were no longer capable of giving battle against the Germans, the Kerensky offensive had all-but destroyed the Imperial Russian Army.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Russia lost WWI.

Tbf tho, they fought well.

Yes, but it was a loss.

[Greater Loegria]

It’s Marxist government capitulated in order to see through its domestic revolution.

Russia's armies were no longer capable of giving battle against the Germans, the Kerensky offensive had all-but destroyed the Imperial Russian Army.

A German invasion of the Russian heartland would have crippled their army.