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Novus America wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:I disagree. The original purpose was to get a piece of the pie in the Silk Road; but that doesn't exactly get the knights of Europe to sign up for your cause; introduce the Liberation of Jerusalem, a Papal Indulgence, and Let's-Lick-Those-Muslims-Over-There; and you've got yourself a devoted fighting force.

But I do agree that Islam was a threat to Europe; and you could make the argument that many of the later wars against the Ottoman Empire; striving to halt their advance into Central and Eastern Europe constitute Crusades in it of themselves.

Well whose original purpose are we talking about?
There were many different parties involved.

For the Italian banking clans sure. But they did not do it alone.

Nea Byzantia wrote:

Novus America wrote:
Well whose original purpose are we talking about?
There were many different parties involved.

For the Italian banking clans sure. But they did not do it alone.

That's right, they used the Franks and Germanics as patsies.

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I am. The gent pictured, wearing a top hat stylishly, is Bill Cutting, a nativist Prot gang-leader in the film "Gangs of New York".

Make your own conclusion.

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:I finally log on to this for the day after having a pleasant morning, and I find the borderline fetishization of atrocities/war-crimes with some thinly-veiled racist sentiment as well. I must say that, while I probably shouldn't be surprised at this, I'm somewhat disappointed in you all. Actually no, I'm very disappointed. No offense is intended, of course, but I nevertheless felt the need to express my... dismay, perhaps? Either way, I'm disheartened(?) now.

Salus Maior wrote:

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Broke: Crusaders are cool
Woke: VIVA CRISTO REY

Angry Mexican militia is cooler than chivalric knights of Christendom?

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:I finally log on to this for the day after having a pleasant morning, and I find the borderline fetishization of atrocities/war-crimes with some thinly-veiled racist sentiment as well. I must say that, while I probably shouldn't be surprised at this, I'm somewhat disappointed in you all. Actually no, I'm very disappointed. No offense is intended, of course, but I nevertheless felt the need to express my... dismay, perhaps? Either way, I'm disheartened(?) now.

Don't blame me, I wasn't involved.

Benuty wrote:I have no idea why representative Tlaib is surprised about Israel. Her ethnicity is treated by the Israelis, and Arabs as syphilis. At least the Saudi’s have to care when one of their slaves from abroad threatens to jump from a hotel over severe employer abuse (because it looks bad).

Fahran wrote:

Benuty wrote:I have no idea why representative Tlaib is surprised about Israel. Her ethnicity is treated by the Israelis, and Arabs as syphilis. At least the Saudi’s have to care when one of their slaves from abroad threatens to jump from a hotel over severe employer abuse (because it looks bad).

I'd be a lot more likely to take Tlaib's side if she wasn't openly rubbing shoulders with publishers of blood libel. As far as I'm concerned, she deserved the ban she got, and it has nothing to do with Israelis disliking Palestinians. It has everything to do with her empowering people who want to ethnically cleanse Jews and who peddle Antisemitic canards.

Source.

Fahran wrote:

Benuty wrote:I have no idea why representative Tlaib is surprised about Israel. Her ethnicity is treated by the Israelis, and Arabs as syphilis. At least the Saudi’s have to care when one of their slaves from abroad threatens to jump from a hotel over severe employer abuse (because it looks bad).

I'd be a lot more likely to take Tlaib's side if she wasn't openly rubbing shoulders with publishers of blood libel. As far as I'm concerned, she deserved the ban she got, and it has nothing to do with Israelis disliking Palestinians. It has everything to do with her empowering people who want to ethnically cleanse Jews and who peddle Antisemitic canards.

Source.

Fahran wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Angry Mexican militia is cooler than chivalric knights of Christendom?

Honestly, the Cristeros did absolutely nothing wrong in opposing Calles and his attempt to dismantle the Catholic Church in Mexico. Gorostieta was a gudboi and the 1857 Constitution was the best constitution.

Benuty wrote:

Fahran wrote:I'd be a lot more likely to take Tlaib's side if she wasn't openly rubbing shoulders with publishers of blood libel. As far as I'm concerned, she deserved the ban she got, and it has nothing to do with Israelis disliking Palestinians. It has everything to do with her empowering people who want to ethnically cleanse Jews and who peddle Antisemitic canards.

Source.

I would say it has a bit to do with it. The Palestinians are essentially upjumps who can’t figure out how their pathetic excuse of a nation will die faster. Whether it’s by the water running out or becoming too polluted to drink or by angry Israelis bombing the hell of them for launching attacks that end up killing people. The Arabs play the Palestinian sympathy card, but at the end of the day treat them no better than a syphilitic prostitute begging a mob boss for money to get treatment when it’s too late.

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:I finally log on to this for the day after having a pleasant morning, and I find the borderline fetishization of atrocities/war-crimes with some thinly-veiled racist sentiment as well. I must say that, while I probably shouldn't be surprised at this, I'm somewhat disappointed in you all. Actually no, I'm very disappointed. No offense is intended, of course, but I nevertheless felt the need to express my... dismay, perhaps? Either way, I'm disheartened(?) now.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Fahran wrote:I'd be a lot more likely to take Tlaib's side if she wasn't openly rubbing shoulders with publishers of blood libel. As far as I'm concerned, she deserved the ban she got, and it has nothing to do with Israelis disliking Palestinians. It has everything to do with her empowering people who want to ethnically cleanse Jews and who peddle Antisemitic canards.

Source.

I'd take claims of wanting to ethnically cleanse Jews more seriously if Israel weren't ethnically cleansing the occupied territories.

Novus America wrote:

Benuty wrote:I would say it has a bit to do with it. The Palestinians are essentially upjumps who can’t figure out how their pathetic excuse of a nation will die faster. Whether it’s by the water running out or becoming too polluted to drink or by angry Israelis bombing the hell of them for launching attacks that end up killing people. The Arabs play the Palestinian sympathy card, but at the end of the day treat them no better than a syphilitic prostitute begging a mob boss for money to get treatment when it’s too late.

The biggest harm to the Palestinian Arab cause is unfortunately the atrocious conduct of many Palestinian Arabs.

For example in Gaza they actually elected Hamas, despite knowing this meant eternal warfare, brutal theocracy and economic ruin.

The majority (not all, I do feel bad for those that did not) votes for collective suicide.

Novus America wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:That's right, they used the Franks and Germanics as patsies.

That is true.
The sad thing is the Crusades could have been good, but alas greed turned them into mass murdering mercenaries.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Novus America wrote:
The biggest harm to the Palestinian Arab cause is unfortunately the atrocious conduct of many Palestinian Arabs.

For example in Gaza they actually elected Hamas, despite knowing this meant eternal warfare, brutal theocracy and economic ruin.

The majority (not all, I do feel bad for those that did not) votes for collective suicide.

Israel has been violating the Oslo Accords and not giving credence to the peace process for decades before Hamas gained power.

Benuty wrote:I would say it has a bit to do with it. The Palestinians are essentially upjumps who can’t figure out how their pathetic excuse of a nation will die faster. Whether it’s by the water running out or becoming too polluted to drink or by angry Israelis bombing the hell of them for launching attacks that end up killing people. The Arabs play the Palestinian sympathy card, but at the end of the day treat them no better than a syphilitic prostitute begging a mob boss for money to get treatment when it’s too late.

Nea Byzantia wrote:

Novus America wrote:
That is true.
The sad thing is the Crusades could have been good, but alas greed turned them into mass murdering mercenaries.

It was about Money and Power from the beginning, how was it supposed to end well?

Nea Byzantia wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Israel has been violating the Oslo Accords and not giving credence to the peace process for decades before Hamas gained power.

Almost like Israel's actions caused the ascendancy of Hamas.

Novus America wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:It was about Money and Power from the beginning, how was it supposed to end well?

It was not about money and power for most people at the beginning though.

Nea Byzantia wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Israel has been violating the Oslo Accords and not giving credence to the peace process for decades before Hamas gained power.

Almost like Israel's actions caused the ascendancy of Hamas.

Novus America wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:It was about Money and Power from the beginning, how was it supposed to end well?

It was not about money and power for most people at the beginning though.

Novus America wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:Almost like Israel's actions caused the ascendancy of Hamas.

Oh they certainly helped. Israel is hardly innocent.

But that does not excuse Hamas or those that voted for them.