Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Kowani]

With a rural shire-esque society you expect to have the infrastructure for that? Pssh.

I don't believe every aspect of society should be like that. For the common folk, yes. But industries of war must be maintained to defend them.

And you don’t see any problem with the economics of that?

[Novus America]

Honestly, the closest we can get to the rural ideal are suburban "villages". I envision a community of houses, each residence growing food in the backyard, organised under local councils. Even then, the distribution of employment and cultural/religious differences put paid to that idea.

I mean we already have that to some degree in parts of the US.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I don't believe every aspect of society should be like that. For the common folk, yes. But industries of war must be maintained to defend them.

And you don’t see any problem with the economics of that?

There's numerous ways it could be made to work.

[Kowani]

And you don’t see any problem with the economics of that?

There's numerous ways it could be made to work.

Such as?

[Washington Resistance Army]

There's numerous ways it could be made to work.

Such as?

Vast economic reform first and foremost.

[Kowani]

Such as?

Vast economic reform first and foremost.

You’ll need to elaborate on this.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Vast economic reform first and foremost.

You’ll need to elaborate on this.

Lets go with a simple "destroy our current crony capitalist system" to start.

[Kowani]

You’ll need to elaborate on this.

Lets go with a simple "destroy our current crony capitalist system" to start.

And you plan on not getting ass fucked with a sword while your economy crumbles?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Lets go with a simple "destroy our current crony capitalist system" to start.

And you plan on not getting ass fucked with a sword while your economy crumbles?

Nothing good comes without hardship. You yourself have acknowledged this much in your own beliefs.

[Kowani]

And you plan on not getting ass fucked with a sword while your economy crumbles?

Nothing good comes without hardship. You yourself have acknowledged this much in your own beliefs.

Of course. But I don’t plan on voluntarily ripping out my heart and leaving it exposed for someone to rip up.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nothing good comes without hardship. You yourself have acknowledged this much in your own beliefs.

Of course. But I don’t plan on voluntarily ripping out my heart and leaving it exposed for someone to rip up.

Thankfully America has enough raw firepower for that not to be a drastic concern. Under this hypothetical it's not like Canada or Mexico would suddenly have the power to take a bite out of us.

[Kowani]

Of course. But I don’t plan on voluntarily ripping out my heart and leaving it exposed for someone to rip up.

Thankfully America has enough raw firepower for that not to be a drastic concern. Under this hypothetical it's not like Canada or Mexico would suddenly have the power to take a bite out of us.

True.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Thankfully America has enough raw firepower for that not to be a drastic concern. Under this hypothetical it's not like Canada or Mexico would suddenly have the power to take a bite out of us.

True.

Whilst there would internal turmoil as well we're also a massive producer of food stuffs so a sufficiently organized campaign by this hypothetical state could likewise keep things largely fine in terms of people staying alive despite the economy being thrown in the air temporarily. There would be a transitionary period for sure, but America more than most nations could weather it imo.

Having to fight rampant consumerism and the want to always have more would be the hardest part.

[Hanafuridake]

If Pol Pot couldn't do it, the others don't have a chance. Imagine trying to force millions of suburbanites into villages and a rural lifestyle. In most cases, they don't have a shared geographical identity or faith.

Tbf the only reason Pol Pot didn't last was cuz he wasn't strong enough. Also he was batshit.

Moral objections to what Pol Pot did aside, it's just plain stupid to kill much of your party and army's leadership and then launch an invasion against a foreign country.

[Jolthig]

True.

Whilst there would internal turmoil as well we're also a massive producer of food stuffs so a sufficiently organized campaign by this hypothetical state could likewise keep things largely fine in terms of people staying alive despite the economy being thrown in the air temporarily. There would be a transitionary period for sure, but America more than most nations could weather it imo.

Having to fight rampant consumerism and the want to always have more would be the hardest part.

See, that is a thing with America. We are quite infested with greed, and we have this idea that whoever has the most money is a winner. That's why our society is in decay because of this flawed view. If individuals stop thinking this way, we could really see some change. Kinda unrelated to your views, but your last sentence was a very interesting point.

[Novus America]

Tbf the only reason Pol Pot didn't last was cuz he wasn't strong enough. Also he was batshit.

Moral objections to what Pol Pot did aside, it's just plain stupid to kill much of your party and army's leadership and then launch an invasion against a foreign country.

Especially when you destroy any technological base too. And then send your starving peasants against tanks.

[Turbofolkia]

Yep.

What's it like there? I've heard that it's generally a pleasant country. Is that the case?

Probably one of the best places in the world to live all things considered. Biggest issue is probably the brain drain to Australia. Wages are much higher in Australia while the cost of living is about the same and moving is about as easy as hopping on the next flight.

Wellington is a really comfy city even if it’s rather windy. Auckland is like any other major city and Christchurch has been through a lot in the past decade or so.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Whilst there would internal turmoil as well we're also a massive producer of food stuffs so a sufficiently organized campaign by this hypothetical state could likewise keep things largely fine in terms of people staying alive despite the economy being thrown in the air temporarily. There would be a transitionary period for sure, but America more than most nations could weather it imo.

Having to fight rampant consumerism and the want to always have more would be the hardest part.

See, that is a thing with America. We are quite infested with greed, and we have this idea that whoever has the most money is a winner. That's why our society is in decay because of this flawed view. If individuals stop thinking this way, we could really see some change. Kinda unrelated to your views, but your last sentence was a very interesting point.

Oh it's very related to my views. I'm very adamant that the sort of rampant American consumerism that exists today should be fought and destroyed.

Tbf the only reason Pol Pot didn't last was cuz he wasn't strong enough. Also he was batshit.

Moral objections to what Pol Pot did aside, it's just plain stupid to kill much of your party and army's leadership and then launch an invasion against a foreign country.

Invading a foreign country in general under Cambodia's circumstances was just really dumb tbh

[Hanafuridake]

Moral objections to what Pol Pot did aside, it's just plain stupid to kill much of your party and army's leadership and then launch an invasion against a foreign country.

Invading a foreign country in general under Cambodia's circumstances was just really dumb tbh

Eh, a conflict was going to happen eventually because of border clashes between Vietnamese and Cambodian troops (not all of them instigated by the Khmer Rouge). And the Khmer really hated the Vietnamese. It makes the Anglo-French or Franco-German rivalries look like child's play.

[Salus Maior]

Tbf the only reason Pol Pot didn't last was cuz he wasn't strong enough. Also he was batshit.

Moral objections to what Pol Pot did aside, it's just plain stupid to kill much of your party and army's leadership and then launch an invasion against a foreign country.

#justcommunistthings

[Cappuccina]

And you don’t see any problem with the economics of that?

There's numerous ways it could be made to work.

It "working" and it being a good idea are two completely different things.

[Kowani]

There's numerous ways it could be made to work.

It "working" and it being a good idea are two completely different things.

Thank you, Capu.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Invading a foreign country in general under Cambodia's circumstances was just really dumb tbh

Eh, a conflict was going to happen eventually because of border clashes between Vietnamese and Cambodian troops (not all of them instigated by the Khmer Rouge). And the Khmer really hated the Vietnamese. It makes the Anglo-French or Franco-German rivalries look like child's play.

The Germans hate the French, the French hate the Anglos, the Anglos hate the Irish, and the Irish hate the other Irish.

[Cappuccina]

It "working" and it being a good idea are two completely different things.

Thank you, Capu.

You're welcome. I hate the argument "it works", the question you should always ask is: For whom does it work?

[Kowani]

Thank you, Capu.

You're welcome. I hate the argument "it works", the question you should always ask is: For whom does it work?

That’s…actually a really good point.