Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Washington Resistance Army]

The theory behind the actions isn't inherently incorrect tbh

It is when every movement the CCP's making is in the direction directly opposite to the one Communism is actually at.

Well yeah, under Marxist thought China first needs to go through a capitalist phase before it can transition to communism. The Communist Party is doing this with strong state control and over watch to, at least on paper, be prepared for that transition. Not real communism is a bad meme, you lot just don't want to accept some of the worst people in modern history have fallen on your side lol.

[Totally Not OEP]

"China isn't Communist."
"Please explain why you believe this?"
"Open a fucking dictionary lol lmao."

Y'know, it's especially funny that you're complaining with another misused fallacy when I gave you the fucking definition anyway and saved you those precious .02 seconds of doing a Google search and doing the easiest homework imaginable lmao

You gave me a dictionary definition after complaining about being asked to do that and have yet to explain how China doesn't meet those qualifications; you've just settled for saying they don't which isn't an explanation.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

It is when every movement the CCP's making is in the direction directly opposite to the one Communism is actually at.

Well yeah, under Marxist thought China first needs to go through a capitalist phase before it can transition to communism. The Communist Party is doing this with strong state control and over watch to, at least on paper, be prepared for that transition. Not real communism is a bad meme, you lot just don't want to accept some of the worst people in modern history have fallen on your side lol.

Tbh if more Communists thought like the CPC does nowadays, I might agree with them more.

[Locus Praemonstratus]

That’s, like, your wrong opinion, man. Aquinas and Anselm are both such beasts that, till this day, no one has refuted them.

Exactly:
>mfw I have to write about the market and economy of Australia’s mining industry

Aquinas’ sophistry has been disproven so regularly for the past few centuries I refuse to read him anymore. When you advocate for your opponents’ executions, I don’t suppose you get many contemporary critics, though.

When most of objections to Aquinas’ arguments, especially his proofs, don’t actually understand the jargon and flow of his argument, nor the arguments themselves, and are just blatant misinterpretation, I am not confident that many philosophers post-Enlightenment pose any real intellectual threat. That CrashCourse video that featured Thomas, btw, was absolute dogshit, as well as the one on Anselm’s ontological argument.

[Torrocca]

It is when every movement the CCP's making is in the direction directly opposite to the one Communism is actually at.

Well yeah, under Marxist thought China first needs to go through a capitalist phase before it can transition to communism. The Communist Party is doing this with strong state control and over watch to, at least on paper, be prepared for that transition. Not real communism is a bad meme, you lot just don't want to accept some of the worst people in modern history have fallen on your side lol.

"We all know that true Communism is when you have kids stuffed in a sweatshop making iPhones for pennies an hour and the more kids you have stuffed in a sweatshop making iPhones the Communister it is."

- Karultural Marks, or somebody

[Washington Resistance Army]

Well yeah, under Marxist thought China first needs to go through a capitalist phase before it can transition to communism. The Communist Party is doing this with strong state control and over watch to, at least on paper, be prepared for that transition. Not real communism is a bad meme, you lot just don't want to accept some of the worst people in modern history have fallen on your side lol.

"We all know that true Communism is when you have kids stuffed in a sweatshop making iPhones for pennies an hour and the more kids you have stuffed in a sweatshop making iPhones the Communister it is."

- Karultural Marks, or somebody

>tfw commies start say Marx, the guy who literally created communism, wasn't a real communist

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Aquinas’ sophistry has been disproven so regularly for the past few centuries I refuse to read him anymore. When you advocate for your opponents’ executions, I don’t suppose you get many contemporary critics, though.

When most of objections to Aquinas’ arguments, especially his proofs, don’t actually understand the jargon and flow of his argument, nor the arguments themselves, and are just blatant misinterpretation, I am not confident that many philosophers post-Enlightenment pose any real intellectual threat.

“To be fair, you have to have a fairly high IQ to understand rick and morty Aquinas”
It’s not that hard, he’s just a professional BSer. That’s what theologians do.

[Torrocca]

Y'know, it's especially funny that you're complaining with another misused fallacy when I gave you the fucking definition anyway and saved you those precious .02 seconds of doing a Google search and doing the easiest homework imaginable lmao

You gave me a dictionary definition after complaining about being asked to do that and have yet to explain how China doesn't meet those qualifications; you've just settled for saying they don't which isn't an explanation.

... Y'know what, if you can't make the logical connection that the Capitalist, authoritarian state of China, with it's many social and economic classes and private ownership of the means of production isn't a stateless, classless, moneyless society in which the means of production are communally owned, then I really can't fucking help you.

[Torrocca]

"We all know that true Communism is when you have kids stuffed in a sweatshop making iPhones for pennies an hour and the more kids you have stuffed in a sweatshop making iPhones the Communister it is."

- Karultural Marks, or somebody

>tfw commies start say Marx, the guy who literally created communism, wasn't a real communist

Marx didn't create Communism, he created his idea of Communism.

[Nakena]

The United States is not capable of annexing China. You'll just end up sending millions of young Americans into the biggest meatgrinder since Operation Barbarossa.

Fighting communism is always a worthy cause tbh

The bolshevist Beijing clique must be brought down or at the least be contained. Given the current HK situation thats something that deserves more thought.

The Palace will do whatever they can to keep the Queen from being involved in any political controversy. They've made clear recently that they are not happy with MPs' attempts to drag Her Majesty into the debate over a no deal Brexit. If the Queen is forced into making some kind of personal decision, she will likely do so based on the legal advice of constitutional experts rather than her own judgement.

Reason I am asking this because I recall having read somewhere that she supposedly asked Boris Johnson to keep the United Kingdom, well, united. I am not sure if this was a reference to the split public or to Scotland/Wales etc who might breakaway from the Union in the case of the Brexit crisis going from bad to worse.

[Totally Not OEP]

You gave me a dictionary definition after complaining about being asked to do that and have yet to explain how China doesn't meet those qualifications; you've just settled for saying they don't which isn't an explanation.

... Y'know what, if you can't make the logical connection that the Capitalist, authoritarian state of China, with it's many social and economic classes and private ownership of the means of production isn't a stateless, classless, moneyless society in which the means of production are communally owned, then I really can't fucking help you.

The audience will note no argument was made, but instead the request was declined.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

You gave me a dictionary definition after complaining about being asked to do that and have yet to explain how China doesn't meet those qualifications; you've just settled for saying they don't which isn't an explanation.

... Y'know what, if you can't make the logical connection that the Capitalist, authoritarian state of China, with it's many social and economic classes and private ownership of the means of production isn't a stateless, classless, moneyless society in which the means of production are communally owned, then I really can't fucking help you.

You haven’t been enlightened by Xi Jinping Thought. The PRC was True Communism all along.

[Totally Not OEP]

>tfw commies start say Marx, the guy who literally created communism, wasn't a real communist

Marx didn't create Communism, he created his idea of Communism.

The mindfuck continues...

[Washington Resistance Army]

>tfw commies start say Marx, the guy who literally created communism, wasn't a real communist

Marx didn't create Communism, he created his idea of Communism.

communism
[ˈkämyəˌnizəm]

NOUN
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Na

[Nakena]

Marx didn't create Communism, he created his idea of Communism.

The mindfuck continues...

Thats why I call it bolshevism since a while. But we all know what's meant. ^^

[Totally Not OEP]

Marx didn't create Communism, he created his idea of Communism.

communism
[ˈkämyəˌnizəm]

NOUN
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Na

No, let's run with this "idea of Communism" bit because that makes the Anti-CPC claim all the more bizarre and undefendable; if there is no set Communism to serve as baseline, one can't claim China isn't just it's own idea of such.

[Torrocca]

Marx didn't create Communism, he created his idea of Communism.

communism
[ˈkämyəˌnizəm]

NOUN
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Na

Okay, you've given me a dictionary definition of Marx's idea of Communism. Way to go, I guess, proving that Marx had his own idea of what Communism is?

... Y'know what, if you can't make the logical connection that the Capitalist, authoritarian state of China, with it's many social and economic classes and private ownership of the means of production isn't a stateless, classless, moneyless society in which the means of production are communally owned, then I really can't fucking help you.

The audience will note no argument was made, but instead the request was declined.

I'm sure you imagine that you've epicly destroyed me by asking to be handheld through a basic concept.

[Locus Praemonstratus]

When most of objections to Aquinas’ arguments, especially his proofs, don’t actually understand the jargon and flow of his argument, nor the arguments themselves, and are just blatant misinterpretation, I am not confident that many philosophers post-Enlightenment pose any real intellectual threat.

“To be fair, you have to have a fairly high IQ to understand rick and morty Aquinas”
It’s not that hard, he’s just a professional BSer. That’s what theologians do.

I never said he couldn’t be refuted, only that the constant misinterpretation, often deliberate and malicious, Thomas is subjected to is out of disdain felt towards schoolmen that followed him and Christianity. He’s simply just too good for the post-Enlightenment ‘philosopher’. Maybe EO Palamites, pajeets or something like that offer some kind of challenge.
Bro, I’m sure you don’t want call him that while you stan Sartre and probably Nietzsche too.

[Totally Not OEP]

communism
[ˈkämyəˌnizəm]

NOUN
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Na

Okay, you've given me a dictionary definition of Marx's idea of Communism. Way to go, I guess, proving that Marx had his own idea of what Communism is?

The audience will note no argument was made, but instead the request was declined.

I'm sure you imagine that you've epicly destroyed me by asking to be handheld through a basic concept.

The mindfuck continues, but is it from a lack of ability or just knowing when one is bullshitting? The world wonders...

[Nakena]

The question is though, is there even an end to this? Or is it all about the way itself rather?

You’re aware who you’re talking to? In the construction of a State, there can be no concern beyond the material well-being of as many citizens as possible. Order, hierarchy, freedom, ideology and religion, all these things are subject to the tangible. It is not the method that matters, but the end. Yet the method must matter, for it must not destabilize the tangible overmuch.

Yes. Because you said you're nihilist, i thought this may appeal to you.

However you believe in an end. Which might be not nihilist then. More like you sound pragmatic if not utilitarian.

PS: Just as observation, not critique.

[Washington Resistance Army]

communism
[ˈkämyəˌnizəm]

NOUN
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Na

Okay, you've given me a dictionary definition of Marx's idea of Communism. Way to go, I guess, proving that Marx had his own idea of what Communism is?

You've actually reached Esoteric Hitlerist levels of absurd lol, communism isn't some natural force that has always existed. Marx invented it, Marx spoke in favor of transitionary periods, the Communist Party of China is in one such transitionary period, and even if it wasn't and we went with what you'd said then they'd still be equally as communist because it would just be their idea of what the ideology is.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

“To be fair, you have to have a fairly high IQ to understand rick and morty Aquinas”
It’s not that hard, he’s just a professional BSer. That’s what theologians do.

I never said he couldn’t be refuted, only that the constant misinterpretation, often deliberate and malicious, Thomas is subjected to is out of disdain felt towards schoolmen that followed him and Christianity. He’s simply just too good for the post-Enlightenment ‘philosopher’. Maybe EO Palamites, pajeets or something like that offer some kind of challenge.
Bro, I’m sure you don’t want call him that while you stan Sartre and probably Nietzsche too.

“He’s simply too good”
[X]
I stan Seneca and Aurelius, mostly. I like Sartre and Wittgenstein for casual doomer stuff, though.

[Nakena]

communism
[ˈkämyəˌnizəm]

NOUN
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Na

Okay, you've given me a dictionary definition of Marx's idea of Communism. Way to go, I guess, proving that Marx had his own idea of what Communism is?

The audience will note no argument was made, but instead the request was declined.

I'm sure you imagine that you've epicly destroyed me by asking to be handheld through a basic concept.

I think most people here mean bolshevism when they say communism. Or more precisely "Marxism-Leninism". I do not need to explain in detail what that is. So for you the question is why you keep fighting frantically in frenzy here literally, figuratively and otherwise on some hill that is neither yours nor whose inhabitants like you?

Even Marxism itself is a totalitarian worldview even without the leninism. Thats a swamp there, there can be no victory only being devoured by its mess.

EDIT: WRA just did explain why it is one :^)

[Locus Praemonstratus]

I never said he couldn’t be refuted, only that the constant misinterpretation, often deliberate and malicious, Thomas is subjected to is out of disdain felt towards schoolmen that followed him and Christianity. He’s simply just too good for the post-Enlightenment ‘philosopher’. Maybe EO Palamites, pajeets or something like that offer some kind of challenge.
Bro, I’m sure you don’t want call him that while you stan Sartre and probably Nietzsche too.

“He’s simply too good”
[X]
I stan Seneca and Aurelius, mostly. I like Sartre and Wittgenstein for casual doomer stuff, though.

Literally.

You got good Roman philosophers instead of GAYreeks, but Sartre and Wittgenstein, whom I’ve never read, are a miss (and Wittgenstein only because he’s associated with Bertrand Russell this is a joke bro, except with Russell)

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

“He’s simply too good”
[X]
I stan Seneca and Aurelius, mostly. I like Sartre and Wittgenstein for casual doomer stuff, though.

Literally.

You got good Roman philosophers instead of GAYreeks, but Sartre and Wittgenstein, whom I’ve never read, are a miss (and Wittgenstein only because he’s associated with Bertrand Russell this is a joke bro, except with Russell)

Hypothetically, you might have an argument between the orbit of the Earth and Mars.