Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Greater Loegria]

Christianity is not failing because of “Americanism” what ever that is supposed to be.
Christianity did just fine in the US for 200 years.

Christians (in the West at least) need to stop the victimhood game, and start actively trying to sell Christianity as something that appeals to people. Whining about a lack of state support while sitting around doing absolutely nothing to convince people Christianity is good for them, will do absolutely nothing to help Christianity.

American God Squad nuts with their commercialised mega churches, wacko ‘I can speak tongues’ Baptist ministers and the unfettered idiocy of groups like the Westboro Baptist Church have done untold amounts of damage. Old World Christendom gave us exquisite liturgical music, timeless architectural masterpieces, some of the most revered philosophers to have lived and spearheaded some of the most noble moral enterprises undertaken.

The yanks made Veggietales, Chic-fil-A and Mormons. Good fucking job.

[Novus America]

Christianity is not failing because of “Americanism” what ever that is supposed to be.
Christianity did just fine in the US for 200 years.

Christians (in the West at least) need to stop the victimhood game, and start actively trying to sell Christianity as something that appeals to people. Whining about a lack of state support while sitting around doing absolutely nothing to convince people Christianity is good for them, will do absolutely nothing to help Christianity.

American God Squad nuts with their commercialised mega churches, wacko ‘I can speak tongues’ Baptist ministers and the unfettered idiocy of groups like the Westboro Baptist Church have done untold amounts of damage. Old World Christendom gave us exquisite liturgical music, timeless architectural masterpieces, some of the most revered philosophers to have lived and spearheaded some of the most noble moral enterprises undertaken.

The yanks made Veggietales, Chic-fil-A and Mormons. Good fucking job.

Which has to do with what? Your dislike of evangelical Protestant aesthetics does not refute my point in any way.

[Nea Byzantia]

American God Squad nuts with their commercialised mega churches, wacko ‘I can speak tongues’ Baptist ministers and the unfettered idiocy of groups like the Westboro Baptist Church have done untold amounts of damage. Old World Christendom gave us exquisite liturgical music, timeless architectural masterpieces, some of the most revered philosophers to have lived and spearheaded some of the most noble moral enterprises undertaken.

The yanks made Veggietales, Chic-fil-A and Mormons. Good fucking job.

Which has to do with what? Your dislike of evangelical Protestant aesthetics does not refute my point in any way.

Its a pretty good roast, though.

[Novus America]

Christianity is not failing because of “Americanism” what ever that is supposed to be.
Christianity did just fine in the US for 200 years.

Christians (in the West at least) need to stop the victimhood game, and start actively trying to sell Christianity as something that appeals to people. Whining about a lack of state support while sitting around doing absolutely nothing to convince people Christianity is good for them, will do absolutely nothing to help Christianity.

Agreed. The best product sells itself, though, and the best salesman knows that; knows not to to overdo the gimmicks. Cause that won't help anything either.

True. You do not need silly gimmicks to sell something and they might even backfire.
But of course people are unlikely to buy a good product if you suck a marketing it too.

Good marketing does not need gimmicks.

[The South Falls]

Which has to do with what? Your dislike of evangelical Protestant aesthetics does not refute my point in any way.

Its a pretty good roast, though.

6/10 just a tad verbose, but sure.

[Novus America]

Which has to do with what? Your dislike of evangelical Protestant aesthetics does not refute my point in any way.

Its a pretty good roast, though.

I mean it was an okay roast, but it still failed to address my point. Especially as I am not defending Evangelical Protestant Aesthetics in the first place.

[Locus Praemonstratus]

Neither of those things is anti-Christian though, rather just ambivalent.

A state that’s religion is Christian, even now, cannot be anti-Christian.

It is very much anti-Christian if we define it as opposition and/or hostility to Christian religion and doctrine, which is exactly what secularism amounts to.

That is false. Not because it’s necessarily untrue that its state religion is Christian, but because the actions of the country suggest otherwise. A cognitive dissonance.

[Lower Nubia]

No, mental healthcare was not better then as it was today even by US standards. It’s like going to a doctor every week and him giving you a placebo does not make the healthcare better than going once a year and getting effective treatment. Even though the rate of hospital visits is 50 fold greater in the previous example.

The same reason that gun violence in the UK decreased when gun regulations were introduced. Explain the decrease. If current American gun laws are anything to go by, it appears whatever regulation happened in the 60’s was so easy to by pass that it made no effect. Like dropping a stone to stop a tidal wave would be about as effective as not dropping a stone, but in one, positive action was done to deter the incident, compared to the other.

My point isn’t that crime will increase either, but that the severity of the crime will be increased and that the risk of crimes becoming escalated will increase. If concealed carry was introduced in the UK it increases my exposure to Lethal weapons - for nothing.

Improved social policies are better ways of reducing crime than introducing weapons, as you stated. The only other reason for allowing them is self-defence.

Actually it was better. People actually got some treatment instead of being thrown on the street or in prison.
https://fedsoc.org/commentary/publicati ... ion-murder

But the treatment was ineffective. Which means any treatment that was received, did nothing. Like giving water to cure cancer. Even now, treatment exists which is effective, but less available than the 1950’s ineffective alternatives.

Getting dangerously mentally ill people supervisions is less dangerous (and better) than dumping them on the street.

Given that sometimes gun control correlates with an increase in crime, and sometimes a drop in crime one can say gun control is not the best way to fight crime.

Which is why regulation in this manner is a necessity. Even in DIo’s Czech Republic example stringent requirements must be met.

And there are other reasons besides self defense, and even in a pretty safe society self society self defense is legitimate. As especially as the US has dangerous megafauna.

Which is fine, I wouldn’t complain about an Alaskan with a rifle or hand gun. Yet, seeing as the UK’s most dangerous megafauna is a fox, the only other reason is self defence, but the introduction of concealed carry simply increases the presence of the general population with a weapon, which normalises guns in the public sphere, which has far fewer potential positives in comparison to the larger number of other potential negatives.

Simply put, the negatives outweight the positives.

Though I really do not care about what the UK does regarding it, I just would not do it here.

Which I agree with, the US cannot introduce regulation because it would rapidly put the population at a disadvantage. The US needs dramatic social change to produce an effective means for regulatory actions.

[Nea Byzantia]

Its a pretty good roast, though.

I mean it was an okay roast, but it still failed to address my point. Especially as I am not defending Evangelical Protestant Aesthetics in the first place.

Nothing good to defend there.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

So I might be stepping away from NSG, though not NS - girl's gotta practice her terrible writing somewhere, more broadly because my life is presently inundated with toxicity as it stands and I can't deal with stress well unless I have a limitless supply of chocolate and Danielle Steele novels, but I do want to express my gratitude for all y'all and the interesting conversations we've had. I wish all y'all well and I will pray to Jewish G-d to ensure y'all's life and well-being. Shalom for a little while.

Good. Get out while you still can. I believe in you.

[Novus America]

Actually it was better. People actually got some treatment instead of being thrown on the street or in prison.
https://fedsoc.org/commentary/publicati ... ion-murder

But the treatment was ineffective. Which means any treatment that was received, did nothing. Like giving water to cure cancer. Even now, treatment exists which is effective, but less available than the 1950’s ineffective alternatives.

Getting dangerously mentally ill people supervisions is less dangerous (and better) than dumping them on the street.

Given that sometimes gun control correlates with an increase in crime, and sometimes a drop in crime one can say gun control is not the best way to fight crime.

Which is why regulation in this manner is a necessity. Even in DIo’s Czech Republic example stringent requirements must be met.

And there are other reasons besides self defense, and even in a pretty safe society self society self defense is legitimate. As especially as the US has dangerous megafauna.

Which is fine, I wouldn’t complain about an Alaskan with a rifle or hand gun. Yet, seeing as the UK’s most dangerous megafauna is a fox, the only other reason is self defence, but the introduction of concealed carry simply increases the presence of the general population with a weapon, which normalises guns in the public sphere, which has far fewer potential positives in comparison to the larger number of other potential negatives.

Simply put, the negatives outweight the positives.

Though I really do not care about what the UK does regarding it, I just would not do it here.

Which I agree with, the US cannot introduce regulation because it would rapidly put the population at a disadvantage. The US needs dramatic social change to produce an effective means for regulatory actions.

Mental illness can only be treated, not cured. Institutions are necessary for many.
Now I am not saying we trun back the clock to 1960, we can and should build better institutions than they had then.

Clearly are current systems is no effective as nearly all mass shores are on psychotropic drugs.

Yes we need mass changes to social attitudes, mental health and economics but if we made those changes we would not need more gun control.

We could have guns AND lower crime, which is the point.

[Nea Byzantia]

Hey RWDT, what do you think of this movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8IifEu67yU

Does it look interesting? Will it be good? Will it suck? Any prognostications or prophecies?

EDIT: Thought it would be an interesting change of pace from Anglos and Americans beating each other senseless over who's better...

[Washington Resistance Army]

Hey RWDT, what do you think of this movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8IifEu67yU

Does it look interesting? Will it be good? Will it suck? Any prognostications or prophecies?

Hollywood continues to stun with its hypocrisy lol

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Hey RWDT, what do you think of this movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8IifEu67yU

Does it look interesting? Will it be good? Will it suck? Any prognostications or prophecies?

EDIT: Thought it would be an interesting change of pace from Anglos and Americans beating each other senseless over who's better...

It probably is going to suck, but it is satire, nothing more.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

A conversation about British affairs with the average foreigner on the internet, especially Americans, does go a long way towards reinforcing the idea that we are a lot smarter than the rest of the world.

Violent criminals could do a lot more harm with a gun than they do with acid.

Everything was a mistake for America past 1776. Now look at you, completely socially incoherent, a cuisine consisting of cheetos, beef-fed-beef, Mountain Dew and you can’t even make cheese. Or beer. Your skylines are blighted by monstrosities, and the general state of your architecture is appalling. Your main political choices are between corporatist progressives propped up a coastal liberal demographic so insufferable it’s painful and between a Republican Party comprising some of the most talentless philistines I’ve ever seen with a base largely fuelled by a contradictory ideology of social conservatism hand in hand with unfettered capitalism. It’s just a cringe fest best represented by The Young ‘white people are bad’ Turks and Ben ‘Israel should nuke the world if it feels slightly threatened and Amazon has the right to cut off its employees’ heads’ Shapiro.

Wronguns the lot of ‘em.

For the most part, I concur somewhat with your assessment of the current United States (although I'd put the date at around 1990, with the fall of the USSR and our utter bungling of the situation leading to the sorry state of modern international affairs; curses be upon that damnably smug "end of history" mentality); a great reformation of most or all civic and cultural institutions within my country is desperately needed if we're to last past the year 2100.

[Lower Nubia]

But the treatment was ineffective. Which means any treatment that was received, did nothing. Like giving water to cure cancer. Even now, treatment exists which is effective, but less available than the 1950’s ineffective alternatives.



Which is why regulation in this manner is a necessity. Even in DIo’s Czech Republic example stringent requirements must be met.



Which is fine, I wouldn’t complain about an Alaskan with a rifle or hand gun. Yet, seeing as the UK’s most dangerous megafauna is a fox, the only other reason is self defence, but the introduction of concealed carry simply increases the presence of the general population with a weapon, which normalises guns in the public sphere, which has far fewer potential positives in comparison to the larger number of other potential negatives.

Simply put, the negatives outweight the positives.



Which I agree with, the US cannot introduce regulation because it would rapidly put the population at a disadvantage. The US needs dramatic social change to produce an effective means for regulatory actions.

Mental illness can only be treated, not cured. Institutions are necessary for many.
Now I am not saying we trun back the clock to 1960, we can and should build better institutions than they had then.

Clearly are current systems is no effective as nearly all mass shores are on psychotropic drugs.

Yes we need mass changes to social attitudes, mental health and economics but if we made those changes we would not need more gun control.

We could have guns AND lower crime, which is the point.

Of course we can have guns and lower crime, I’m not an advocate for their banning, but there is no way to maintain bare essential regulations while having an effective social change, it’s counter productive and reckless. The current Czech safeguards are exceedingly strict compared to the US, and would ultimately be the most desirable regulations for Americans. But not for the UK the negatives that can occur outweight the positives, the UK is not individualistic, the protections demanded by an individual are not as important as the damage to society that those protections of that individual could cause, and I’m inclined to agree.

[Greater Loegria]

Which has to do with what? Your dislike of evangelical Protestant aesthetics does not refute my point in any way.

Its a pretty good roast, though.

Not so much a roast inasmuch as a few observations. If you want a roast find me in the kitchen on Sunday.

And yes it does address the point: it shows the extent to which feckless ‘shart-in-the-‘mart’ type yanks have denigrated a once great and noble religion. American Christians are some of the most anti intellectual unthinking sheep out there. When people think of Christianity it should be a grand Latin mass with incense in a great cathedral with great roaring hymns. Not long haired years in a mega church strumming and clapping to magic Jesus music.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tbh one of the greatest things we could do is march on Hollywood and burn it all to the ground.

[Nea Byzantia]

Tbh one of the greatest things we could do is march on Hollywood and burn it all to the ground.

And Livestream the whole event, of course. People'll be watching that movie for generations...

[Greater Loegria]

Tbh one of the greatest things we could do is march on Hollywood and burn it all to the ground.

I would pay good money to see this.

[The South Falls]

Hey RWDT, what do you think of this movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8IifEu67yU

Does it look interesting? Will it be good? Will it suck? Any prognostications or prophecies?

EDIT: Thought it would be an interesting change of pace from Anglos and Americans beating each other senseless over who's better...

The comment section is further right than a 359 degree angle

[Nea Byzantia]

Tbh one of the greatest things we could do is march on Hollywood and burn it all to the ground.

I would pay good money to see this.

The March on Tinseltown

[The South Falls]

Tbh one of the greatest things we could do is march on Hollywood and burn it all to the ground.

Area 51 may possess more useful secrets

[Novus America]

Its a pretty good roast, though.

Not so much a roast inasmuch as a few observations. If you want a roast find me in the kitchen on Sunday.

And yes it does address the point: it shows the extent to which feckless ‘shart-in-the-‘mart’ type yanks have denigrated a once great and noble religion. American Christians are some of the most anti intellectual unthinking sheep out there. When people think of Christianity it should be a grand Latin mass with incense in a great cathedral with great roaring hymns. Not long haired years in a mega church strumming and clapping to magic Jesus music.

Evangelical Protestant Aesthetics are not the only Christian Aesthetic in the US.
Christianity is not supposed to be about Aesthetics either. Aesthetics can be good marketing but one size fits all is not a good solution here. More modern style and more traditional style churches can coexist just fine. Whatever aesthetic best gets you converts is the best one to use.

Aesthetics are a means to an end, not the end themselves.

This only proves my point. Christians are failing because they no longer understand marketing.

[Greater Loegria]

Tbh one of the greatest things we could do is march on Hollywood and burn it all to the ground.

Area 51 may possess more useful secrets

That’s a win win scenario. If it succeeds then we find out some juicy secrets, hopefully. If it fails then we’re rid of a good chunk of society’s undesirables.