Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Nea Byzantia]

Britain is going down the tubes; she's lost pretty much all her overseas colonies, now she's struggling just to get her own independence from a Continental Union (something which would make your past great leaders up to Churchill himself, roll in his grave); and Government is inept, and Orwellian. If you see nothing wrong with that, then there's something wrong with you.

EDIT: Did I mention that Scotland might leave? Elizabeth II might be the last Queen of the United Kingdom. What a culmination to her "glorious" reign.

We were talking about whether the UK was going to become like the USSR because of excessive bureaucracy. The fact that you've responded with a general rant about things that you perceive as wrong with the UK and even a pointless dig at Her Majesty who has nothing to do with what we were talking about only confirms that you know your original argument was horseshit, and this is pretty characteristic of the way to respond to losing arguments or being told you're wrong about something. Dealing with you is exasperating and I am sick of it, so from this point on I am going to pointedly ignore you.

And yes, I accept that my country has a lot of problems and I am not optimistic about the future. But I will not put up with this sort of juvenile gloating from you when my country is still more relevant and successful at its lowest point after decades of decline than your homeland has been since 1453.

Nobody said this low-point would be the end of Britain. Maybe it will push Britain to pursue greatness again. You never know. I was just using the USSR as an example of over-the-top bureaucracy; obviously it won't look exactly the same as Soviet Russia; that's retarded.

My "dig at Her Majesty" was just to say that her nearly 70 year long reign, has represented a nadir for the British Empire; Her Majesty is first and foremost a symbol. Her reign, beginning with the Suez Crisis (1956 AD) and continuing with the loss of the African colonies in the 1960s and 70s, and the repatriation of the Canadian Constitution in 82; not to mention the Troubles, which almost brought Britain to its knees; has been troubled, to say the least. Its just been one failure and humiliation after the other. The Falkland War was a success; but a minor one. Looking at everything up to the present, our current Elizabethan Era (not the first one, 1558 - 1603) will be not the most fondly remembered; and historians of the future will not have nice things to say.

I'm sad, that you're closing the door on our rivalry; I quite enjoy our verbal sparring. A shame that it is at an end.

[The New California Republic]

Asserting something is reality without offering one iota of proof certainly makes it less true though.

What’s ‘proof’?

If you make a claim then it's best to have some evidence of it, or else it will be dismissed out of hand, as it has been thus far in the responses to what you said.

[Diopolis]

Wow, really living up to the snobby English stereotype, eh?

A conversation about British affairs with the average foreigner on the internet, especially Americans, does go a long way towards reinforcing the idea that we are a lot smarter than the rest of the world.

And is that why acid attacks are so common these days?

Violent criminals could do a lot more harm with a gun than they do with acid.

Most licensing regimes are specifically designed to exclude violent criminals.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Well, London is borderline a Paki colony and the UK is on the verge of breaking up; so while America's in a bad place, Britain isn't looking that much better. That being said, the UK is still more connected to its traditional culture than the Americans; that and their smaller size, makes them more politically manageable than the gargantuan United States; so the UK will probably weather the storm a lot better than the US.

Oh, I have no faith in this country either really. I just have a strong dislike of America for current and historical reasons.

1776 was a long time ago (243 years ago), so it is kind of pointless to still have hatred over our not-so-recent revolution. Though admittedly, I've heard that some hatred went on for much longer. Particularly amoungst Turks and Greeks getting into flame wars on the internet over the conquest of Constantinople.

Our politics today aren't great, I'll give you that. I'm surprised you found the monstrosity that is TYT.

Oh yes, it was great entertainment watching them meltdown on your election night. As much as I don’t really like trump, watching Cenk slowly go from smug eagerness to looking like someone shat in his handbag to full blown rage still gives me the chortles.

I found it equally amusing.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I find UK gun laws unsatisfactory. Whilst I agree with the level of vetting and checks, I think handguns and automatic weapons ought to be permitted too.

Why? What possible reasons could a civilian need for automatic weapons, let alone handguns?

To wage guerrilla campaigns if need be.

[Nea Byzantia]

A conversation about British affairs with the average foreigner on the internet, especially Americans, does go a long way towards reinforcing the idea that we are a lot smarter than the rest of the world.

Is that why you've been in decline since 1918?

Since 1914, actually. Given that the War seriously dented the Empire's financial and economic stability. Queen Victoria must've been rolling in her grave.

[Genivaria]

I find UK gun laws unsatisfactory. Whilst I agree with the level of vetting and checks, I think handguns and automatic weapons ought to be permitted too.

Why? What possible reasons could a civilian need for automatic weapons, let alone handguns?

The better question is if the buyer has already been vetted and been deemed safe what need is there to restrict what they can buy?

[Nea Byzantia]

Why? What possible reasons could a civilian need for automatic weapons, let alone handguns?

To wage guerrilla campaigns if need be.

Something the Brits know nothing about.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Tell that to your knife crime problem.

Our homicide rate is still 4* times less than your own. While we even have a higher freedom ranking.

*I believe that’s the current rate.

I request a source on that.

[Locus Praemonstratus]

What’s ‘proof’?

If you make a claim then it's best to have some evidence of it, or else it will be dismissed out of hand, as it has been thus far in the responses to what you said.

That really depends on the ‘evidence’, liberals and progressives and atheists have been known to deny it. Sorry, can’t waste too much time.

[Old Tyrannia]

A conversation about British affairs with the average foreigner on the internet, especially Americans, does go a long way towards reinforcing the idea that we are a lot smarter than the rest of the world.

Is that why you've been in decline since 1918?

We've been in relative decline since even before 1918, because as larger countries like the United States, Germany and the Soviet Union caught up with us technologically our industrial base was simply too small to compete with them on equal terms. It has always been quantity, not quality, that we lack.

[Genivaria]

If you make a claim then it's best to have some evidence of it, or else it will be dismissed out of hand, as it has been thus far in the responses to what you said.

That really depends on the ‘evidence’, liberals and progressives and atheists have been known to deny it. Sorry, can’t waste too much time.

This is some smelly bullshit right here.

[Diopolis]

Why? What possible reasons could a civilian need for automatic weapons, let alone handguns?

The better question is if the buyer has already been vetted and been deemed safe what need is there to restrict what they can buy?

I mean, if you shouldn’t have a handgun you probably can’t be trusted with a shotgun either.
Automatic weapons are a bit of a special case in that they take some training to use safely, moreso than other firearms.

[Nea Byzantia]

Is that why you've been in decline since 1918?

We've been in relative decline since even before 1918, because as larger countries like the United States, Germany and the Soviet Union caught up with us technologically our industrial base was simply too small to compete with them on equal terms. It has always been quantity, not quality, that we lack.

The Soviet Union didn't exist pre-1917.

[Genivaria]

Is that why you've been in decline since 1918?

We've been in relative decline since even before 1918, because as larger countries like the United States, Germany and the Soviet Union caught up with us technologically our industrial base was simply too small to compete with them on equal terms. It has always been quantity, not quality, that we lack.

Shame that the British didn't develop and industrialize India more.
SO. MANY. FACTORY WORKERS.

[Salus Maior]

To wage guerrilla campaigns if need be.

Something the Brits know nothing about.

You're really aggressive with the pointless digs, aren't you?

You realize that Britain has won several guerrilla wars in its history?

[Nea Byzantia]

Something the Brits know nothing about.

You're really aggressive with the pointless digs, aren't you?

You realize that Britain has won several guerrilla wars in its history?

Such as?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Why? What possible reasons could a civilian need for automatic weapons, let alone handguns?

To wage guerrilla campaigns if need be.

Of which I highly doubt Britain will be descending into anytime soon.

[The New California Republic]

Most licensing regimes are specifically designed to exclude violent criminals.

Given that the licensing office kept losing my application, their competence doesn't fill me with much confidence.

To wage guerrilla campaigns if need be.

Something the Brits know nothing about.

We certainly know how to counter them though. See The Briggs Plan in Malaya.

If you make a claim then it's best to have some evidence of it, or else it will be dismissed out of hand, as it has been thus far in the responses to what you said.

That really depends on the ‘evidence’, liberals and progressives and atheists have been known to deny it. Sorry, can’t waste too much time.

A roundabout bullshit way to say you don't have any, alright.

[Locus Praemonstratus]

That really depends on the ‘evidence’, liberals and progressives and atheists have been known to deny it. Sorry, can’t waste too much time.

This is some smelly bullshit right here.

I think the smell is coming from you, Genivaria.

(I’m not applauding, I’m swiping away the smell)

[LiberNovusAmericae]

If you make a claim then it's best to have some evidence of it, or else it will be dismissed out of hand, as it has been thus far in the responses to what you said.

That really depends on the ‘evidence’, liberals and progressives and atheists have been known to deny it. Sorry, can’t waste too much time.

Probably because the evidence that "proves" the existence of god is shaky at best. I don't support hate speech laws, but their existence doesn't prove that Britain is anti-Christian. If they treat Christians more harshly than Muslims, and you can prove that, then you'd have a point.

[Salus Maior]

Shame that the British didn't develop and industrialize India more.
SO. MANY. FACTORY WORKERS.

Keeping India was never in the cards. At least, not as anything more as a minority ruled colonial state.

If Britain tried to incorporate them into the British government, they would have taken over because their population would eclipse pretty much the rest of the Empire.

[Salus Maior]

doublepost

[Novus America]

We have to agree to disagree.

America still rocks.

That ‘rock’ music is a thing and that that phrase is used in parlance vindicates my point wholly.

Rock music is the height of music.

But seriously you are only right about our current politics, which is indeed toxic.

The rest of your complaints are purely subjective and garbage.

[The New California Republic]

This is some smelly bullshit right here.

I think the smell is coming from you, Genivaria.

(I’m not applauding, I’m swiping away the smell)

A truly pathetic NO U if ever I have seen one.