Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Lower Nubia]

The English civilisation has evolved to a stage where we realise effective police funding, education and social policy has a more effective result on crime than giving apes fire power.

Wow, really living up to the snobby English stereotype, eh?

And is that why acid attacks are so common these days?

No. I just can’t be dealing with American bullshit.

Besides... the Tiger is as equally evolved as we are, that doesn’t mean I’d imitate the culinary standards.

[Old Tyrannia]

The English civilisation has evolved to a stage where we realise effective police funding, education and social policy has a more effective result on crime than giving apes fire power.

Wow, really living up to the snobby English stereotype, eh?

A conversation about British affairs with the average foreigner on the internet, especially Americans, does go a long way towards reinforcing the idea that we are a lot smarter than the rest of the world.

And is that why acid attacks are so common these days?

Violent criminals could do a lot more harm with a gun than they do with acid.

[Greater Loegria]

Owning a weapon for self defence purposes in case of home intrusion is one as is if you are a farmer or smallholder against preying animals. Recreational shooting is done with rifles and shotguns -why not handguns? The only difference is that handguns are concealable. Handguns are fairly available in this country anyway should one really want to get hold of it.

I assume you are in the services?

No handguns. Just remove the idea from your mind - no one wins by having more of them. It’s like wanting land mines - yes it would stop a lot of people form getting on your property. But gardens laced with land mines is excessive. The UK has less crime and homicide than the US, the statistics speak for themselves.

Having additional firepower and weapons simply creates an arms race between the perpetrator and the victim. If you’re robbing an American house, it would be stupid not to take a firearm. As a lot of American households have firearms. In the UK that weapon is at most likely going to be a knife. Escalation of a conflict produces more bloodshed, that’s like rule 101 of conflict resolution.

It’s why paradoxically I’m not in favour of banning unregulated gun use in the US, because it would put the populace at a disadvantage but that’s only because gun’s in the are so utterly saturated for the US and would be managed so nonchalantly and poorly.

Which is why Xeno’s point is a self fulfilling prophecy. In cities, most American households do not have weapons, which means having a gun is a genuine deterrent. But that’s only because getting a firearm is so easy elsewhere in the country. The best deterrent is a culture which sees these things as non-essential and dangerous - nut by saturating that culture in their existence.

No I’m not. They’re purely recreational.

No the argument is that, apart from the concealable nature of handguns, if we’re still allowed shotguns and rifles what difference does it make? More people out in the country have firearms than your average London or town suburb dweller might think -I frequently meet people, particularly at uni who think gun ownership is illegal here completely. Not to mention gangs in this country have easy access to firearms anyway, particularly handguns. It will nearly always be the case that the overwhelming majority of license holding firearms-holding citizens will do nothing other with such weapons than to use them on the farm/hunting/recreational shooting or Lord forbid to defend hearth and home -even though courts have found that to be ‘illegal’. Whilst those who would wish to harm society will probably acquire them illegally anyway.

[Lower Nubia]

The English civilisation has evolved to a stage where we realise effective police funding, education and social policy has a more effective result on crime than giving apes fire power.

You’re still giving apes firepower, pommie, just to a preferred overzealous bunch that arrest preachers lol

Seeing as I’ve preached on the streets on my county, i’m going to ask if you understand between hate speech and free speech. One is allowed. The other is not.

I prefer freedom from racism, not for it.

[Locus Praemonstratus]

You’re still giving apes firepower, pommie, just to a preferred overzealous bunch that arrest preachers lol

Seeing as I’ve preached on the streets on my county, i’m going to ask if you understand between hate speech and free speech. One is allowed. The other is not.

I prefer freedom from racism, not for it.

Why don’t you admit that your country is antichristian?

I thought POC couldn’t be racist?

[The New California Republic]

Why don’t you admit that your country is antichristian?

It isn't.

[Greater Loegria]

Wow, really living up to the snobby English stereotype, eh?

A conversation about British affairs with the average foreigner on the internet, especially Americans, does go a long way towards reinforcing the idea that we are a lot smarter than the rest of the world.

And is that why acid attacks are so common these days?

Violent criminals could do a lot more harm with a gun than they do with acid.

Everything was a mistake for America past 1776. Now look at you, completely socially incoherent, a cuisine consisting of cheetos, beef-fed-beef, Mountain Dew and you can’t even make cheese. Or beer. Your skylines are blighted by monstrosities, and the general state of your architecture is appalling. Your main political choices are between corporatist progressives propped up a coastal liberal demographic so insufferable it’s painful and between a Republican Party comprising some of the most talentless philistines I’ve ever seen with a base largely fuelled by a contradictory ideology of social conservatism hand in hand with unfettered capitalism. It’s just a cringe fest best represented by The Young ‘white people are bad’ Turks and Ben ‘Israel should nuke the world if it feels slightly threatened and Amazon has the right to cut off its employees’ heads’ Shapiro.

Wronguns the lot of ‘em.

[Locus Praemonstratus]

Why don’t you admit that your country is antichristian?

It isn't.

Is it really though?

[Greater Loegria]

It isn't.

Is it really though?

It’s far more nuanced than that. Britain has undergone passive and active secularisation since WW1 but Christianity is fairly entrenched culturally and within our statecraft. Our monarch must be a Protestant, is the head of the Church of England and is anointed by God. Supposedly.

[Nea Byzantia]

A conversation about British affairs with the average foreigner on the internet, especially Americans, does go a long way towards reinforcing the idea that we are a lot smarter than the rest of the world.

Violent criminals could do a lot more harm with a gun than they do with acid.

Everything was a mistake for America past 1776. Now look at you, completely socially incoherent, a cuisine consisting of cheetos, beef-fed-beef, Mountain Dew and you can’t even make cheese. Or beer. Your skylines are blighted by monstrosities, and the general state of your architecture is appalling. Your main political choices are between corporatist progressives propped up a coastal liberal demographic so insufferable it’s painful and between a Republican Party comprising some of the most talentless philistines I’ve ever seen with a base largely fuelled by a contradictory ideology of social conservatism hand in hand with unfettered capitalism. It’s just a cringe fest best represented by The Young ‘white people are bad’ Turks and Ben ‘Israel should nuke the world if it feels slightly threatened and Amazon has the right to cut off its employees’ heads’ Shapiro.

Wronguns the lot of ‘em.

Well, London is borderline a Paki colony and the UK is on the verge of breaking up; so while America's in a bad place, Britain isn't looking that much better. That being said, the UK is still more connected to its traditional culture than the Americans; that and their smaller size, makes them more politically manageable than the gargantuan United States; so the UK will probably weather the storm a lot better than the US.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

A conversation about British affairs with the average foreigner on the internet, especially Americans, does go a long way towards reinforcing the idea that we are a lot smarter than the rest of the world.

Violent criminals could do a lot more harm with a gun than they do with acid.

Everything was a mistake for America past 1776. Now look at you, completely socially incoherent, a cuisine consisting of cheetos, beef-fed-beef, Mountain Dew and you can’t even make cheese. Or beer. Your skylines are blighted by monstrosities, and the general state of your architecture is appalling. Your main political choices are between corporatist progressives propped up a coastal liberal demographic so insufferable it’s painful and between a Republican Party comprising some of the most talentless philistines I’ve ever seen with a base largely fuelled by a contradictory ideology of social conservatism hand in hand with unfettered capitalism. It’s just a cringe fest best represented by The Young ‘white people are bad’ Turks and Ben ‘Israel should nuke the world if it feels slightly threatened and Amazon has the right to cut off its employees’ heads’ Shapiro.

Wronguns the lot of ‘em.

Our politics today aren't great, I'll give you that. I'm surprised you found the monstrosity that is TYT.

[The New California Republic]

It isn't.

Is it really though?

[Greater Loegria]

Everything was a mistake for America past 1776. Now look at you, completely socially incoherent, a cuisine consisting of cheetos, beef-fed-beef, Mountain Dew and you can’t even make cheese. Or beer. Your skylines are blighted by monstrosities, and the general state of your architecture is appalling. Your main political choices are between corporatist progressives propped up a coastal liberal demographic so insufferable it’s painful and between a Republican Party comprising some of the most talentless philistines I’ve ever seen with a base largely fuelled by a contradictory ideology of social conservatism hand in hand with unfettered capitalism. It’s just a cringe fest best represented by The Young ‘white people are bad’ Turks and Ben ‘Israel should nuke the world if it feels slightly threatened and Amazon has the right to cut off its employees’ heads’ Shapiro.

Wronguns the lot of ‘em.

Well, London is borderline a Paki colony and the UK is on the verge of breaking up; so while America's in a bad place, Britain isn't looking that much better. That being said, the UK is still more connected to its traditional culture than the Americans; that and their smaller size, makes them more politically manageable than the gargantuan United States; so the UK will probably weather the storm a lot better than the US.

Oh, I have no faith in this country either really. I just have a strong dislike of America for current and historical reasons.

[Nea Byzantia]

Well, London is borderline a Paki colony and the UK is on the verge of breaking up; so while America's in a bad place, Britain isn't looking that much better. That being said, the UK is still more connected to its traditional culture than the Americans; that and their smaller size, makes them more politically manageable than the gargantuan United States; so the UK will probably weather the storm a lot better than the US.

Oh, I have no faith in this country either really. I just have a strong dislike of America for current and historical reasons.

Not surprising.

[Old Tyrannia]

If you weren't one of the most consistently incorrect people I know, that would probably worry me.

Britain is going down the tubes; she's lost pretty much all her overseas colonies, now she's struggling just to get her own independence from a Continental Union (something which would make your past great leaders up to Churchill himself, roll in his grave); and Government is inept, and Orwellian. If you see nothing wrong with that, then there's something wrong with you.

EDIT: Did I mention that Scotland might leave? Elizabeth II might be the last Queen of the United Kingdom. What a culmination to her "glorious" reign.

We were talking about whether the UK was going to become like the USSR because of excessive bureaucracy. The fact that you've responded with a general rant about things that you perceive as wrong with the UK and even a pointless dig at Her Majesty who has nothing to do with what we were talking about only confirms that you know your original argument was horseshit, and this is pretty characteristic of the way to respond to losing arguments or being told you're wrong about something. Dealing with you is exasperating and I am sick of it, so from this point on I am going to pointedly ignore you.

And yes, I accept that my country has a lot of problems and I am not optimistic about the future. But I will not put up with this sort of juvenile gloating from you when my country is still more relevant and successful at its lowest point after decades of decline than your homeland has been since 1453.

[The South Falls]

It isn't.

Is it really though?

It isn't. And posting memes won't make it so.

[Neko-koku]

A conversation about British affairs with the average foreigner on the internet, especially Americans, does go a long way towards reinforcing the idea that we are a lot smarter than the rest of the world.

Violent criminals could do a lot more harm with a gun than they do with acid.

Everything was a mistake for America past 1776. Now look at you, completely socially incoherent, a cuisine consisting of cheetos, beef-fed-beef, Mountain Dew and you can’t even make cheese. Or beer. Your skylines are blighted by monstrosities, and the general state of your architecture is appalling. Your main political choices are between corporatist progressives propped up a coastal liberal demographic so insufferable it’s painful and between a Republican Party comprising some of the most talentless philistines I’ve ever seen with a base largely fuelled by a contradictory ideology of social conservatism hand in hand with unfettered capitalism. It’s just a cringe fest best represented by The Young ‘white people are bad’ Turks and Ben ‘Israel should nuke the world if it feels slightly threatened and Amazon has the right to cut off its employees’ heads’ Shapiro.

Wronguns the lot of ‘em.

We have to agree to disagree.

America still rocks.

[Greater Loegria]

Everything was a mistake for America past 1776. Now look at you, completely socially incoherent, a cuisine consisting of cheetos, beef-fed-beef, Mountain Dew and you can’t even make cheese. Or beer. Your skylines are blighted by monstrosities, and the general state of your architecture is appalling. Your main political choices are between corporatist progressives propped up a coastal liberal demographic so insufferable it’s painful and between a Republican Party comprising some of the most talentless philistines I’ve ever seen with a base largely fuelled by a contradictory ideology of social conservatism hand in hand with unfettered capitalism. It’s just a cringe fest best represented by The Young ‘white people are bad’ Turks and Ben ‘Israel should nuke the world if it feels slightly threatened and Amazon has the right to cut off its employees’ heads’ Shapiro.

Wronguns the lot of ‘em.

Our politics today aren't great, I'll give you that. I'm surprised you found the monstrosity that is TYT.

Oh yes, it was great entertainment watching them meltdown on your election night. As much as I don’t really like trump, watching Cenk slowly go from smug eagerness to looking like someone shat in his handbag to full blown rage still gives me the chortles.

[Greater Loegria]

Everything was a mistake for America past 1776. Now look at you, completely socially incoherent, a cuisine consisting of cheetos, beef-fed-beef, Mountain Dew and you can’t even make cheese. Or beer. Your skylines are blighted by monstrosities, and the general state of your architecture is appalling. Your main political choices are between corporatist progressives propped up a coastal liberal demographic so insufferable it’s painful and between a Republican Party comprising some of the most talentless philistines I’ve ever seen with a base largely fuelled by a contradictory ideology of social conservatism hand in hand with unfettered capitalism. It’s just a cringe fest best represented by The Young ‘white people are bad’ Turks and Ben ‘Israel should nuke the world if it feels slightly threatened and Amazon has the right to cut off its employees’ heads’ Shapiro.

Wronguns the lot of ‘em.

We have to agree to disagree.

America still rocks.

That ‘rock’ music is a thing and that that phrase is used in parlance vindicates my point wholly.

[Locus Praemonstratus]

Is it really though?
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It’s far more nuanced than that. Britain has undergone passive and active secularisation since WW1 but Christianity is fairly entrenched culturally and within our statecraft. Our monarch must be a Protestant, is the head of the Church of England and is anointed by God. Supposedly.

I acknowledge the nuances, but I don’t think it is hard to see past Her Majesty and Britain’s Christian institutions into British sentiment, which is antichristian, an undercurrent present in the British intelligentsia and middle-class, so on and on. Not unlike Australia, it’s very passive agressive but vicious.

[Locus Praemonstratus]

Is it really though?

It isn't. And posting memes won't make it so.

Denying reality doesn’t make it any less true lmao

[The New California Republic]

Denying reality doesn’t make it any less true lmao

Asserting something is reality without offering one iota of proof certainly makes it less true though.

[Locus Praemonstratus]

Denying reality doesn’t make it any less true lmao

Asserting something is reality without offering one iota of proof certainly makes it less true though.

What’s ‘proof’?

[Diopolis]

Tell that to your knife crime problem.

Our homicide rate is still 4* times less than your own. While we even have a higher freedom ranking.

*I believe that’s the current rate.

Considering our respective income inequality levels, I wouldn’t be so quick to point the blame at guns.

[Salus Maior]

A conversation about British affairs with the average foreigner on the internet, especially Americans, does go a long way towards reinforcing the idea that we are a lot smarter than the rest of the world.

Is that why you've been in decline since 1918?