Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Salus Maior]

I think us Christians are rather sensitive to this. I can't count the number of times atheists and anti-theists suddenly pretend caring about Jesus and his teachings to accuse Christians of not being good enough Christians.

They are just pointing out hypocrisies of the bible and how many Christians have beliefs that go against it. People get annoyed by hypocrisy and rightfully so.

My beliefs don't contradict the Bible, as far as Christian doctrine is concerned.

[Salus Maior]

Well, as far as change is concerned I came here a low-church devout Protestant and now I'm a Trad-Catholic so there you go.

Funnily enough though, always been a Monarchist.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Well, as far as change is concerned I came here a low-church devout Protestant and now I'm a Trad-Catholic so there you go.

Funnily enough though, always been a Monarchist.

Huh, that's quite a change. Any particular reason you left Protestantism for the Church?

[Nakena]

I haven't really changed in the recent years.

I almost got brainwashed into Fascism at one point though, but that didn cling and I've learned through it that it is not going to be my ideology. Was a really bad corner to be.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Yes you do. You also need a government to prevent dangerous levels of material inequality, protect the state from outside forces, regulate trad to prevent predatory practices, protect the environment...

The problem is Libertarianism completely fails on defense, trade, optimum inequality, environmental protection and many other things. It only can effectively work on social policy and some (not all) economic ones.

Thus it has aspects a syncretist could use, but as a general ideology it fails in many areas.

That's true, you do need a little bit of regulation, a little bit of a defense force, a little bit of tarrifs, a little bit of environmental protection. But, you can still air toward minimizing those things without completely abolishing them.

This is not the thread to debate Christianity except as it directly pertains to the right wing.

The way I see it, "right-wing" is so general, we should be able to discuss any politics here.

I don't understand the insistence of non-Christians demanding Christians abandon the Old Testament. Why must we abandon an integral part of the Bible which tells the story of the Israelites and the early origins of Christianity?

Ironically, when I was Christian, I thought "hmm, can't we just chuck the Old Testament? Kind of like how Jews chuck the New Testament?"

The crime of rape should be punishable by death.

What about when a woman rapes a man?

Did anyone here recently put me on their foe list?

I don't know, but anyone who would is probably a very unreasonable person. Heck, I'll put you on my friends list if you want.

Hey, I started out as a typical Spanish Center-Leftist. Plus, I dropped the Catalan Separatism. I’d say that’s a change.

God, imagine you centre-left. With me, I started out on NS as a right-wing libertarian, quite naive and idealistic. Now I'm a centrist liberal/libertarian who's still quite naive and idealistic. I haven't changed much I guess. Maybe I should change more.

I don’t think I’d have liked you if I knew you in the past.

Heh. Me and Jolthig have this copypasta of back when he was more extreme and he said "Geniavaria, you are not welcome here."

How have I changed during the time I've been here, in your view?

To me, it seems you've shifted slightly to the left, and become a bit more moderate of a libertarian. Kind of like me, I guess.

[Kowani]

I haven't really changed in the recent years.

I almost got brainwashed into Fascism at one point though, but that didn cling and I've learned through it that it is not going to be my ideology. Was a really bad corner to be.

Well, it’s good to hear that that didn’t happen.

Yes you do. You also need a government to prevent dangerous levels of material inequality, protect the state from outside forces, regulate trad to prevent predatory practices, protect the environment...

The problem is Libertarianism completely fails on defense, trade, optimum inequality, environmental protection and many other things. It only can effectively work on social policy and some (not all) economic ones.

Thus it has aspects a syncretist could use, but as a general ideology it fails in many areas.

That's true, you do need a little bit of regulation, a little bit of a defense force, a little bit of tarrifs, a little bit of environmental protection. But, you can still air toward minimizing those things without completely abolishing them.

Minimize? What are you, neoliberal?

Hey, I started out as a typical Spanish Center-Leftist. Plus, I dropped the Catalan Separatism. I’d say that’s a change.

God, imagine you centre-left. With me, I started out on NS as a right-wing libertarian, quite naive and idealistic. Now I'm a centrist liberal/libertarian who's still quite naive and idealistic. [/quote] I see… Change happens, regardless of what we do.

I haven't changed much I guess. Maybe I should change more.

I’m trying. I don’t think it’s working.

[Dumb Ideologies]

When I first joined the site I was one of those progressive libertarian socialist types. University helped me see some of the limits and inconsistencies of that at a very personal level, then I drifted towards third-way pseudo-communitarianism before realising it was all nice-sounding words and spin, empty in the middle. Drifted towards the far-right for a bit out of disillusionment, then realised I was much more of a cultural nationalist than a racial one, that most of them weren't being entirely sincere in their economic views, and I wasn't comfortable with some of the genocidal dogwhistlery. The Brexit debate and conversations on green issues have also led to me being more sympathetic to a limited degree of regionalism as a counterbalance to the destructive forces of globalisation, even if the EU as it is looks like more of an obstacle than a help against it. Nowadays I'm basically over here in left-corporatist mid-authoritarian land, nationalist but recognising the need for a bit of both regionalism and localism, and leaning slightly conservative in cultural issues.

My political story is fifty shades of idiot, and for the moment the shade I've settled on is "irrelevant fossil".

[Kowani]

When I first joined the site I was one of those progressive libertarian socialist types. University helped me see some of the limits and inconsistencies of that at a very personal level, then I drifted towards third-way pseudo-communitarianism before realising it was all nice-sounding words and spin, empty in the middle. Drifted towards the far-right for a bit out of disillusionment, then realised I was much more of a cultural nationalist than a racial one, that most of them weren't being entirely sincere in their economic views, and I wasn't comfortable with some of the genocidal dogwhistlery. The Brexit debate and conversations on green issues have also led to me being more sympathetic to a limited degree of regionalism as a counterbalance to the destructive forces of globalisation, even if the EU as it is looks like more of an obstacle than a help against it. Nowadays I'm basically over here in left-corporatist mid-authoritarian land, nationalist but recognising the need for a bit of both regionalism and localism, and leaning slightly conservative in cultural issues.

My political story is fifty shades of idiot, and for the moment the shade I've settled on is "irrelevant fossil".

…That’s a labyrinth of ideologies.

Your name speaks the truth!

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Minimize? What are you, neoliberal?

Wait. Am I? Oh god! *existential crisis ensues*

I see… Change happens, regardless of what we do.

Indeed. But, some things never change.

I’m trying. I don’t think it’s working.

I think it's working in the opposite direction, I think I'm beginning to melt away the cold heart of your authoritarianism.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

When I first joined the site I was one of those progressive libertarian socialist types. University helped me see some of the limits and inconsistencies of that at a very personal level, then I drifted towards third-way pseudo-communitarianism before realising it was all nice-sounding words and spin, empty in the middle. Drifted towards the far-right for a bit out of disillusionment, then realised I was much more of a cultural nationalist than a racial one, that most of them weren't being entirely sincere in their economic views, and I wasn't comfortable with some of the genocidal dogwhistlery. The Brexit debate and conversations on green issues have also led to me being more sympathetic to a limited degree of regionalism as a counterbalance to the destructive forces of globalisation, even if the EU as it is looks like more of an obstacle than a help against it. Nowadays I'm basically over here in left-corporatist mid-authoritarian land, nationalist but recognising the need for a bit of both regionalism and localism, and leaning slightly conservative in cultural issues.

My political story is fifty shades of idiot, and for the moment the shade I've settled on is "irrelevant fossil".

Fifty shades of idiot? Fifty dumb ideologies to adopt before you die.

I can't stop myself.

[Kowani]

Minimize? What are you, neoliberal?

Wait. Am I? Oh god! *existential crisis ensues*

Neoliberalism is what happens when your social critique doesn’t include economics.

I see… Change happens, regardless of what we do.

Indeed. But, some things never change.

Perhaps they do not. Answer me this-what has not changed, beyond the base physical needs of humanity?

I’m trying. I don’t think it’s working.

I think it's working in the opposite direction, I think I'm beginning to melt away the cold heart of your authoritarianism.

Lies and slander.

[Dumb Ideologies]

When I first joined the site I was one of those progressive libertarian socialist types. University helped me see some of the limits and inconsistencies of that at a very personal level, then I drifted towards third-way pseudo-communitarianism before realising it was all nice-sounding words and spin, empty in the middle. Drifted towards the far-right for a bit out of disillusionment, then realised I was much more of a cultural nationalist than a racial one, that most of them weren't being entirely sincere in their economic views, and I wasn't comfortable with some of the genocidal dogwhistlery. The Brexit debate and conversations on green issues have also led to me being more sympathetic to a limited degree of regionalism as a counterbalance to the destructive forces of globalisation, even if the EU as it is looks like more of an obstacle than a help against it. Nowadays I'm basically over here in left-corporatist mid-authoritarian land, nationalist but recognising the need for a bit of both regionalism and localism, and leaning slightly conservative in cultural issues.

My political story is fifty shades of idiot, and for the moment the shade I've settled on is "irrelevant fossil".

Fifty shades of idiot? Fifty dumb ideologies to adopt before you die.

I can't stop myself.

Of course not, my dear slow-clap... whoops I mean ancap.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Neoliberalism is what happens when your social critique doesn’t include economics.

That kind of makes sense because I don't know much about economics. Dear god, am I a neoliberal?

Perhaps they do not. Answer me this-what has not changed, beyond the base physical needs of humanity?

I think you need to zoom in a little there. I'm not talking about on a cosmic scale.

Lies and slander.

You can deny it all you want.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Fifty shades of idiot? Fifty dumb ideologies to adopt before you die.

I can't stop myself.

Of course not, my dear slow-clap... whoops I mean ancap.

Well now who's tryharding?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Of course not, my dear slow-clap... whoops I mean ancap.

Well now who's tryharding?

It's NSG, it'd be easier to give you the list of who isn't

[Kowani]

Neoliberalism is what happens when your social critique doesn’t include economics.

That kind of makes sense because I don't know much about economics. Dear god, am I a neoliberal?

I don’t think so. You’re too libertarian.

Perhaps they do not. Answer me this-what has not changed, beyond the base physical needs of humanity?

I think you need to zoom in a little there. I'm not talking about on a cosmic scale.

Then zoom in we shall! What of humanity has not changed?

You can deny it all you want.

Hush.

[Nakena]

I haven't really changed in the recent years.

I almost got brainwashed into Fascism at one point though, but that didn cling and I've learned through it that it is not going to be my ideology. Was a really bad corner to be.

Well, it’s good to hear that that didn’t happen.

Its a depressing, sad and generally awful worldview.

Nothing good or positive can come out of it, and thats intrinsic.

[Kowani]

Well, it’s good to hear that that didn’t happen.

Its a depressing, sad and generally awful worldview.

Yep.

Nothing good or positive can come out of it, and thats intrinsic.

You sound…melancholic. You doing alright?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I don’t think so. You’re too libertarian.

What's the difference?

Then zoom in we shall! What of humanity has not changed?

Zoom in further!

Hush.

Very well. Very well indeed.

[Kowani]

I don’t think so. You’re too libertarian.

What's the difference?

One pays lip service to freedom, the other to equality. I’ll let you figure out which is which.

Then zoom in we shall! What of humanity has not changed?

Zoom in further!

Very well then! What of Xeno has not changed?

Hush.

Very well. Very well indeed.

That’s better.

[Nakena]

Its a depressing, sad and generally awful worldview.

Yep.

Nothing good or positive can come out of it, and thats intrinsic.

You sound…melancholic. You doing alright?

I have my melancholic moments sometimes.

[Kowani]

Yep.

You sound…melancholic. You doing alright?

I have my melancholic moments sometimes.

It is alright, my friend.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

One pays lip service to freedom, the other to equality. I’ll let you figure out which is which.

But I do both. What am I?

Very well then! What of Xeno has not changed?

I'm still alive, I'm still white, I'm still anti-authoritarian (might've had a tiny lil' authoritarian streak back when I was 12 tho).

[Kowani]

One pays lip service to freedom, the other to equality. I’ll let you figure out which is which.

But I do both. What am I?

You are Xeno. What that entails is up to you.

Very well then! What of Xeno has not changed?

I'm still alive,

Thankfully.

I'm still white,

What is it, to be white?

I'm still anti-authoritarian

Shame.

(might've had a tiny lil' authoritarian streak back when I was 12 tho).

Oh?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Haven’t been here long enough to see you change, sorry.


How d’ya’ think I feel?

We're both on a personal journey and mature as we get older.

We never mature. Like old pipes, we just get drier and more brittle.