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Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:51 pm**

Ancapto wrote:
Crysuko wrote:I see. Now provide an answer that isn't pure ideology.

A answer to what though?
Ancapto wrote:

What is the point in having a small government? Also what industries should be nationalized?

You haven't said anything about what the society would look like or how it would work beyond vague ideological naivety

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:52 pm**

Ancapto wrote:
Ancapto wrote:

What is the point in having a small government? Also what industries should be nationalized?

Maybe not industries per se, but I would nationalize YouTube and Twitter.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:53 pm**

Ancapto wrote:
Crysuko wrote:I see. Now provide an answer that isn't pure ideology.

A answer to what though?
Ancapto wrote:

What is the point in having a small government? Also what industries should be nationalized?

I don't know what he thinks but it is kind of obvious.

Finance, Pharma, Natural Resources, parts of agriculture, parts of manufacture, parts of construction, parts of energy production, parts of media production. And to ensure Universal Healthcare with parts of that sector as well. Then end all cash-based welfare and create/subsidize staple goods of basic consumption, simple food items, simple housing, access to infrastructure (communications and transport) for people who are "unemployable" but can become National Volunteers (modern serfs) in order to not let a Boom-Bust-cycle crash the economy.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:58 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:Start putting money away as early as possible and live within your means - those are the two simplest rules to securing financial freedom, and arguably the most difficult to master.

And to think we don't even teach that at school.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:29 pm**

Salus Maior wrote:
Duvniask wrote:
It's not something you practice, but this is your scripture. If this is the correct telling of events, it means your God is genocidal. In any case, whether is accurate or not, it means the Bible contains multiple instances of God being explicitly portrayed as calling for genocide. If you don't understand why this sets a dangerous precedent for your faith, then there's no reason to take you seriously.

Oh, I haven't been taking you very seriously for a while so feel free to do whatever you want.

You clearly know very little about our religion aside from what /r/Atheism posts, and now you're telling us what we're going to become in the future? Oh come off it.

The nature of the Old Covenant was different than the New Covenant that has been established by Christ which is defined by the Gospels, the rest of the New Testament, and the tradition of the Church. We're defined by the teachings of Christ, and live according to the morality He taught. And there's not really room for genocide in that so don't worry your little head.

*looms ominously* Try being a little civil, why don't you?

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:47 pm**

Ancapto wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Well we do not live in an anarcho-capitalist society.

Ik but we should. Imagine a world with no regulations on the market and no government. It would be great! True freedom, no taxes, no government.

I think I just burst a lung from laughter.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:35 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Ancapto wrote:Ik but we should. Imagine a world with no regulations on the market and no government. It would be great! True freedom, no taxes, no government.

I think I just burst a lung from laughter.

What are laws? What are crimes? What is society? Never heard of such foolish concepts in my entire life.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:53 pm**

Duvniask wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Oh, come on. The Old Testament is not nearly that bloody.

These excerpts are from Chapter 10 of the Book of Joshua alone:

10:10
"And the Lord discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Bethhoron, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah."

10:19-10:20
"And stay ye not, but pursue after your enemies, and smite the hindmost of them; suffer them not to enter into their cities: for the Lord your God hath delivered them into your hand. And it came to pass, when Joshua and the children of Israel had made an end of slaying them with a very great slaughter, till they were consumed, that the rest which remained of them entered into fenced cities."

10:28
"And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho."

In fact, the phrase "smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain" get repeated several times from hereon out, describing the fall of several cities in the same manner: massacre.

In summary:

10:40
"So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded."

But the Old Testament is not that bloody, ok.

There is a lot of violence in the Bible, sure, but you have to remember that at the same time that God calls for the Israelites to fight, He also calls in the New Testament for all people to embrace mercy and truth. In Galatians St. Paul mentions that under God, Gentile and Jew do not exist as distinctions. All people are the same and equal under God. So why then does God order the Israelites to fight in the OT, while acknowledging the equality and humanity of all people in the NT? Because He had to establish His kingdom to bring true freedom to ALL nations.

Many nations the Israelites defied worshipped rather horrid gods, such as Moloch and the Mesopotamian pantheons. At one point in the Bible, Israel is overtaken by a king (I forget his name) who sacrifices his own firstborn child to Moloch. A baby. He throws him into a fire. This sort of crime is what made God angry against those who worshipped false gods. But He also spent a lot of time having to correct the Israelites, if you remember. He allowed them to wander in the desert for 40 years. He allowed them to be taken by Egypt in the first place, and by Babylon, among others. So both the foreign powers that worshipped false gods and the Israelites who continually strayed, worshipped false gods, and blasphemed needed to come back to God. Everyone’s salvation came when God allowed Himself to suffer the most terrible violent act of all, crucifixion.

Ultimately a lot of the forceful language of the Bible is to drive home the fact that God is the creator who has power over everything, and while He has wrath and holds unlimited power, He wants nothing more than the salvation of all people. He despised false gods and sin, because they drive us away from His plan for our salvation.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:30 pm**

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kowani wrote:I think I just burst a lung from laughter.

What are laws? What are crimes? What is society? Never heard of such foolish concepts in my entire life.

Who needs stability or freedom?

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:31 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:What are laws? What are crimes? What is society? Never heard of such foolish concepts in my entire life.

Who needs stability or freedom?

There are no answers to that.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:36 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:What are laws? What are crimes? What is society? Never heard of such foolish concepts in my entire life.

Who needs stability or freedom?

Since when have you cared about freedom?

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:39 pm**

Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:Who needs stability or freedom?

Since when have you cared about freedom?

I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy in their ideology.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:42 pm**

Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:Who needs stability or freedom?

Since when have you cared about freedom?

Oh please don't get me started on how your religion (and religion in general) is the complete opposite of freedom. Think before you insult people for no reason.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:43 pm**

Ancapto wrote:Oh please don't get me started on how your religion (and religion in general) is the complete opposite of freedom. Think before you insult people for no reason.

Kowani is an autocrat, he's just asking why Kowani is acting like he cares about freedom. I don't see why you brought up religion.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:43 pm**

Look I just don't want you two to start another bickering match here.

Actually I don't want anyone to start a bickering match here.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:46 pm**

Greater Cesnica wrote:Look I just don't want you two to start another bickering match here.

Actually I don't want anyone to start a bickering match here.

Fair.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:49 pm**

Ancapto wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Since when have you cared about freedom?

Oh please don't get me started on how your religion (and religion in general) is the complete opposite of freedom. Think before you insult people for no reason.

I believe (and my faith has led me to this conclusion, by the way) that other peoples' dignity should be respected and therefore I do support personal freedoms.

Maybe not to the extent liberals do, but more so than Kowani by far.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:49 pm**

Greater Cesnica wrote:Look I just don't want you two to start another bickering match here.

Actually I don't want anyone to start a bickering match here.

Well, this is a debate thread.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:51 pm**

Salus Maior wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Look I just don't want you two to start another bickering match here.

Actually I don't want anyone to start a bickering match here.

Well, this is a debate thread.

Debating and arguing is fine. Attacking each other using immature, childish retorts and insults is not.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:52 pm**

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Well, this is a debate thread.

Debating and arguing is fine. Attacking each other using immature, childish retorts and insults is not.

I just asked why Kowani was suddenly caring about freedom when he constantly advocates destroying peoples' freedoms.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:54 pm**

Salus Maior wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Debating and arguing is fine. Attacking each other using immature, childish retorts and insults is not.

I just asked why Kowani was suddenly caring about freedom when he constantly advocates destroying peoples' freedoms.

And Kowani responded with why.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:55 pm**

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I just asked why Kowani was suddenly caring about freedom when he constantly advocates destroying peoples' freedoms.

And Kowani responded with why.

Thank you, GC.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:56 pm**

What's the topic of tonight, RWDT? Been tired lol

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:56 pm**

Salus Maior wrote:I just asked why Kowani was suddenly caring about freedom when he constantly advocates destroying peoples' freedoms.

I think us Christians are rather sensitive to this. I can't count the number of times atheists and anti-theists suddenly pretend caring about Jesus and his teachings to accuse Christians of not being good enough Christians.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:57 pm**

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I just asked why Kowani was suddenly caring about freedom when he constantly advocates destroying peoples' freedoms.

And Kowani responded with why.

Ok?

So why are you upset about bickering that isn't happening?

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