Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Salus Maior]

They don't need a military to do that. What would a bank do with a military?

Hahaha. Read about Venice.

Venice wasn't a huge bank. It was a merchant republic.

[Duvniask]

Some of which comes from secularization and religion playing less and less of a role in daily life, not because Christianity is somehow better, really. A while back, these things were more or less just as common in the Christian World.

It's almost as if Christianity modernized and Islam didn't.

And it doesn't address the issue at hand, which is that Christians adhere to a book that condones genocide. The question I was responding to was asking why Christians should abandon the Old Testament; my response being that it is explicitly genocidal.

If they're not committing genocide then I don't see what the issue is. The OT is an important part of Christianity, so unless you expect them to erase half the Bible they're not going to abandon it completely.

This is rich coming from someone who says communists must be suppressed for their views.

I was referring to the Bible as a whole in that sentence.

And regardless, you're gonna come out in favor of genocidal scripture. That's all anyone needs to know.

So your statement is even less accurate.

It's not even something we practice, obviously. It's in the Bible because the foundation of ancient Israel and it's myths and history is an important part of understanding what is meant in the New Testament when it is said there is a "New Israel" (the Church). The Biblical canon is the way it is because it's important to understanding doctrine and dogma and the themes of the New Testament.

I can hold it in single book-form in my hand, the form I assume it most often occurs in. It is a book. I get that the Bible is composed of multiple "books" or divisions; as you can see, I referred to the Book of Joshua when I replied to you earlier.

It's not something you practice, but this is your scripture. If this is the correct telling of events, it means your God is genocidal. In any case, whether is accurate or not, it means the Bible contains multiple instances of God being explicitly portrayed as calling for genocide. If you don't understand why this sets a dangerous precedent for your faith, then there's no reason to take you seriously.

And either you condone this, or you don't. If you come out against it, I must question your commitment to the word of the holy scripture. If you come out for it, then aw shit here we go again.

[Diopolis]

The ban on sterilization predates the sixties, and in fact dates back to the fathers.

Too bad. At least I am not Nancy Pelosi or similar vehement scum.

You are exactly like Nancy Pelosi, just in a different direction.

Let me cry because we avoided children being born to addicts and also avoided having to take them and put them up for adoption... Oh wait...

Since I am completely against abortion but I live in a country where I see people living in the streets with children, you don't leave realpolitik with much options. Are we going to pay endless welfare checks?

No. We are going to reform society such that single motherhood is much rarer.

[Ancapto]

Go after people that are in debt to them or use it for other reasons.

That's what courts are for, because we lived in a civilized country where the settlement of debts is done through contractual agreements and disputes.

Not in an Anarcho-Capitalist society.

[Bear Stearns]

Go after people that are in debt to them or use it for other reasons.

Debt collecting is a legit business though. Even if usually on smaller scale. ^^

Also, the biggest debtors to banks are large corporations. Is JPMorgan Chase going to show up at the headquarters of Microsoft with tanks and troops demanding repayment on its bonds?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Huge fan of credit unions (I'm actually a member of one). Great way to lock money away and profit off of high margin microlending. Very secure too.

Online banks? That will be all banks in about 15 years.

That's good to hear. Might do a mix of both, keep most of my money in a credit union, plonk a sum of money in a high-interest bank account and let it grow. Put some money into an index fund and hopefully, that'll make for a financially secure combination.

[Temple State]

Hahaha. Read about Venice.

Venice wasn't a huge bank. It was a merchant republic.

Point in fact: The banking cartel(s) had private armies.

[Bear Stearns]

Huge fan of credit unions (I'm actually a member of one). Great way to lock money away and profit off of high margin microlending. Very secure too.

Online banks? That will be all banks in about 15 years.

That's good to hear. Might do a mix of both, keep most of my money in a credit union, plonk a sum of money in a high-interest bank account and let it grow. Put some money into an index fund and hopefully, that'll make for a financially secure combination.

Start putting money away as early as possible and live within your means - those are the two simplest rules to securing financial freedom, and arguably the most difficult to master.

[Temple State]

Too bad. At least I am not Nancy Pelosi or similar vehement scum.

You are exactly like Nancy Pelosi, just in a different direction.

Let me cry because we avoided children being born to addicts and also avoided having to take them and put them up for adoption... Oh wait...

Since I am completely against abortion but I live in a country where I see people living in the streets with children, you don't leave realpolitik with much options. Are we going to pay endless welfare checks?

No. We are going to reform society such that single motherhood is much rarer.

Tell me how. Even when mothers are not single there will still be people who will have kids just to collect welfare. Or you won't have welfare, like here, and they will be living in the streets, the entire happy family united.

Sterilizing people and kiling kids are not even remotely the same thing in moral terms.

[Gagium]

That's what courts are for, because we lived in a civilized country where the settlement of debts is done through contractual agreements and disputes.

Not in an Anarcho-Capitalist society.

Could a theoretical Ancap ‘society’ even be classified as a society at that point though?

[Bear Stearns]

That's what courts are for, because we lived in a civilized country where the settlement of debts is done through contractual agreements and disputes.

Not in an Anarcho-Capitalist society.

Well we do not live in an anarcho-capitalist society.

[Bear Stearns]

Venice wasn't a huge bank. It was a merchant republic.

Point in fact: The banking cartel(s) had private armies.

Apples to oranges.

Aristocratic clans that controlling pre-industrial cities is not remotely comparable to our modern financial system.

[Nakena]

Hahaha. Read about Venice.

Venice wasn't a huge bank. It was a merchant republic.

I am reading currently The Medici: A Tale of Fifteen Generations by James Cleugh, really makes you appriciate italian renaissance. Florentine history is very interesting.

Start putting money away as early as possible and live within your means - those are the two simplest rules to securing financial freedom, and arguably the most difficult to master.

Thats unironically what I have always been done to begin with.

[Bear Stearns]

A better example of corporate militaries would be the Dutch West India Company and the British East India Company.

[Diopolis]

You are exactly like Nancy Pelosi, just in a different direction.

No. We are going to reform society such that single motherhood is much rarer.

Tell me how. Even when mothers are not single there will still be people who will have kids just to collect welfare. Or you won't have welfare, like here, and they will be living in the streets, the entire happy family united.

Sterilizing people and kiling kids are not even remotely the same thing in moral terms.

The solution to that is to change the welfare system so that it encourages stable two-parent nuclear families, which are overwhelmingly likely to transition into financial independence, as opposed to single motherhood, which is overwhelmingly unlikely. It's not to start sterilizing blue collar workers- anyone who tries to sterilize me's gettin' a proper Texas response.
Sterilizations are still mortal sins. You are advocating for mortal sin as a deliberate government policy.

[Temple State]

Point in fact: The banking cartel(s) had private armies.

Apples to oranges.

Aristocratic clans that controlling pre-industrial cities is not remotely comparable to our modern financial system.

Unless Neo-Liberalism is actually like the stereotype of bad feudalism. Which it is.

[Ancapto]

Not in an Anarcho-Capitalist society.

Well we do not live in an anarcho-capitalist society.

Ik but we should. Imagine a world with no regulations on the market and no government. It would be great! True freedom, no taxes, no government.

[Crysuko]

Well we do not live in an anarcho-capitalist society.

Ik but we should. Imagine a world with no regulations on the market and no government. It would be great! True freedom, no taxes, no government.

I see. Now provide an answer that isn't pure ideology.

[Temple State]

Tell me how. Even when mothers are not single there will still be people who will have kids just to collect welfare. Or you won't have welfare, like here, and they will be living in the streets, the entire happy family united.

Sterilizing people and kiling kids are not even remotely the same thing in moral terms.

The solution to that is to change the welfare system so that it encourages stable two-parent nuclear families, which are overwhelmingly likely to transition into financial independence, as opposed to single motherhood, which is overwhelmingly unlikely. It's not to start sterilizing blue collar workers- anyone who tries to sterilize me's gettin' a proper Texas response.

So parents who can't cope with your tax/welfare-policy will have to be without government aid even if their kids are starving? Humane...

[Bear Stearns]

Well we do not live in an anarcho-capitalist society.

Ik but we should. Imagine a world with no regulations on the market and no government. It would be great! True freedom, no taxes, no government.

Not necessarily. I do agree that things are overregulated and that the government is too large, but I wouldn't go that far. There are also some industries that I believe should be nationalized.

[Bear Stearns]

Apples to oranges.

Aristocratic clans that controlling pre-industrial cities is not remotely comparable to our modern financial system.

Unless Neo-Liberalism is actually like the stereotype of bad feudalism. Which it is.

Our financial system can exist mostly intact and not serve neoliberal purposes.

[Temple State]

Well we do not live in an anarcho-capitalist society.

Ik but we should. Imagine a world with no regulations on the market and no government. It would be great! True freedom, no taxes, no government.

This. The definition of a Crapsack World.

[Salus Maior]

It's not something you practice, but this is your scripture. If this is the correct telling of events, it means your God is genocidal. In any case, whether is accurate or not, it means the Bible contains multiple instances of God being explicitly portrayed as calling for genocide. If you don't understand why this sets a dangerous precedent for your faith, then there's no reason to take you seriously.

Oh, I haven't been taking you very seriously for a while so feel free to do whatever you want.

You clearly know very little about our religion aside from what /r/Atheism posts, and now you're telling us what we're going to become in the future? Oh come off it.

The nature of the Old Covenant was different than the New Covenant that has been established by Christ which is defined by the Gospels, the rest of the New Testament, and the tradition of the Church. We're defined by the teachings of Christ, and live according to the morality He taught. And there's not really room for genocide in that so don't worry your little head.

[Bear Stearns]

Venice wasn't a huge bank. It was a merchant republic.

I am reading currently The Medici: A Tale of Fifteen Generations by James Cleugh, really makes you appriciate italian renaissance. Florentine history is very interesting.

Start putting money away as early as possible and live within your means - those are the two simplest rules to securing financial freedom, and arguably the most difficult to master.

Thats unironically what I have always been done to begin with.

As you should, but for some people, it is incredibly difficult to live within their means and to have the discipline to put away x.x% of your money away each month.

[Ancapto]

Ik but we should. Imagine a world with no regulations on the market and no government. It would be great! True freedom, no taxes, no government.

I see. Now provide an answer that isn't pure ideology.

A answer to what though?

Not necessarily. I do agree that things are overregulated and that the government is too large, but I wouldn't go that far. There are also some industries that I believe should be nationalized.

What is the point in having a small government? Also what industries should be nationalized?