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Hanafuridake wrote:
The bloodshed in the Old Testament dwarfs just about every other violent episode in mythology, with the exception of the Aztecs and Quran.

Oh, come on. The Old Testament is not nearly that bloody.

Salus Maior wrote:Is it Pagan/Abrahamic rumble again?

Buddhist/Pagan/Abrahamic rumble.

Nakena wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:Is it Pagan/Abrahamic rumble again?

It really started with Christian Fascism(sic!) from The Cringe Confederacy yours truly.

Yeah, I'm just thrilled that Christian Amin is here.

Novus America wrote:

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:If I were to cut it in half (the biggest amount of cutting I'd support), We'd still have a larger budget then those two countries combined. I don't expect everyone to play nice, I'm talking about curbing wasteful spending on pointless warfare. Also, our military wouldn't be what is preventing outright invasion of our allies. I'm sure our nukes are better at doing that, as ground wars have winners, while nuclear wars probably won't.

https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0053 ... comparison

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Total spending is a horrible point of comparison. You think it costs the same to pay for and America soldier as a Russian one?
Human Resource costs in the US are many times higher.

The cost of 1 US troop is far higher than a Russian one (where wages are very low).

https://www.helgilibrary.com/charts/wha ... y-in-2015/
Actually in terms of military spending per GDP the US is not that high.

And nuclear deterrence has severe limitations. Would you really sacrifice New York to save Kiev?
Of course not. So with nuclear weapons you have nothing to stop a limited conventional ground attack that you are not willing to start nuclear war to stop.

I will keep at least 50% of our military budget, so we will have something to stop a limited ground attack (assuming of one comes). Also, I wouldn't have to sacrifice New York, because any reasonable leader would remember MAD, which is a doctrine where everyone gets destroyed if nuclear war comes. Regardless if our military is cut or not, there is a good chance that any direct war with those other two nuclear powers would lead to nukes coming out, so hopefully that would deter war altogether.

As for our GDP, if it is large enough where we don't need to spend 15% or so of it on our military, that simply shows that our economy is large, not that we need to bloat it up, or keep it the same because some third world shitholes with a smaller GDP than ours, spend a higher percentage of it on military. We have the highest GDP.

Finally, while cost of living can effect the results, you might have a bit of a point there. However, Britain only spends a fraction of the amount of money we do on its military, and it is not a country with a low cost of living.


Oh, on a bit of a side note, We do buy equipment we do not need.

Salus Maior wrote:

Hanafuridake wrote:
The bloodshed in the Old Testament dwarfs just about every other violent episode in mythology, with the exception of the Aztecs and Quran.

Oh, come on. The Old Testament is not nearly that bloody.

It is extremely brutal. I don't think you can argue that stoning and mass murder aren't bloody.

Salus Maior wrote:

Nakena wrote:
It really started with Christian Fascism(sic!) from The Cringe Confederacy yours truly.

Yeah, I'm just thrilled that Christian Amin is here.

Check out his region. Theres a whole region FULL of those. And they even have a forum thread!

LiberNovusAmericae knows them already...

Salus Maior wrote:

Hanafuridake wrote:
The bloodshed in the Old Testament dwarfs just about every other violent episode in mythology, with the exception of the Aztecs and Quran.

Oh, come on. The Old Testament is not nearly that bloody.

It is pretty dark in parts though most Christians do not regard it has literal history.
Although Hindu epics are quite metal.

Salus Maior wrote:

Nakena wrote:
It really started with Christian Fascism(sic!) from The Cringe Confederacy yours truly.

Yeah, I'm just thrilled that Christian Amin is here.

In fairness, that's not really an accurate description. Amin at least tried to downplay the worst excesses of islamic atrocity-of-the-week and didn't seem that interested in fascistic militarism.

Hindu epics do not receive nearly enough love.

The Iliad and Beowulf are good, but I don't think they can compare to mystical mantras to summon weapons which can destroy all of creation, or sages creating whole new universes through penances.

Diopolis wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Yeah, I'm just thrilled that Christian Amin is here.

In fairness, that's not really an accurate description. Amin at least tried to downplay the worst excesses of islamic atrocity-of-the-week and didn't seem that interested in fascistic militarism.

Temple State reminds me more of that "Traditionalism" fellow who used to post here. You know, the one who used to go on about Evola and the "spiritual caste system." That guy was some kind of dissenting Protestant, however, whereas Temple State claims to be one of yours.

Old Tyrannia wrote:

Diopolis wrote:In fairness, that's not really an accurate description. Amin at least tried to downplay the worst excesses of islamic atrocity-of-the-week and didn't seem that interested in fascistic militarism.

Temple State reminds me more of that "Traditionalism" fellow who used to post here. You know, the one who used to go on about Evola and the "spiritual caste system." That guy was some kind of dissenting Protestant, however, whereas Temple State claims to be one of yours.

We get those kinds wandering through every now and again. Most of the time they just wander, though.

Hanafuridake wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Oh, come on. The Old Testament is not nearly that bloody.

It is extremely brutal. I don't think you can argue that stoning and mass murder aren't bloody.

Stoning is bloody, sure, but it's not as if it weren't a common means of capital punishment at the time. And considering there are a couple books that line up the laws and criminal punishment of this ancient bronze age civilization, I don't think we can blame it for being a bit on the bloody side.

That being said though, I wouldn't say it's as grimdark as it seems. It's actually believed that historically speaking there weren't very many people that actually received capital punishment in ancient Israel, because the requirements for someone to receive capital punishment were pretty complicated. For one, iirc, there always had to be at least two witnesses, and they couldn't be related to each other. I think there were more than that but I haven't eaten much today and my head's kinda foggy.

There were also provisions for people who accidentally committed serious crimes to keep them safe from reprisals in designated Cities of Refuge.

It does amuse me that a lot of esoteric traditionalist (i.e fascist larper) types try to claim Tolkien as one of their own when he was a distributist who thought anarchism was kind of alright, made his contempt for apartheid clear, hated war and industrialism, and told Nazi publishers that he “unfortunately” did not have any Jewish blood in his veins.

Diopolis wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Yeah, I'm just thrilled that Christian Amin is here.

In fairness, that's not really an accurate description. Amin at least tried to downplay the worst excesses of islamic atrocity-of-the-week and didn't seem that interested in fascistic militarism.

Well, I call him Christian Amin because he inadvertently is trying to destroy Christianity's reputation on this site.

Hanafuridake wrote:It does amuse me that a lot of esoteric traditionalist (i.e fascist larper) types try to claim Tolkien as one of their own when he was a distributist who thought anarchism was kind of alright, made his contempt for apartheid clear, hated war and industrialism, and told Nazi publishers that he “unfortunately” did not have any Jewish blood in his veins.

Yeah, Tolkien really wasn't one for politics.

Salus Maior wrote:

Diopolis wrote:In fairness, that's not really an accurate description. Amin at least tried to downplay the worst excesses of islamic atrocity-of-the-week and didn't seem that interested in fascistic militarism.

Well, I call him Christian Amin because he inadvertently is trying to destroy Christianity's reputation on this site.

I doubt temple will have as much effect as amin did.

Salus Maior wrote:

Hanafuridake wrote:
The bloodshed in the Old Testament dwarfs just about every other violent episode in mythology, with the exception of the Aztecs and Quran.

Oh, come on. The Old Testament is not nearly that bloody.

These excerpts are from Chapter 10 of the Book of Joshua alone:

10:10
"And the Lord discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Bethhoron, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah."

10:19-10:20
"And stay ye not, but pursue after your enemies, and smite the hindmost of them; suffer them not to enter into their cities: for the Lord your God hath delivered them into your hand. And it came to pass, when Joshua and the children of Israel had made an end of slaying them with a very great slaughter, till they were consumed, that the rest which remained of them entered into fenced cities."

10:28
"And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho."

In fact, the phrase "smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain" get repeated several times from hereon out, describing the fall of several cities in the same manner: massacre.

In summary:

10:40
"So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded."

But the Old Testament is not that bloody, ok.

Bear Stearns wrote:

Temple State wrote:
The point is: No real value is added by their "work". They are just swindling people. Why? Because all Big Finance and Banking today hinges on usury, which is essentially immoral.

You obviously don't understand what bankers do. Who are they swindling? The internal finance teams of Fortune 500 companies?

As I said, everybody. Private central banking is the main source of current inflationary rates, even when they are at their lowest. Then you have crazed dictators like Maduro of course, but they are rare.

Imperium Romanum Sanctis wrote:

Nakena wrote:
It's depicted as a being that has certainly no good intentions for Mankind but to enslave it in submission and fear for all eternity.

As opposed to the overwhelming majority of pagan gods; who were capricious, vindictive and generally went out of their way to harm their own people?

God is pretty benevolent by comparison, and considering how he sacrificed himself on a cross to redeem humanity, I'd say that our enslavement is the last thing on his mind.

Ssshh, don't tell them the pagan gods of the Romans and the Greeks ordered them to throw "defect" babies in big pits. I and my ilk are the "Social Darwinists" here.

Hanafuridake wrote:

Imperium Romanum Sanctis wrote:As opposed to the overwhelming majority of pagan gods; who were capricious, vindictive and generally went out of their way to harm their own people?

Xenophanes wrote:Homer and Hesiod have attributed to the gods all sorts of things which are matters of reproach and censure among men: theft, adultery and mutual deceit.

How much ancient Greeks and Romans interpreted myths literally is debatable. Lots of classical philosophers criticized Homer and Hesiod for attributing immoral actions to the gods, probably mostly famously Plato who thought that Homer ought to be banished from his ideal republic. There's not much in common between the Iliad's Zeus and the Stoic's.

Imperium Romanum Sanctis wrote:God is pretty benevolent by comparison, and considering how he sacrificed himself on a cross to redeem humanity, I'd say that our enslavement is the last thing on his mind.

The bloodshed in the Old Testament dwarfs just about every other violent episode in mythology, with the exception of the Aztecs and Quran.

I thought all agnostics and the ones who don't see God conforming to their feeble morals as somebody who should fix the world and eradicate evil? Then He goes and orders evil to be eradicated and still you complain? There is no satisfying the treacherous human heart.

Nakena wrote:

Imperium Romanum Sanctis wrote:As opposed to the overwhelming majority of pagan gods; who were capricious, vindictive and generally went out of their way to harm their own people?

You describing the ascausal interdimensional alien entity called Jawh who evidently didn do jackshit but whom managed to scare off a lot of people to do to his bidding? Yeah sure sounds familiar.

Imperium Romanum Sanctis wrote:God is pretty benevolent by comparison, and considering how he sacrificed himself on a cross to redeem humanity, I'd say that our enslavement is the last thing on his mind.

If christianity would ditch the OT then we might have a different discussion here.

But given the circumstances I'd rather side with Satan in question of doubt.

Read Romans 1.

Also, some other NT goodies:

Phil. 3:2-14
1 Thess 2:14-16
John 8:44
Romans 2:28-29
Titus 1:14
Acts 7
1 John 2:22-23

This one is also nice:

Matt. 10:34
Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.

Back to OT, Ecclesiastes 3 is also a good reminder of the double nature of being human and living in this world. There are always going to be necessary evils.
Galatians 3:16

Temple State wrote:This one is also nice:

Matt. 10:34
Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.

Literally everyone loves to take that verse out of context.

Read it in it's original chapter. The sword isn't a real sword, but rather a sword of division between people as some come to accept Christ and others don't.

Nakena wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Yeah, I'm just thrilled that Christian Amin is here.

Check out his region. Theres a whole region FULL of those. And they even have a forum thread!

LiberNovusAmericae knows them already...

Browned your pants now?

Salus Maior wrote:

Temple State wrote:This one is also nice:

Matt. 10:34
Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.

Literally everyone loves to take that verse out of context.

Read it in it's original chapter. The sword isn't a real sword, but rather a sword of division between people as some come to accept Christ and others don't.

It is both and has been interpreted as both. The Sword is symbolically His Holy Spirit.

The crime of rape should be punished with forced sterilization at the very least, or possibly castration.