Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Jolthig]

True. Though Trump did help instigate them too, but yeah, they aren't any better.

I get your dislike of the Saudi regime. I really do.
Unfortunately the Middle East is a total mess, with no good options.

Teleporting it to another planet is not available.

I suppose, but we should be conditional with Saudi Arabia. If they want our help. They should stop bombing school children. I dont want to give arms to a nation that violates the Geneva Conventions

[Novus America]

I get your dislike of the Saudi regime. I really do.
Unfortunately the Middle East is a total mess, with no good options.

Teleporting it to another planet is not available.

I suppose, but we should be conditional with Saudi Arabia. If they want our help. They should stop bombing school children. I dont want to give arms to a nation that violates the Geneva Conventions

I do agree we should be more conditional and try to limit collateral damage as much as we can.
Unfortunately the PRC and Putin will just sell them bombs if we stop though.
And they really give zero fs about how many children die.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

If our laws were based on the bible, capital punishment would be used for minor offenses, there wouldn't be freedom of religion, and there wouldn't be freedom of speech. We were founded on enlightenment values, and while some of our founders were Christian, they obviously believed that it should be a personal matter. Jefferson for example was very supportive of religious freedom, and separation of church and state.

Our were absolutely based on the bible, why do you think murder and theft is illegal? Because the bible said so in the ten commandments.

Also

capital punishment would be used for minor offenses, there wouldn't be freedom of religion, and there wouldn't be freedom of speech.

implying that would be a bad thing lol.

The fact that those shitty ideas are not embraced by the U.S. proves my point. Also, theft was illegal in pre-christian societies. Hell, the Roman Republic had theft set as a capital offense.

[Novus America]

I get your dislike of the Saudi regime. I really do.
Unfortunately the Middle East is a total mess, with no good options.

Teleporting it to another planet is not available.

You said, forgetting about Rojava.

Which is hardly utopian and is a doomed island in a sea of despair.

[Jolthig]

I suppose, but we should be conditional with Saudi Arabia. If they want our help. They should stop bombing school children. I dont want to give arms to a nation that violates the Geneva Conventions

I do agree we should be more conditional and try to limit collateral damage as much as we can.
Unfortunately the PRC and Putin will just sell them bombs if we stop though.
And they really give zero fs about how many children die.

Then, in that case, we could support the factions that fight back against the Saudi bombings. Otherwise, we can open up our doors for refugees.

But on a strategic level, Iran too has Russian support, so that might make it hard for russia to decide between the Saudis and Iranians.

[The Hindustani State]

America letting go of Saudi would make it another colony in the great Jinping empire, but all the US should do is cut down on purchasing oil, a lot. Unfortunately, one of the best alternatives, Venezuela, is not exactly in the condition to sell…

Though actually the US is nearly a net oil producer now, and our biggest source of outside oil is Canada. So we are actually pretty good on that front, even given the Venezuelan situation.
Actually only a very small portion of our oil comes from Saudi Arabia. Only %9 of imports which only make up %11 of consumption.

We do not to try to encourage electric cars more though and stop using oil for power production.

So then coal will take over, and it pollutes far more than oil… electric cars really do not help the environment

[Jolthig]

Our were absolutely based on the bible, why do you think murder and theft is illegal? Because the bible said so in the ten commandments.

Also

implying that would be a bad thing lol.

The fact that those shitty ideas are not embraced by the U.S. proves my point. Also, theft was illegal in pre-christian societies. Hell, the Roman Republic had theft set as a capital offense.

I mean, that's just common sense. Theft is bad.

[The Hindustani State]

I get your dislike of the Saudi regime. I really do.
Unfortunately the Middle East is a total mess, with no good options.

Teleporting it to another planet is not available.

You said, forgetting about Rojava.

>Arabs in Rojava face violence and desperately want to leave

>Best ‘nation’ in the Middle East

[Grenartia]

I suppose, but we should be conditional with Saudi Arabia. If they want our help. They should stop bombing school children. I dont want to give arms to a nation that violates the Geneva Conventions

I do agree we should be more conditional and try to limit collateral damage as much as we can.
Unfortunately the PRC and Putin will just sell them bombs if we stop though.
And they really give zero fs about how many children die.

The quickest way to erode the power of Saudi Arabia is to wean the rest of the world off of fossil fuels. Go all in on nuclearization. Mandate all-electric vehicles (or at least 0 net-emission cars) by some deadline. Invest in ways to convert current gas-guzzlers to electric or alternative. Expand public transport networks. Etc.

Energy is KSA's life blood. So cut its jugular, and save the planet in the process.

[Surkiea]

Things have gotten better actually. Demonstrably. Unless you're simply a horrible human being. But I'm going to assume you aren't absent a confession to the contrary, or clearly shitty statements.

No it hasn't, homelessness, crime, unemployment, unhappiness and suicide have increased since then, I wonder why huh?

What's wrong with that?

Homosexuality is evil and spreads disease, it has lead to the morale destruction of society, it goes go against what the bible says.

If anything, it is secularism that has made peaceful and prosperous nations. One needs only look at the growth of peace, stability, and prosperity across the globe and the rise of secularism to prove it.

Secularism is a cancer that has lead to use abandoning our most precious values, it kills countries.

The only rot that will happen is by not abandoning social conservatism, fascism, bigotry, religious fundamentalism, and "traditionalist" thinking. Those are the ideologies that lead to hellholes, not whatever the fuck "SJW" allegedly means.

Fascism does not belong there, and all the others are what is commanded in the bible, going against that is going against the word of god.

The choice is between progress and death.

Progress IS death. Embracing our past values and rejecting post-modern values is the only way for the west to survive.

[Jolthig]

I do agree we should be more conditional and try to limit collateral damage as much as we can.
Unfortunately the PRC and Putin will just sell them bombs if we stop though.
And they really give zero fs about how many children die.

The quickest way to erode the power of Saudi Arabia is to wean the rest of the world off of fossil fuels. Go all in on nuclearization. Mandate all-electric vehicles (or at least 0 net-emission cars) by some deadline. Invest in ways to convert current gas-guzzlers to electric or alternative. Expand public transport networks. Etc.

Energy is KSA's life blood. So cut its jugular, and save the planet in the process.

That will take time though and to quickly switch is not realistic.

[Novus America]

I do agree we should be more conditional and try to limit collateral damage as much as we can.
Unfortunately the PRC and Putin will just sell them bombs if we stop though.
And they really give zero fs about how many children die.

Then, in that case, we could support the factions that fight back against the Saudi bombings. Otherwise, we can open up our doors for refugees.

But on a strategic level, Iran too has Russian support, so that might make it hard for russia to decide between the Saudis and Iranians.

The factions fighting against the Saudis in Yemen are disgusting too, religious fanatics trying to establish a theocracy too.

Russia will sell to both sides an laugh as they count the cash. And the Saudis would always have PRC backing.

The problem with moralism is there is no morality in the the situation.
It just sucks. And we cannot make the region just disappear.

[Jolthig]

Things have gotten better actually. Demonstrably. Unless you're simply a horrible human being. But I'm going to assume you aren't absent a confession to the contrary, or clearly shitty statements.

No it hasn't, homelessness, crime, unemployment, unhappiness and suicide have increased since then, I wonder why huh?

What's wrong with that?

Homosexuality is evil and spreads disease, it has lead to the morale destruction of society, it goes go against what the bible says.

If anything, it is secularism that has made peaceful and prosperous nations. One needs only look at the growth of peace, stability, and prosperity across the globe and the rise of secularism to prove it.

Secularism is a cancer that has lead to use abandoning our most precious values, it kills countries.

The only rot that will happen is by not abandoning social conservatism, fascism, bigotry, religious fundamentalism, and "traditionalist" thinking. Those are the ideologies that lead to hellholes, not whatever the fuck "SJW" allegedly means.

Fascism does not belong there, and all the others are what is commanded in the bible, going against that is going against the word of god.

The choice is between progress and death.

Progress IS death. Embracing our past values and rejecting post-modern values is the only way for the west to survive.

This is exactly the same words Al Mumtahanah used too which is why I suspect you are him. Not to switch the topics around, but it's because of the whataboutisms in this post. This will be my last comment so I don't cause a huge threadjack.

[Novus America]

Though actually the US is nearly a net oil producer now, and our biggest source of outside oil is Canada. So we are actually pretty good on that front, even given the Venezuelan situation.
Actually only a very small portion of our oil comes from Saudi Arabia. Only %9 of imports which only make up %11 of consumption.

We do not to try to encourage electric cars more though and stop using oil for power production.

So then coal will take over, and it pollutes far more than oil… electric cars really do not help the environment

Nukes FTW.
Nuclear is love, nuclear is life.
Embrace our friend the atom.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8PwllA-CyJU

Seriously that movie should be shown in every school again.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The fact that those shitty ideas are not embraced by the U.S. proves my point. Also, theft was illegal in pre-christian societies. Hell, the Roman Republic had theft set as a capital offense.

I mean, that's just common sense. Theft is bad.

Agreed. It was also a criminal offense in one of mankind's first sets of laws. Hammurabi was certainly not influenced by the bible, as the book did not even exist yet.

[The Hindustani State]

Then, in that case, we could support the factions that fight back against the Saudi bombings. Otherwise, we can open up our doors for refugees.

But on a strategic level, Iran too has Russian support, so that might make it hard for russia to decide between the Saudis and Iranians.

The factions fighting against the Saudis in Yemen are disgusting too, religious fanatics trying to establish a theocracy too.

Russia will sell to both sides an laugh as they count the cash. And the Saudis would always have PRC backing.

The problem with moralism is there is no morality in the the situation.
It just sucks. And we cannot make the region just disappear.

It seems everyone there wants some or the other form of radicalism, this is true for every region with absurdly high natural resources, like the Congo

[Jolthig]

Then, in that case, we could support the factions that fight back against the Saudi bombings. Otherwise, we can open up our doors for refugees.

But on a strategic level, Iran too has Russian support, so that might make it hard for russia to decide between the Saudis and Iranians.

The factions fighting against the Saudis in Yemen are disgusting too, religious fanatics trying to establish a theocracy too.

Russia will sell to both sides an laugh as they count the cash. And the Saudis would always have PRC backing.

The problem with moralism is there is no morality in the the situation.
It just sucks. And we cannot make the region just disappear.

Except with a magic wand if we had any lol

War isnt fair indeed.

[Diopolis]

A reading suggestion for the list- Grand New Party by Ross Douthat and Reihan Salaam.

[Jolthig]

I mean, that's just common sense. Theft is bad.

Agreed. It was also a criminal offense in one of mankind's first sets of laws. Hammurabi was certainly not influenced by the bible, as the book did not even exist yet.

Yep. And the Muslims in the ancient era in turn, adopted that approach too.

[Novus America]

I do agree we should be more conditional and try to limit collateral damage as much as we can.
Unfortunately the PRC and Putin will just sell them bombs if we stop though.
And they really give zero fs about how many children die.

The quickest way to erode the power of Saudi Arabia is to wean the rest of the world off of fossil fuels. Go all in on nuclearization. Mandate all-electric vehicles (or at least 0 net-emission cars) by some deadline. Invest in ways to convert current gas-guzzlers to electric or alternative. Expand public transport networks. Etc.

Energy is KSA's life blood. So cut its jugular, and save the planet in the process.

Yes, and it is Iran’s life blood too.

I want all of the above although sadly even if we do this the rest of the world will still buy ME blood oil. Not much of our oil comes from the Middle East anymore.

[Cerinda]

No it hasn't, homelessness, crime, unemployment, unhappiness and suicide have increased since then, I wonder why huh?


Homosexuality is evil and spreads disease, it has lead to the morale destruction of society, it goes go against what the bible says.


Secularism is a cancer that has lead to use abandoning our most precious values, it kills countries.



Fascism does not belong there, and all the others are what is commanded in the bible, going against that is going against the word of god.


Progress IS death. Embracing our past values and rejecting post-modern values is the only way for the west to survive.

This is exactly the same words Al Mumtahanah used too which is why I suspect you are him. Not to switch the topics around, but it's because of the whataboutisms in this post. This will be my last comment so I don't cause a huge threadjack.

Well Al Mumtahanah was a Sunni extremist while this guy is a Christian reactionary, most likely a Baptist and probably from Alabama or West Virginia. Also his account was created in 2016.

[Nova Cyberia]

This is exactly the same words Al Mumtahanah used too which is why I suspect you are him. Not to switch the topics around, but it's because of the whataboutisms in this post. This will be my last comment so I don't cause a huge threadjack.

Well Al Mumtahanah was a Sunni extremist while this guy is a Christian reactionary, most likely a Baptist and probably from Alabama or West Virginia. Also his account was created in 2016.

Actually that was Parkus.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Well Al Mumtahanah was a Sunni extremist while this guy is a Christian reactionary, most likely a Baptist and probably from Alabama or West Virginia. Also his account was created in 2016.

Actually that was Parkus.

Surkiea is Parkus?

[Nova Cyberia]

Actually that was Parkus.

Surkiea is Parkus?

No. Al Mumtahanah is.

[Cerinda]

I'm probably out of the loop here but who is Parkus?