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Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:20 pm**

Novus America wrote:
Jolthig wrote:HAHA. they are not a trusted ally lol

They literally are responsible for the rise of terrorists. Not to mention, as brother Cesnica said, they bomb school children.

At best they are the lesser evil.
To quote Jefferson “But, as it is, we have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go.”

Saudi Arabia is not the lesser evil. But equally as bad as Iran. We should just leave them to go at each other, but also send a peacekeeping force to keep the tensions from escalating.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:22 pm**

TFW you realize some people here would consider Eisenhower a flaming degenerate socialist.

Daily reminder the 1950s =/= 1850s.
Oh hell what many here want is more like the 1550s.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:23 pm**

Novus America wrote:TFW you realize some people here would consider Eisenhower a flaming degenerate socialist.

Daily reminder the 1950s =/= 1850s.

I’ll admit, that was hilarious.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:24 pm**

Grenartia wrote:
Surkiea wrote:No, social progress is what destroys nations from the inside as we lose everything our society was founded upon, we must return to the values of the past and reinforce god's law on the land.

Who determines how far back to go? 1950s? 1850s? 1750s? 500s? 50000BCE? Where's the line drawn between "not far enough" and "too far back"?

Preferably the 1950s at first, then we slowly go back to the times when religious word was law.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:24 pm**

Novus America wrote:TFW you realize some people here would consider Eisenhower a flaming degenerate socialist.

Daily reminder the 1950s =/= 1850s.
Oh hell what many here want is more like the 1550s.

This heresy cannot be allowed to persist.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:25 pm**

Surkiea wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Who determines how far back to go? 1950s? 1850s? 1750s? 500s? 50000BCE? Where's the line drawn between "not far enough" and "too far back"?

Preferably the 1950s at first, then we slowly go back to the times when religious word was law.

So, before the Constitution.

See that falling stone? It’s your national life expectancy.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:26 pm**

Jolthig wrote:
Novus America wrote:
At best they are the lesser evil.
To quote Jefferson “But, as it is, we have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go.”

Saudi Arabia is not the lesser evil. But equally as bad as Iran. We should just leave them to go at each other, but also send a peacekeeping force to keep the tensions from escalating.

Well morally they are just as bad. Strategically less so. Unfortunately letting Saudi Arabia go completely would just have them get full support from the PRC. It would not save lives.
While we should distance ourselves from them as much as we can without throwing them to the PRC, it is a delicate balance.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:27 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:
Kowani wrote:“They’re teaching evolution and racial egalitarianism! The horror!”

Those two things contradict each other.

Bro, you just posted cringe, bro.

Surkiea wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:If our laws were based on the bible, capital punishment would be used for minor offenses, there wouldn't be freedom of religion, and there wouldn't be freedom of speech. We were founded on enlightenment values, and while some of our founders were Christian, they obviously believed that it should be a personal matter. Jefferson for example was very supportive of religious freedom, and separation of church and state.

Our were absolutely based on the bible, why do you think murder and theft is illegal? Because the bible said so in the ten commandments.

You apparently cannot conceive of the fact that there are secular justifications for prohibiting murder and theft.

Also
capital punishment would be used for minor offenses, there wouldn't be freedom of religion, and there wouldn't be freedom of speech.

implying that would be a bad thing lol.

It would make us literally no better than Iran or Saudi Arabia.

Novus America wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._Higgins
Also the airline shoot down was an accident. Not deliberate terrorism.

Make no mistake the current Iranian regime is a foe.

We should not invade but a containment policy is the best course.

Yes we should, Iran is our enemy and needs to be destroyed. If Trump had any balls we already would have done the same in Syria and Venezuela.

If you're so eager to shoot and kill innocent brown people, and get shot and killed by them, I can't stop you, but leave the rest of the country out of it.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:28 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Surkiea wrote:Preferably the 1950s at first, then we slowly go back to the times when religious word was law.

So, before the Constitution.

See that falling stone? It’s your national life expectancy.

Nice strawman you got there.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:28 pm**

Surkiea wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Who determines how far back to go? 1950s? 1850s? 1750s? 500s? 50000BCE? Where's the line drawn between "not far enough" and "too far back"?

Preferably the 1950s at first, then we slowly go back to the times when religious word was law.

And why should we do this, again?

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:31 pm**

Novus America wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Saudi Arabia is not the lesser evil. But equally as bad as Iran. We should just leave them to go at each other, but also send a peacekeeping force to keep the tensions from escalating.

Well morally they are just as bad. Strategically less so. Unfortunately letting Saudi Arabia go completely would just have them get full support from the PRC. It would not save lives.
While we should distance ourselves from them as much as we can without throwing them to the PRC, it is a delicate balance.

America letting go of Saudi would make it another colony in the great Jinping empire, but all the US should do is cut down on purchasing oil, a lot. Unfortunately, one of the best alternatives, Venezuela, is not exactly in the condition to sell…

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:33 pm**

Novus America wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Saudi Arabia is not the lesser evil. But equally as bad as Iran. We should just leave them to go at each other, but also send a peacekeeping force to keep the tensions from escalating.

Well morally they are just as bad. Strategically less so. Unfortunately letting Saudi Arabia go completely would just have them get full support from the PRC. It would not save lives.
While we should distance ourselves from them as much as we can without throwing them to the PRC, it is a delicate balance.

Although, I am not a fan of Israel's foreign policy, we have them as a strategic ally to counter the influence of the PRC backed Saudi Arabia, and Iran on top of it.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:34 pm**

Grenartia wrote:
Surkiea wrote:Preferably the 1950s at first, then we slowly go back to the times when religious word was law.

And why should we do this, again?

Because look at America in the 50s and look at America now, things have got worse since we stopped being "homophobic" and "accepted people for who they are". Religion is a bed rock that has made countries peaceful and prosperous, we need to return to the past or rot in this post-modern SJW leftist hellhole.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:35 pm**

Surkiea wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
And why should we do this, again?

Religion is a bed rock that has made countries peaceful and prosperous

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:37 pm**

Surkiea wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
And why should we do this, again?

Because look at America in the 50s and look at America now, things have got worse since we stopped being "homophobic" and "accepted people for who they are". Religion is a bed rock that has made countries peaceful and prosperous, we need to return to the past or rot in this post-modern SJW leftist hellhole.

What were the Salem Witch Trials?

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:38 pm**

The Hindustani State wrote:
Surkiea wrote:Religion is a bed rock that has made countries peaceful and prosperous

I'm mainly talking about Europe and America, the middle east is a completely different story with the main issue being Arabs themselves.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:38 pm**

The Hindustani State wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Well morally they are just as bad. Strategically less so. Unfortunately letting Saudi Arabia go completely would just have them get full support from the PRC. It would not save lives.
While we should distance ourselves from them as much as we can without throwing them to the PRC, it is a delicate balance.

America letting go of Saudi would make it another colony in the great Jinping empire, but all the US should do is cut down on purchasing oil, a lot. Unfortunately, one of the best alternatives, Venezuela, is not exactly in the condition to sell…

Though actually the US is nearly a net oil producer now, and our biggest source of outside oil is Canada. So we are actually pretty good on that front, even given the Venezuelan situation.
Actually only a very small portion of our oil comes from Saudi Arabia. Only %9 of imports which only make up %11 of consumption.

We do not to try to encourage electric cars more though and stop using oil for power production.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:41 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Surkiea wrote:Because look at America in the 50s and look at America now, things have got worse since we stopped being "homophobic" and "accepted people for who they are". Religion is a bed rock that has made countries peaceful and prosperous, we need to return to the past or rot in this post-modern SJW leftist hellhole.

What were the Salem Witch Trials?

Trials were witches were executed. Abuse of power and superstition can lead to such things.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:43 pm**

Surkiea wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
And why should we do this, again?

Because look at America in the 50s and look at America now, things have got worse

Things have gotten better actually. Demonstrably. Unless you're simply a horrible human being. But I'm going to assume you aren't absent a confession to the contrary, or clearly shitty statements.

since we stopped being "homophobic" and "accepted people for who they are".

What's wrong with that?

Religion is a bed rock that has made countries peaceful and prosperous,

The entire history of the Sunni vs Shia, Europe post-Reformation (particularly the 30 Years War), and virtually every interaction between Muslims, Christians, and Jews since fucking forever until post-WW2 say you're absolutely fucking wrong.

If anything, it is secularism that has made peaceful and prosperous nations. One needs only look at the growth of peace, stability, and prosperity across the globe and the rise of secularism to prove it.

we need to return to the past or rot in this post-modern SJW leftist hellhole.

The only rot that will happen is by not abandoning social conservatism, fascism, bigotry, religious fundamentalism, and "traditionalist" thinking. Those are the ideologies that lead to hellholes, not whatever the fuck "SJW" allegedly means.

The choice is between progress and death.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:44 pm**

Surkiea wrote:
Kowani wrote:What were the Salem Witch Trials?

Trials were witches were executed. Abuse of power and superstition can lead to such things.

I don't want to say this....but Parkus, is that you....?

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:44 pm**

Jolthig wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Well morally they are just as bad. Strategically less so. Unfortunately letting Saudi Arabia go completely would just have them get full support from the PRC. It would not save lives.
While we should distance ourselves from them as much as we can without throwing them to the PRC, it is a delicate balance.

Although, I am not a fan of Israel's foreign policy, we have them as a strategic ally to counter the influence of the PRC backed Saudi Arabia, and Iran on top of it.

But Iran is outright hostile. So it leaves us little choice, for now. If only Iran gets a more reasonable government but I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:45 pm**

Novus America wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Although, I am not a fan of Israel's foreign policy, we have them as a strategic ally to counter the influence of the PRC backed Saudi Arabia, and Iran on top of it.

But Iran is outright hostile. So it leaves us little choice, for now. If only Iran gets a more reasonable government but I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

True. Though Trump did help instigate them too, but yeah, they aren't any better.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:47 pm**

Surkiea wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
And why should we do this, again?

Because look at America in the 50s and look at America now, things have got worse since we stopped being "homophobic" and "accepted people for who they are". Religion is a bed rock that has made countries peaceful and prosperous, we need to return to the past or rot in this post-modern SJW leftist hellhole.

1550s or 1950s?
You seem to not understand the 1950s so well. Nobody was put to death for being gay in the 50s.
The US was not some theocracy then at all.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:49 pm**

Jolthig wrote:
Novus America wrote:
But Iran is outright hostile. So it leaves us little choice, for now. If only Iran gets a more reasonable government but I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

True. Though Trump did help instigate them too, but yeah, they aren't any better.

I get your dislike of the Saudi regime. I really do.
Unfortunately the Middle East is a total mess, with no good options.

Teleporting it to another planet is not available.

Posted: **Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:50 pm**

Novus America wrote:
Jolthig wrote:True. Though Trump did help instigate them too, but yeah, they aren't any better.

I get your dislike of the Saudi regime. I really do.
Unfortunately the Middle East is a total mess, with no good options.

Teleporting it to another planet is not available.

You said, forgetting about Rojava.

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