Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Is drug dealing murder?

No, it’s a corruption of local communities that deserves a strong deterrrent due to its devastating effects.

You overestimate capital punishment's deterrence effects.

[Camelone]

Posh New England Protestants are the best kind of American, though. :^)

No.

Agreed, and I'm a Yankee.

[Totally Not OEP]

No, it’s a corruption of local communities that deserves a strong deterrrent due to its devastating effects.

You overestimate capital punishment's deterrence effects.

On this I will disagree because the research back in the day points to it being effective in general; obviously certain exceptions like the criminally insane or crimes of passion aren't going to be deterred, however.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

You overestimate capital punishment's deterrence effects.

On this I will disagree because the research back in the day points to it being effective in general; obviously certain exceptions like the criminally insane or crimes of passion aren't going to be deterred, however.

I would have to see that research. It also is possible that research was biased/conducted improperly.

[Totally Not OEP]

On this I will disagree because the research back in the day points to it being effective in general; obviously certain exceptions like the criminally insane or crimes of passion aren't going to be deterred, however.

I would have to see that research. It also is possible that research was biased/conducted improperly.

Generally speaking the overwhelming conclusion of most studies on the matter prior to the 1990s agreed it was effective in general. The Modern research says it isn't but that ignores how very rarely the death penalty is applied today.

[Fahran]

Posh New England Protestants are the best kind of American, though. :^)

No.

Seconded.

[Totally Not OEP]

I will deadass vote for Playboi Carti as President if shit keeps going the way it is in America.

[Cappuccina]

I will deadass vote for Playboi Carti as President if shit keeps going the way it is in America.

Who?

[Totally Not OEP]

I will deadass vote for Playboi Carti as President if shit keeps going the way it is in America.

Who?

[Hanafuridake]

No.

Seconded.

No wonder Southern peanuts are so salty. They get it from you two.

[Cappuccina]

Who?

No idea who that is......

[Totally Not OEP]

Seconded.

No wonder Southern peanuts are so salty. They get it from you two.

I've been asked before if I'm from Mississippi, but Georgia is a new one.

[Totally Not OEP]

No idea who that is......

Woke Up Like This, probably my favorite song.

[Bear Stearns]

Who here likes Young Dolph?

[Totally Not OEP]

Who here likes Young Dolph?

Preach is a classic. He's very close to Gucci Mane in my opinion overall as a rapper.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I would have to see that research. It also is possible that research was biased/conducted improperly.

Generally speaking the overwhelming conclusion of most studies on the matter prior to the 1990s agreed it was effective in general. The Modern research says it isn't but that ignores how very rarely the death penalty is applied today.

Capital punishment wasn't handed down liberally in the 80s either. I have access to my university's academic databases, so I will try to find the studies your referencing, assuming they're studies, and not simply philosophical opinions.

[VoVoDoCo]

I would have to see that research. It also is possible that research was biased/conducted improperly.

Generally speaking the overwhelming conclusion of most studies on the matter prior to the 1990s agreed it was effective in general. The Modern research says it isn't but that ignores how very rarely the death penalty is applied today.

Plenty of research is available today to argue that the death penalty doesn't deter.

A study of countries in Europe found that of the 11 countries that met the criteria for the case study, 10 of them had a decline in their murder rate.

This research agrees with the results found in the US. Of the 25 states with the highest murder rates, 20 of them have the death penalty. The gap has gotten bigger with time. And hell, 88.2% of criminology experts assert that the death penalty deterrence hypothesis is a myth.

If timing is an issue for you to accept the latest data, there's actually a study that takes that into account. They divided states into 3 categories: Death States (that have the death penalty), transitional states (recently abolished the death penalty), and no death states (states that have long abolished the death penalty.) Worth a read.

[Bear Stearns]

Montreal is better than Toronto.

[Totally Not OEP]

Generally speaking the overwhelming conclusion of most studies on the matter prior to the 1990s agreed it was effective in general. The Modern research says it isn't but that ignores how very rarely the death penalty is applied today.

Plenty of research is available today to argue that the death penalty doesn't deter.

A study of countries in Europe found that of the 11 countries that met the criteria for the case study, 10 of them had a decline in their murder rate.

This research agrees with the results found in the US. Of the 25 states with the highest murder rates, 20 of them have the death penalty. The gap has gotten bigger with time. And hell, 88.2% of criminology experts assert that the death penalty deterrence hypothesis is a myth.

If timing is an issue for you to accept the latest data, there's actually a study that takes that into account. They divided states into 3 categories: Death States (that have the death penalty), transitional states (recently abolished the death penalty), and no death states (states that have long abolished the death penalty.) Worth a read.

As I said, I'm well aware of the modern consensus but, as I already said, these opinions are qualified on the fact that the death penalty is rarely applied in the modern day. When your typical inmate on death row is more likely to die of natural causes than the actual procedure, any deterrence value is lost.

[Cappuccina]

No idea who that is......

Woke Up Like This, probably my favorite song.

Ah, ok.

Who here likes Young Dolph?

I also have no idea who that is......

[Totally Not OEP]

Montreal is better than Toronto.

> Liking Canadian cities at all

[Totally Not OEP]

Ah, ok.

I need to make you a playlist.

[Bear Stearns]

Montreal is better than Toronto.

> Liking Canadian cities at all

Calgary is pretty great. It's like a very high class version of Denver.

Vancouver is a hellscape.

Toronto is basically Chicago without its South Side

Montreal is just chill

[VoVoDoCo]

Plenty of research is available today to argue that the death penalty doesn't deter.

A study of countries in Europe found that of the 11 countries that met the criteria for the case study, 10 of them had a decline in their murder rate.

This research agrees with the results found in the US. Of the 25 states with the highest murder rates, 20 of them have the death penalty. The gap has gotten bigger with time. And hell, 88.2% of criminology experts assert that the death penalty deterrence hypothesis is a myth.

If timing is an issue for you to accept the latest data, there's actually a study that takes that into account. They divided states into 3 categories: Death States (that have the death penalty), transitional states (recently abolished the death penalty), and no death states (states that have long abolished the death penalty.) Worth a read.

As I said, I'm well aware of the modern consensus but, as I already said, these opinions are qualified on the fact that the death penalty is rarely applied in the modern day. When your typical inmate on death row is more likely to die of natural causes than the actual procedure, any deterrence value is lost.

The last source I gave negates that. It compared death states, transitional states, and no death states and watched them over time. That's an immense amount of data.

[VoVoDoCo]

Plenty of research is available today to argue that the death penalty doesn't deter.

A study of countries in Europe found that of the 11 countries that met the criteria for the case study, 10 of them had a decline in their murder rate.

This research agrees with the results found in the US. Of the 25 states with the highest murder rates, 20 of them have the death penalty. The gap has gotten bigger with time. And hell, 88.2% of criminology experts assert that the death penalty deterrence hypothesis is a myth.

If timing is an issue for you to accept the latest data, there's actually a study that takes that into account. They divided states into 3 categories: Death States (that have the death penalty), transitional states (recently abolished the death penalty), and no death states (states that have long abolished the death penalty.) Worth a read.

As I said, I'm well aware of the modern consensus but, as I already said, these opinions are qualified on the fact that the death penalty is rarely applied in the modern day. When your typical inmate on death row is more likely to die of natural causes than the actual procedure, any deterrence value is lost.

Another source watched 11 European countries, looked at their data, and then observed for a decade. That's a lot of data.