Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I believe in a secular state rooted in a religious society.

Impossible. Secularism will render the society functionally atheist.

No, it won't. You can have a religious society without enshrining that religion into the state.

[Totally Not OEP]

Impossible. Secularism will render the society functionally atheist.

No, it won't. You can have a religious society without enshrining that religion into the state.

Show me an example in the world that this worked.

[United Muscovite Nations]

No, it won't. You can have a religious society without enshrining that religion into the state.

Show me an example in the world that this worked.

Pro-tip, they can't, because secularism is just diet state atheism.

Atheists always say that atheism is just the lack of belief in God, but when you say that that means that secularism is a form of state atheism they insist that religion gets equal treatment when in fact it doesn't.

[Crysuko]

Show me an example in the world that this worked.

Pro-tip, they can't, because secularism is just diet state atheism.

Atheists always say that atheism is just the lack of belief in God, but when you say that that means that secularism is a form of state atheism they insist that religion gets equal treatment when in fact it doesn't.

the definition is simply a system that does not show favourtism to any religion. what people do with that definition is their business entirely.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Pro-tip, they can't, because secularism is just diet state atheism.

Atheists always say that atheism is just the lack of belief in God, but when you say that that means that secularism is a form of state atheism they insist that religion gets equal treatment when in fact it doesn't.

the definition is simply a system that does not show favourtism to any religion. what people do with that definition is their business entirely.

Would you say that secularism allows the use of religious reasoning for public policy?

[Crysuko]

the definition is simply a system that does not show favourtism to any religion. what people do with that definition is their business entirely.

Would you say that secularism allows the use of religious reasoning for public policy?

as long as they accept it would face scrutiny from athiests and potentially other religions

[Fahran]

No, it won't. You can have a religious society without enshrining that religion into the state.

Show me an example in the world that this worked.

It worked in the United States, off and on, until the 1960's. I still maintain that we need another Great Awakening.

[Fahran]

Would you say that secularism allows the use of religious reasoning for public policy?

as long as they accept it would face scrutiny from athiests and potentially other religions

Um, secularism, in theory, does not allow religious reasoning to justify public policy.

[Totally Not OEP]

Show me an example in the world that this worked.

It worked in the United States, off and on, until the 1960's. I still maintain that we need another Great Awakening.

Which proves my point; the end result is inevitably the same.

[North German Realm]

the definition is simply a system that does not show favourtism to any religion. what people do with that definition is their business entirely.

Would you say that secularism allows the use of religious reasoning for public policy?

By definition it does not, and that's a good thing.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Would you say that secularism allows the use of religious reasoning for public policy?

By definition it does not, and that's a good thing.

Then it's certainly not treating religion equally, the state is functionally atheist.

[Fahran]

It worked in the United States, off and on, until the 1960's. I still maintain that we need another Great Awakening.

Which proves my point; the end result is inevitably the same.

My belief is that religious society can survive so long as other institutions are preserved and a forceful intellectual reaction to ideologies that spread chaos and discordance occurs. Our academy did not critically challenge communism and progressivism as they should have.

[North German Realm]

By definition it does not, and that's a good thing.

Then it's certainly not treating religion equally, the state is functionally atheist.

Atheism is not a religion. It's treating every religion equally by not letting any of them influencing legislature and public polity.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Then it's certainly not treating religion equally, the state is functionally atheist.

Atheism is not a religion. It's treating every religion equally by not letting any of them influencing legislature and public polity.

And as such non-religious reasoning has an unfair advantage in policy discussions.

[North German Realm]

Atheism is not a religion. It's treating every religion equally by not letting any of them influencing legislature and public polity.

And as such non-religious reasoning has an unfair advantage in policy discussions.

Well yeah, that's the entire point of secularism.

[United Muscovite Nations]

And as such non-religious reasoning has an unfair advantage in policy discussions.

Well yeah, that's the entire point of secularism.

So yeah, it's just diet state atheism whose purpose is to take religion out of public life.

[Salus Maior]

Show me an example in the world that this worked.

It worked in the United States, off and on, until the 1960's. I still maintain that we need another Great Awakening.

Well, as a Catholic in the U.S I'd rather we not go back to Protestant dominion over education and public life.

Edit: In fact, Jews were mostly responsible for removing religion from schools and state affairs. Most of the court cases were driven by Jewish families.

[Totally Not OEP]

It worked in the United States, off and on, until the 1960's. I still maintain that we need another Great Awakening.

Well, as a Catholic in the U.S I'd rather we not go back to Protestant dominion over education and public life.

At least not those of the Upper Class New England types.

[Totally Not OEP]

Edit: In fact, Jews were mostly responsible for removing religion from schools and state affairs. Most of the court cases were driven by Jewish families.

Hmmm......

[Fahran]

Edit: In fact, Jews were mostly responsible for removing religion from schools and state affairs. Most of the court cases were driven by Jewish families.

Hmmm......

Not really that surprising. We were probably the largest non-Christian group in the United States until quite recently. That said, I think I've made my views on religion in the United States clear in the past.

Also, how'd your date with my sister of the faith go? Have we napped you yet?

[North German Realm]

Well yeah, that's the entire point of secularism.

So yeah, it's just diet state atheism whose purpose is to take religion out of public life.

Not really. Its purpose is to take religion out of legislature (and government in general). If your religion can't have a public life without imposing on the government, that's on your religion.

[Salus Maior]

Hmmm......

Not really that surprising. We were probably the largest non-Christian group in the United States until quite recently. That said, I think I've made my views on religion in the United States clear in the past.

Also, how'd your date with my sister of the faith go? Have we napped you yet?

Honestly, I'm surprised that the American Jewish community didn't go the same route as Catholics did.

"I don't like the way you run schools so we're going to RUN OUR OWN SCHOOLS, with nuns and catechism!"

[Totally Not OEP]

Hmmm......

Not really that surprising. We were probably the largest non-Christian group in the United States until quite recently. That said, I think I've made my views on religion in the United States clear in the past.

Also, how'd your date with my sister of the faith go? Have we napped you yet?

MIxed religious faith nations are untenable in the long run.

[Fahran]

Not really that surprising. We were probably the largest non-Christian group in the United States until quite recently. That said, I think I've made my views on religion in the United States clear in the past.

Also, how'd your date with my sister of the faith go? Have we napped you yet?

Honestly, I'm surprised that the American Jewish community didn't go the same route as Catholics did.

"I don't like the way you run schools so we're going to RUN OUR OWN SCHOOLS, with nuns and catechism!"

Some of us did - generally the most pious and observant.

[Hakons]

So yeah, it's just diet state atheism whose purpose is to take religion out of public life.

Not really. Its purpose is to take religion out of legislature (and government in general). If your religion can't have a public life without imposing on the government, that's on your religion.

If your secularism can't have a public life without imposing on the government, that's on your philosophy.