Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Joohan]

Impossible. Secularism will render the society functionally atheist.

The US is a secular state full of religion.

America is exceptional... but even still, we are significantly more secular than what we were at the beginning of our nation's history.

[Pacomia]

The US is a secular state full of religion.

America is exceptional... but even still, we are significantly more secular than what we were at the beginning of our nation's history.

1. There is nothing wrong with that.
2. Okay, then look to most of Europe. No state religion, yet still mostly religious. Much of their society was and is based around religion.

[Washington Resistance Army]

America is exceptional... but even still, we are significantly more secular than what we were at the beginning of our nation's history.

1. There is nothing wrong with that.
2. Okay, then look to most of Europe. No state religion, yet still mostly religious. Much of their society was and is based around religion.

Religion in Europe has massively died off. Plenty of people still identify as Christians, but actual practicing people have shrunk heavily.

[Neanderthaland]

1. There is nothing wrong with that.
2. Okay, then look to most of Europe. No state religion, yet still mostly religious. Much of their society was and is based around religion.

Religion in Europe has massively died off. Plenty of people still identify as Christians, but actual practicing people have shrunk heavily.

Furthermore, I'm not sure the "look to most of Europe. No state religion" argument really holds up. Some of them do have state religions.

Secular as Scandinavia is, it's officially Lutheran.

[Joohan]

America is exceptional... but even still, we are significantly more secular than what we were at the beginning of our nation's history.

1. There is nothing wrong with that.
2. Okay, then look to most of Europe. No state religion, yet still mostly religious. Much of their society was and is based around religion.

I find atheism rather distressing. Now what huh? At a cross roads ain't we? Anyways, you are aware that Europe, though despite currently still being mostly religious,is one of the least religious regions on the planet right? Two hundred years ago, atheism was only just coming into being, with a few blood thirsty radicals. Everyone was a Christian, or religious to some degree.Now, places like the Czech republic have more avowed atheists than Christians.

[Pacomia]

1. There is nothing wrong with that.
2. Okay, then look to most of Europe. No state religion, yet still mostly religious. Much of their society was and is based around religion.

I find atheism rather distressing. Now what huh? At a cross roads ain't we? Anyways, you are aware that Europe, though despite currently still being mostly religious,is one of the least religious regions on the planet right? Two hundred years ago, atheism was only just coming into being, with a few blood thirsty radicals. Everyone was a Christian, or religious to some degree.Now, places like the Czech republic have more avowed atheists than Christians.

Even as it’s the least religious place on the planet, not one of its countries is more than 50% Atheist.

Or then what about Latin America- very strongly Catholic, though none of its nations with the exception of Costa Rica have a state religion.

[Kowani]

1. There is nothing wrong with that.
2. Okay, then look to most of Europe. No state religion, yet still mostly religious. Much of their society was and is based around religion.

I find atheism rather distressing. Now what huh? At a cross roads ain't we? Anyways, you are aware that Europe, though despite currently still being mostly religious,is one of the least religious regions on the planet right? Two hundred years ago, atheism was only just coming into being, with a few blood thirsty radicals. Everyone was a Christian, or religious to some degree.Now, places like the Czech republic have more avowed atheists than Christians.

That has some to do with secularism, but material conditions changing really cannot be neglected.

[Joohan]

I find atheism rather distressing. Now what huh? At a cross roads ain't we? Anyways, you are aware that Europe, though despite currently still being mostly religious,is one of the least religious regions on the planet right? Two hundred years ago, atheism was only just coming into being, with a few blood thirsty radicals. Everyone was a Christian, or religious to some degree.Now, places like the Czech republic have more avowed atheists than Christians.

Even as it’s the least religious place on the planet, not one of its countries is more than 50% Atheist.

Or then what about Latin America- very strongly Catholic, though none of its nations with the exception of Costa Rica have a state religion.

200 years ago, atheists wouldn't make up 1% of any given population. Now, they being over 20% is rather common across much of the world.

As for latin America,they too are steadily becoming less religious.

[Pacomia]

1. There is nothing wrong with that.
2. Okay, then look to most of Europe. No state religion, yet still mostly religious. Much of their society was and is based around religion.

I find atheism rather distressing. Now what huh? At a cross roads ain't we? Anyways, you are aware that Europe, though despite currently still being mostly religious,is one of the least religious regions on the planet right? Two hundred years ago, atheism was only just coming into being, with a few blood thirsty radicals. Everyone was a Christian, or religious to some degree.Now, places like the Czech republic have more avowed atheists than Christians.

Even as it’s the least religious place on the planet, not one of its countries is more than 50% Atheist.

Or then what about Latin America- very strongly Catholic, though none of its nations with the exception of Costa Rica have a state religion.

[Neanderthaland]

Even as it’s the least religious place on the planet, not one of its countries is more than 50% Atheist.

Or then what about Latin America- very strongly Catholic, though none of its nations with the exception of Costa Rica have a state religion.

200 years ago, atheists wouldn't make up 1% of any given population. Now, they being over 20% is rather common across much of the world.

As for latin America,they too are steadily becoming less religious.

Good.

[Neanderthaland]

I find atheism rather distressing. Now what huh? At a cross roads ain't we? Anyways, you are aware that Europe, though despite currently still being mostly religious,is one of the least religious regions on the planet right? Two hundred years ago, atheism was only just coming into being, with a few blood thirsty radicals. Everyone was a Christian, or religious to some degree.Now, places like the Czech republic have more avowed atheists than Christians.

Even as it’s the least religious place on the planet, not one of its countries is more than 50% Atheist.

Or then what about Latin America- very strongly Catholic, though none of its nations with the exception of Costa Rica have a state religion.

And El Salvador and Bolivia.

[Joohan]

I find atheism rather distressing. Now what huh? At a cross roads ain't we? Anyways, you are aware that Europe, though despite currently still being mostly religious,is one of the least religious regions on the planet right? Two hundred years ago, atheism was only just coming into being, with a few blood thirsty radicals. Everyone was a Christian, or religious to some degree.Now, places like the Czech republic have more avowed atheists than Christians.

That has some to do with secularism, but material conditions changing really cannot be neglected.

I disagree. In my experience, most people do not become atheist because they're more well off or more educated - I've found apathy to be the greatest perpetrator of atheism. Secularism is merely symptom to a greater problem, end-game liberalism. In liberal societies, it's rather easy to just be apathetic to anything beyond your own isolated bubble of entertainment and wish fulfillment.

[Joohan]

200 years ago, atheists wouldn't make up 1% of any given population. Now, they being over 20% is rather common across much of the world.

As for latin America,they too are steadily becoming less religious.

Good.

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[Neanderthaland]

Good.

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[Kowani]

That has some to do with secularism, but material conditions changing really cannot be neglected.

I disagree. In my experience, most people do not become atheist because they're more well off or more educated - I've found apathy to be the greatest perpetrator of atheism. Secularism is merely symptom to a greater problem, end-game liberalism. In liberal societies, it's rather easy to just be apathetic to anything beyond your own isolated bubble of entertainment and wish fulfillment.

Well, you’d just be plain wrong. Now, the correlation is not the greatest, but it’s the most complete dataset I could find. The problem? The US is a heavily Christian culture-which helps explain a lot of the religiosity in college grads. If you go overseas, these trends would only grow.

As for material conditions, well. Not having to pray to god for rain for your crops or illness…yeah. God has more purposes than just what he directly does for people, but not actually needing him until after you die kinda cuts back on his authority.

[Joohan]

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[Joohan]

I disagree. In my experience, most people do not become atheist because they're more well off or more educated - I've found apathy to be the greatest perpetrator of atheism. Secularism is merely symptom to a greater problem, end-game liberalism. In liberal societies, it's rather easy to just be apathetic to anything beyond your own isolated bubble of entertainment and wish fulfillment.

Well, you’d just be plain wrong. Now, the correlation is not the greatest, but it’s the most complete dataset I could find. The problem? The US is a heavily Christian culture-which helps explain a lot of the religiosity in college grads. If you go overseas, these trends would only grow.

As for material conditions, well. Not having to pray to god for rain for your crops or illness…yeah. God has more purposes than just what he directly does for people, but not actually needing him until after you die kinda cuts back on his authority.

The first point I don't agree with. Though it does show that, typically, one will find a higher percentage of irreligious people attending college's, it does not say that college education is a direct result of their irreligiousity. I would contend that such feelings, most likely, began at an earlier date - and that the correlation is likely due to some other social aspect.

This is a flawed view of what prayer is and it's purpose - one not preached by any church that I am aware of. Prayer is a communion with God, not you sitting on his lap and asking him for things come Christmas. What's more, you would equate that a majority of praying people only pray so that they might receive material benefits. I don't know were you would get such an idea - but I am open to hear your thoughts. There've been numerous correlations between material wealth and social isolation - which I believe is the true cause of increasing levels of atheism.

[Totally Not OEP]

We should legalize certain drugs and tax them.

[Totally Not OEP]

Religion in Europe has massively died off. Plenty of people still identify as Christians, but actual practicing people have shrunk heavily.

Furthermore, I'm not sure the "look to most of Europe. No state religion" argument really holds up. Some of them do have state religions.

Secular as Scandinavia is, it's officially Lutheran.

There is actually an argument that the official status of Lutheranism is why it's so weak there.

[Neanderthaland]

Furthermore, I'm not sure the "look to most of Europe. No state religion" argument really holds up. Some of them do have state religions.

Secular as Scandinavia is, it's officially Lutheran.

There is actually an argument that the official status of Lutheranism is why it's so weak there.

I don't disagree.

[Joohan]

There is actually an argument that the official status of Lutheranism is why it's so weak there.

I don't disagree.

same

[Dumb Ideologies]

We should legalize certain drugs and tax them.

i dunno man, coffee's a hell of a thing.

[Napkizemlja]

We should legalize certain drugs and tax them.

I'm okay with legalizing and taxing marijuana, with LSD and shrooms decriminalized for personal use, but other than that, hell no.

[Luminesa]

1. There is nothing wrong with that.
2. Okay, then look to most of Europe. No state religion, yet still mostly religious. Much of their society was and is based around religion.

Religion in Europe has massively died off. Plenty of people still identify as Christians, but actual practicing people have shrunk heavily.

It doesn’t help that despite the fact that many people are Christians and that some even go to Church, some countries are historically and currently hostile toward religious practice of any kind, private or public. Looking at you France. And Russia, though Russia puts on the big show of being a devout country. And Italy, as a lot of people got genuinely scared when Pope Francis decided to tell off the mafia.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Religion in Europe has massively died off. Plenty of people still identify as Christians, but actual practicing people have shrunk heavily.

It doesn’t help that despite the fact that many people are Christians and that some even go to Church, some countries are historically and currently hostile toward religious practice of any kind, private or public. Looking at you France. And Russia, though Russia puts on the big show of being a devout country. And Italy, as a lot of people got genuinely scared when Pope Francis decided to tell off the mafia.

Well, prior to the revolution, Russia was indeed an extremely religious country. It's less that they put on a big show as that a lot of people don't want to accept that it's a bygone era.