Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Fahran]

Looks like we have to surrender to the Japanese.

It's not even my birthday yet and I'm already receiving presents it seems.

I am a generous rebbetzin.

[Diopolis]

It's severely hindered our ability to successfully prosecute wars since the Vietnam era. We would likely have capitulated in Korea and to the Nazis and Japanese if we had allowed reporters to discuss our casualties and rationing on a daily basis and to dwell on the atrocities we committed in the pursuit of total war - such as Dresden and the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The people have a right to know what we're doing overseas unless it directly compromises national security. And if we're performing actions which would cause a free press to make us too unpopular to continue fighting, then maybe we should solve that problem by ceasing the atrocious actions rather than cracking down on the whistleblowers.

We should not be in foreign countries. We should focus on purification of our own before exposure to contamination from shithole countries.

[Novus America]

The people have a right to know what we're doing overseas unless it directly compromises national security. And if we're performing actions which would cause a free press to make us too unpopular to continue fighting, then maybe we should solve that problem by ceasing the atrocious actions rather than cracking down on the whistleblowers.

We should not be in foreign countries. We should focus on purification of our own before exposure to contamination from shithole countries.

How do you prevent exposure to anything foreign? What happens in foreign countries affects us.

This is not an either or dichotomy.
I agree we should focus on helping out people first, ignoring everywhere else would not always help our people and could hurt them. Foreign problems can cause domestic problems.

[Fahran]

We should not be in foreign countries. We should focus on purification of our own before exposure to contamination from shithole countries.

I agree with this, though a unilateral withdrawal is a bad idea and we've set ourselves up to fail hard when we try to become more internally focused.

[Duvniask]

Regarding the poll, Shinzō Abe is perhaps the perfect representation of a Japan that is stagnant and corrupt. And like a typical Nippon Kaigi turd, he denies history and glorifies the imperialist past.

[Bear Stearns]

It's severely hindered our ability to successfully prosecute wars since the Vietnam era. We would likely have capitulated in Korea and to the Nazis and Japanese if we had allowed reporters to discuss our casualties and rationing on a daily basis and to dwell on the atrocities we committed in the pursuit of total war - such as Dresden and the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The people have a right to know what we're doing overseas unless it directly compromises national security. And if we're performing actions which would cause a free press to make us too unpopular to continue fighting, then maybe we should solve that problem by ceasing the atrocious actions rather than cracking down on the whistleblowers.

It is obvious what we're doing overseas. Destabilizing opposition to neoliberal capitalism and ensuring that the Persian Gulf and South China Sea remain open.

And whatever Israel wants.

[Novus America]

Regarding the poll, Shinzō Abe is perhaps the perfect representation of a Japan that is stagnant and corrupt. And like a typical Nippon Kaigi turd, he denies history and glorifies the imperialist past.

I do not like his stance on history but that is necessary to get elected.
But he is trying, with some success to make real positive changes.
I doubt anyone else could do much better. Japan is very difficult to change, it is one of the most truly conservative societies.

[Bear Stearns]

Regarding the poll, Shinzō Abe is perhaps the perfect representation of a Japan that is stagnant and corrupt. And like a typical Nippon Kaigi turd, he denies history and glorifies the imperialist past.

I do not like his stance on history but that is necessary to get elected.
But he is trying, with some success to make real positive changes.
I doubt anyone else could do much better. Japan is very difficult to change, it is one of the most truly conservative societies.

Japan shouldn't change any more than it needs to, which really isn't all that much.

[Novus America]

I do not like his stance on history but that is necessary to get elected.
But he is trying, with some success to make real positive changes.
I doubt anyone else could do much better. Japan is very difficult to change, it is one of the most truly conservative societies.

Japan shouldn't change any more than it needs to, which really isn't all that much.

It does need to legally recognize and strengthen its military (which Abe has worked to do), create a more family friendly working culture (he has done some steps towards this) and improve its demographics.

[Fahran]

And whatever Israel wants.

Bibi wishes. Honestly, we've actively prevented Israel from bombing Iran's nuclear facilities in the past to further our own attempts to broker peace with Iran. We should probably have given them freer rein at that time since Iran isn't going to become our friend any time soon.

[Nova Cyberia]

And whatever Israel wants.

Bibi wishes. Honestly, we've actively prevented Israel from bombing Iran's nuclear facilities in the past to further our own attempts to broker peace with Iran. We should probably have given them freer rein at that time since Iran isn't going to become our friend any time soon.

Our past president had something of an obsession with trying to be the one who could cut a deal with Iran. Didn't really care about the cost.

[Fahran]

Our past president had something of an obsession with trying to be the one who could cut a deal with Iran. Didn't really care about the cost.

Yeppers. My main point is that we haven't really been dramatically pro-Israel in our foreign policy. We've prevented the UN from interfering and we've sold weapons to Israel, but our foreign policy doesn't really center around their security needs because the recent instability in Syria, Egypt, and Iraq is not ideal for Israel, especially not when it strengthens Iran and creates a bunch of Sunni militants.

[Totally Not OEP]

Our past president had something of an obsession with trying to be the one who could cut a deal with Iran. Didn't really care about the cost.

Yeppers. My main point is that we haven't really been dramatically pro-Israel in our foreign policy. We've prevented the UN from interfering and we've sold weapons to Israel, but our foreign policy doesn't really center around their security needs because the recent instability in Syria, Egypt, and Iraq is not ideal for Israel, especially not when it strengthens Iran and creates a bunch of Sunni militants.

It's extremely ideal for Israel.

[Fahran]

It's extremely ideal for Israel.

You're extremely ideal for Israel.

In all seriousness, how so? I'd take the "devil you know" approach with the Arab states, though the proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran might yield benefits, better to have it far, far away from the borders in the long-term.

[Totally Not OEP]

It's extremely ideal for Israel.

You're extremely ideal for Israel.

In all seriousness, how so? I'd take the "devil you know" approach with the Arab states, though the proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran might yield benefits, better to have it far, far away from the borders in the long-term.

A united Egypt, Syria and Iraq can present a realistic strategic threat to Israel but disunited, like as right now, they can't. There is a reason Israel never really did much about ISIS.....

[Nova Cyberia]

Honestly, our alliance with Israel has always been incredibly one-sided.

[Totally Not OEP]

Honestly should've thrown Israel under the bus to keep the Arabs on side.

[Nova Cyberia]

Honestly should've thrown Israel under the bus to keep the Arabs on side.

Eh, ISIS and Iran have done that well enough on their own. None of the Arab states are really worried about trying to wipe out Israel anymore. They've got bigger fish to fry.

[Nea Byzantia]

Honestly should've thrown Israel under the bus to keep the Arabs on side.

The British should've just left Palestine to the Palestinians.

[Duvniask]

Regarding the poll, Shinzō Abe is perhaps the perfect representation of a Japan that is stagnant and corrupt. And like a typical Nippon Kaigi turd, he denies history and glorifies the imperialist past.

I do not like his stance on history but that is necessary to get elected.

I'm quite skeptical of this notion. It is not as if it was "necessary" to be an ultra-nationalist before, in order to get elected.

But he is trying, with some success to make real positive changes.
I doubt anyone else could do much better. Japan is very difficult to change, it is one of the most truly conservative societies.

You don't "change" a conservative society, with archaic views on women and family matters, by doubling down or pretending to enact change. His policies (along with those of the rest of the LDP) on this area have mostly been a failure. The economy is still in a slump, the average real wage keeps falling and the planned tax hike is most likely gonna screw things up even more.

The worst thing is that he most likely won't suffer any repercussions because of it, because the Japanese election system is fucked beyond belief; it's one of the most disproportionate systems out there among the "democratic" countries.

[Novus America]

Honestly should've thrown Israel under the bus to keep the Arabs on side.

The British should've just left Palestine to the Palestinians.

Which Palestinians? Only the Arabs?

[Bienenhalde]

Leaving out Islamist places, recent legal immigrants are not creating problems.

Having been to Canada, and living next to Canada, I can confirm that, contrary to belief, most Canadians aren't SJWs. Maybe the administration is, but not your average Canadian. Unless you define SJW as anyone you disagree with.

Fair enough, but the administration is pretty cringe.
Though true I do not see as much ANTIFA type fanatics.

Regardless the political conflicts in the US are not driven by the fact people come from different countries, it is largely white Americans born here fighting against white Americans born here. That is causing the political fights.[/quote]

But you make it sound like white Americans are a homogeneous group. We are not. There are huge differences between white Americans based on region and ethnic origin.

[Novus America]

I do not like his stance on history but that is necessary to get elected.

I'm quite skeptical of this notion. It is not as if it was "necessary" to be an ultra-nationalist before, in order to get elected.

But he is trying, with some success to make real positive changes.
I doubt anyone else could do much better. Japan is very difficult to change, it is one of the most truly conservative societies.

You don't "change" a conservative society, with archaic views on women and family matters, by doubling down or pretending to enact change. His policies (along with those of the rest of the LDP) on this area have mostly been a failure. The economy is still in a slump, the average real wage keeps falling and the planned tax hike is most likely gonna screw things up even more.

The worst thing is that he most likely won't suffer any repercussions because of it, because the Japanese election system is fucked beyond belief; it's one of the most disproportionate systems out there among the "democratic" countries.

Abe is not an ultranationalist. And Japan has never been willing to come to terms with its history.
And he has proposed many positive policies and worked to implement them, and has made some real improvements.

Sure he has been stymied by a culture opposed to the changes. He is not an awesome leader, not a great leader, but there is also only so much he can do.

[Bienenhalde]

That's even worse. That spits on the American ideal itself. No taxation without representation.

We don't tax them, obviously. We just prevent them from doing stupid shit, after reforming their government to not be stupid.
I call it "nation building".

I think we should worry about the stupid stuff our own government is doing before we even consider interfering with the internal affairs of another modern, developed democracy like Canada.

[Novus America]

Having been to Canada, and living next to Canada, I can confirm that, contrary to belief, most Canadians aren't SJWs. Maybe the administration is, but not your average Canadian. Unless you define SJW as anyone you disagree with.

Fair enough, but the administration is pretty cringe.
Though true I do not see as much ANTIFA type fanatics.

Regardless the political conflicts in the US are not driven by the fact people come from different countries, it is largely white Americans born here fighting against white Americans born here. That is causing the political fights.

But you make it sound like white Americans are a homogeneous group. We are not. There are huge differences between white Americans based on region and ethnic origin.[/quote]

And the difference in ethnic origin is not the cause of the problems. ANTIFA although lily white, has white Americans from all regions and ethnic origins.