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Has Shinzo Abe's leadership been good for Japan?

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Postby Novus America » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:25 am

North German Realm wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:There is a difference. Free market capitalism calls for competition between rival companies, not a handful of oligarchs being handed entire monopolies for pennies on the dollar, after communism comes to an end.

As for those backroom deals, they can be banned, especially if something is going on like fraud.

Wouldn't be much of a free market if you ban the market from doing something though, is it?


Completely free markets do not exist. Only ancaps believe in them. Liber might be more free market than you or me but they are not an ancap.

Economic freedom is relative.
And in fact most Post Soviet States have poor economic freedom. The government rigging the market in favor of government officials, transferring government property to them via corrupt deals and the like is not a very free market.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:33 am

Random update for those of you interested in my experiences with co-ed living: When you're the "Dad" of some Sorority girls and establish a good reputation as a trustworthy guy, you somehow end up becoming the Uber of all drunk girls in that sorority. Expanding on that, once you start talking to a lot of these girls, you begin to realize how deep the crisis of fatherhood is in America; many of them have seen their parents divorced multiple times and have horrible relationships with both. However, this is especially true in the case of their fathers, as they've just never had the chance to experience what that's like. If we as Rightists want to start fixing the problems with America, fixing families has absolutely got to be the started.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:18 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:Random update for those of you interested in my experiences with co-ed living: When you're the "Dad" of some Sorority girls and establish a good reputation as a trustworthy guy, you somehow end up becoming the Uber of all drunk girls in that sorority. Expanding on that, once you start talking to a lot of these girls, you begin to realize how deep the crisis of fatherhood is in America; many of them have seen their parents divorced multiple times and have horrible relationships with both. However, this is especially true in the case of their fathers, as they've just never had the chance to experience what that's like. If we as Rightists want to start fixing the problems with America, fixing families has absolutely got to be the started.


It should be noted that the massive increase in African American urban crime in in the late 60s to 70s directly corresponds to the collapse of the family structure.
Certainly if people are raised in a broken home, they are more likely to live a broken life.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Greater Loegria » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:34 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:Random update for those of you interested in my experiences with co-ed living: When you're the "Dad" of some Sorority girls and establish a good reputation as a trustworthy guy, you somehow end up becoming the Uber of all drunk girls in that sorority. Expanding on that, once you start talking to a lot of these girls, you begin to realize how deep the crisis of fatherhood is in America; many of them have seen their parents divorced multiple times and have horrible relationships with both. However, this is especially true in the case of their fathers, as they've just never had the chance to experience what that's like. If we as Rightists want to start fixing the problems with America, fixing families has absolutely got to be the started.

Mate this isn’t a blog to post on your ostensible university activity.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:43 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:Random update for those of you interested in my experiences with co-ed living: When you're the "Dad" of some Sorority girls and establish a good reputation as a trustworthy guy, you somehow end up becoming the Uber of all drunk girls in that sorority. Expanding on that, once you start talking to a lot of these girls, you begin to realize how deep the crisis of fatherhood is in America; many of them have seen their parents divorced multiple times and have horrible relationships with both. However, this is especially true in the case of their fathers, as they've just never had the chance to experience what that's like. If we as Rightists want to start fixing the problems with America, fixing families has absolutely got to be the started.

Mate this isn’t a blog to post on your ostensible university activity.


Here though it was actually relevant, as it brings up the problems caused by the collapse of American family structure.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Greater Loegria » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:47 am

Novus America wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Mate this isn’t a blog to post on your ostensible university activity.


Here though it was actually relevant, as it brings up the problems caused by the collapse of American family structure.

I just think he’s using it as a vessel to prove that he’s a beer (if American drink can be called such) chugging ‘lad’. No one really cares and it’s specious at best.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:17 am

Novus America wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Mate this isn’t a blog to post on your ostensible university activity.


Here though it was actually relevant, as it brings up the problems caused by the collapse of American family structure.


This was my point and I was sharing anecdotal data; I've known the stats and research for awhile, but this year I've gotten the chance to see it first hand and it's had an impact on me in that it really underscores how big an issue it is. A lot of the posters in this thread bemoan promiscuity and in general I agree, but realistically we have to move beyond just taking it solely as a "matter of personal choice"; there's real social reasons behind it and if you want to address the effects, you have to address the root causes.
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Postby Locus Praemonstratus » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:19 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Here though it was actually relevant, as it brings up the problems caused by the collapse of American family structure.

I just think he’s using it as a vessel to prove that he’s a beer (if American drink can be called such) chugging ‘lad’. No one really cares and it’s specious at best.

No offence, but you literally have a factbook wherein you call yourself a ‘bon viveur’...
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:19 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Here though it was actually relevant, as it brings up the problems caused by the collapse of American family structure.

I just think he’s using it as a vessel to prove that he’s a beer (if American drink can be called such) chugging ‘lad’. No one really cares and it’s specious at best.


If I was trying to make a flex I could pick a lot better things rather than a long winded, somewhat nerdy post about fatherhood and the effects of the lack thereof.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:19 am

Locus Praemonstratus wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:I just think he’s using it as a vessel to prove that he’s a beer (if American drink can be called such) chugging ‘lad’. No one really cares and it’s specious at best.

No offence, but you literally have a factbook wherein you call yourself a ‘bon viveur’...

Yeah but that’s there, not here.
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Postby Locus Praemonstratus » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:21 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Locus Praemonstratus wrote:No offence, but you literally have a factbook wherein you call yourself a ‘bon viveur’...

Yeah but that’s there, not here.

Bit rich to call it specious, though, no?
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Postby Greater Loegria » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:22 am

Locus Praemonstratus wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Yeah but that’s there, not here.

Bit rich to call it specious, though, no?

I’m not the one listing my specific exploits.
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Postby Locus Praemonstratus » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:25 am

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Locus Praemonstratus wrote:Bit rich to call it specious, though, no?

I’m not the one listing my specific exploits.

But those exploits have points behind them, unless OEP is drunk, which is quite often admittedly.
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Postby Nakena » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:27 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Here though it was actually relevant, as it brings up the problems caused by the collapse of American family structure.


This was my point and I was sharing anecdotal data; I've known the stats and research for awhile, but this year I've gotten the chance to see it first hand and it's had an impact on me in that it really underscores how big an issue it is. A lot of the posters in this thread bemoan promiscuity and in general I agree, but realistically we have to move beyond just taking it solely as a "matter of personal choice"; there's real social reasons behind it and if you want to address the effects, you have to address the root causes.


Heavens beware something potentially related to realities out there to disturb the comfy safe space that this thread is!
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:30 am

Locus Praemonstratus wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:I’m not the one listing my specific exploits.

But those exploits have points behind them, unless OEP is drunk, which is quite often admittedly.


Three monsters and an all nighter doing homework, so no; even I have standards.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:40 am

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Totally Not OEP wrote:
This was my point and I was sharing anecdotal data; I've known the stats and research for awhile, but this year I've gotten the chance to see it first hand and it's had an impact on me in that it really underscores how big an issue it is. A lot of the posters in this thread bemoan promiscuity and in general I agree, but realistically we have to move beyond just taking it solely as a "matter of personal choice"; there's real social reasons behind it and if you want to address the effects, you have to address the root causes.


Heavens beware something potentially related to realities out there to disturb the comfy safe space that this thread is!


I know it's a stereotypical answer and probably pretty unlikely in our modern culture, but one starting place is to reform marriage and divorce law. No Fault Divorce is obviously the cause of the rise in divorces from the 1960s on and even today is a big issue; yes, the divorce rate has fallen, but that's because marriage rates have collapsed. On the anecdotal level, just about everyone I talk to cites the possibility as a reason they're nervous about committing to long term relationships and marriage in particular; they don't want any hypothetical kids to go through what they've been through or seen happened to others, nor do they want that mental trauma on their own.

Economics is the next, and also equally important aspect. I'm repeatedly extolled the virtues of combining the Child Tax Credit and Earned Income Tax Credit to fund the proposed GAIN Act. Likewise, from the savings generated from that in addition to other new taxes or perhaps other reforms, you could institute a NIT on top of the existing welfare system. This would help families significantly, as data has already shown on the much less ambitious current EITC. Outside of Government tax credits and the like, we also need to be focused on getting good paying jobs back. Both the Manhattan Institute and Brookings Institute, a Right leaning and Left leaning set of think tanks, have shown we could have seen the largest industrial employment in raw numbers in American history within the last few decades and there is still a realistic prospect of such going into the future if we seek to do the right reforms now.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:48 am

Was rereading a book about Jesuit missionaries under Francis Xavier.
When Yajiro touched on the focus of Shingon devotion, the cosmic Buddha Dainichi 大日, mention of a god-like figure or "buddha" without beginning or end, limitless, eternal, and as the ultimate essence of the universe must have struck a cord with Xavier. We are told that under the impression that a form of the Judeo-Christian God had reached Japan under a different name, Xavier walked the streets of Yamaguchi exhorting the populace to "pray to Dainichi!" (Dainichi o ogami are!). It was not long, however, before he learned that Dainichi was not the personal God of Christianity he thought he was, but rather the impersonal substratum, the "material beneath things" that corresponded to the materia prima of the Scholastics. This promoted Xavier to order the Jesuit brother Juan Fernandez to walk the streets urging people "Do not worship Dainichi!" (Dainichi na ogami asso!), who was now portrayed as a clever invention of the Devil.


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Postby Fahran » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:55 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:Random update for those of you interested in my experiences with co-ed living: When you're the "Dad" of some Sorority girls and establish a good reputation as a trustworthy guy, you somehow end up becoming the Uber of all drunk girls in that sorority. Expanding on that, once you start talking to a lot of these girls, you begin to realize how deep the crisis of fatherhood is in America; many of them have seen their parents divorced multiple times and have horrible relationships with both. However, this is especially true in the case of their fathers, as they've just never had the chance to experience what that's like. If we as Rightists want to start fixing the problems with America, fixing families has absolutely got to be the started.

I absolutely agree with this assessment, and, in fact, it is one of the main thrusts of my politics and social views. And, beyond that, thank you so much for taking care of my fellow NPC sisters and doing so much good in your university community. I wish more people were like that.

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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:59 am

Hanafuridake wrote:Was rereading a book about Jesuit missionaries under Francis Xavier.
When Yajiro touched on the focus of Shingon devotion, the cosmic Buddha Dainichi 大日, mention of a god-like figure or "buddha" without beginning or end, limitless, eternal, and as the ultimate essence of the universe must have struck a cord with Xavier. We are told that under the impression that a form of the Judeo-Christian God had reached Japan under a different name, Xavier walked the streets of Yamaguchi exhorting the populace to "pray to Dainichi!" (Dainichi o ogami are!). It was not long, however, before he learned that Dainichi was not the personal God of Christianity he thought he was, but rather the impersonal substratum, the "material beneath things" that corresponded to the materia prima of the Scholastics. This promoted Xavier to order the Jesuit brother Juan Fernandez to walk the streets urging people "Do not worship Dainichi!" (Dainichi na ogami asso!), who was now portrayed as a clever invention of the Devil.


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Postby Totally Not OEP » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:18 am

Spain and the Portuguese should've allied with the Koreans; they were more amendable to missionary efforts and it could've given them an opening later on into both Japan and China.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:19 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:Random update for those of you interested in my experiences with co-ed living: When you're the "Dad" of some Sorority girls and establish a good reputation as a trustworthy guy, you somehow end up becoming the Uber of all drunk girls in that sorority. Expanding on that, once you start talking to a lot of these girls, you begin to realize how deep the crisis of fatherhood is in America; many of them have seen their parents divorced multiple times and have horrible relationships with both. However, this is especially true in the case of their fathers, as they've just never had the chance to experience what that's like. If we as Rightists want to start fixing the problems with America, fixing families has absolutely got to be the started.

And cohabitation is one of the main drivers of the collapse of the family structure.
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Fahran wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:Random update for those of you interested in my experiences with co-ed living: When you're the "Dad" of some Sorority girls and establish a good reputation as a trustworthy guy, you somehow end up becoming the Uber of all drunk girls in that sorority. Expanding on that, once you start talking to a lot of these girls, you begin to realize how deep the crisis of fatherhood is in America; many of them have seen their parents divorced multiple times and have horrible relationships with both. However, this is especially true in the case of their fathers, as they've just never had the chance to experience what that's like. If we as Rightists want to start fixing the problems with America, fixing families has absolutely got to be the started.

I absolutely agree with this assessment, and, in fact, it is one of the main thrusts of my politics and social views. And, beyond that, thank you so much for taking care of my fellow NPC sisters and doing so much good in your university community. I wish more people were like that.


I think you go too far into assuming blame largely lies with the men for this situation, however.
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Diopolis wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:Random update for those of you interested in my experiences with co-ed living: When you're the "Dad" of some Sorority girls and establish a good reputation as a trustworthy guy, you somehow end up becoming the Uber of all drunk girls in that sorority. Expanding on that, once you start talking to a lot of these girls, you begin to realize how deep the crisis of fatherhood is in America; many of them have seen their parents divorced multiple times and have horrible relationships with both. However, this is especially true in the case of their fathers, as they've just never had the chance to experience what that's like. If we as Rightists want to start fixing the problems with America, fixing families has absolutely got to be the started.

And cohabitation is one of the main drivers of the collapse of the family structure.


More of an effect than a cause, as that societal standard didn't just change all of sudden and for no reason. And, for the record since I know what you're attempting to say here, no, we're just roommates with regards to the ones I live with.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:31 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:Spain and the Portuguese should've allied with the Koreans; they were more amendable to missionary efforts and it could've given them an opening later on into both Japan and China.


In the Joseon period where it was outlawed by the king as an evil religion?
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:33 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Diopolis wrote:And cohabitation is one of the main drivers of the collapse of the family structure.


More of an effect than a cause, as that societal standard didn't just change all of sudden and for no reason.

And the cause is the pill and increasing normalization of sexual degeneracy.
And, for the record since I know what you're attempting to say here, no, we're just roommates with regards to the ones I live with.

I know you’re not sleeping with them. Just hooking up with their friends, as if that’s any better. But cohabitation has problems to it beyond the fornication aspect(which you admit this encourages, even if indirect)- there’s the public scandal as well.
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