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Has Shinzo Abe's leadership been good for Japan?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:37 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:The 50 Prince Electors have cast their votes, and they have chosen Donald Trump to be the Imperial President of the Holy American Empire.

Reports of violent riots amongst cities of dissenting states will be but a footnote for this historic event.

That's not very libertarian.


There's not very many libertarians left here.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:37 am

Hanafuridake wrote:https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/07/california-repubilcans-2020-reboot-1484589

‘The Trumps will be a dynasty that lasts for decades’


Okay heaven, you had your fun and games, please get back to enforcing the mandate.

One heaven's mandate is another heaven's Trump.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:39 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:The 50 Prince Electors have cast their votes, and they have chosen Donald Trump to be the Imperial President of the Holy American Empire.

Reports of violent riots amongst cities of dissenting states will be but a footnote for this historic event.

That's not very libertarian.


Libertarism is a fair weather ideology. It has been destroyed by the harsh storms of history.

Climate change did it, if you will so.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:41 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That's not very libertarian.


There's not very many libertarians left here.

*starts sobbing*
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:43 am

Nakena wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That's not very libertarian.


Libertarism is a fair weather ideology. It has been destroyed by the harsh storms of history.

Climate change did it, if you will so.

The degree to which our current socio-political weather is stormy has been greatly overstated. Climate change is a big problem though, but not one that demands authoritarianism.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:44 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:The 50 Prince Electors have cast their votes, and they have chosen Donald Trump to be the Imperial President of the Holy American Empire.

Reports of violent riots amongst cities of dissenting states will be but a footnote for this historic event.

That's not very libertarian.

Authoritarians don’t tend to be very liberty-friendly.
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Postby Nazariles » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:50 am

Arriving back here after a good hiatus.

When it comes to the French Revolution, I would like to know whether most people here have a negative stance towards it. Since RWDT is quite diverse (ranging from Theocratic Legitimists to Hedonist Liberal Republicans), I`ll guess that the answers will differ.

What interests me is that Anti-Enlightenment ideologies are making a come back on the political stage. The Neo-Reactionary Movement (led by the God-Chosen Mencius Moldbug) has started to gain some traction. But I think in the long term that the Neoreactionary movement (full of anti-liberalism, anti-democracy and anti-egalitarianism) will remain a marginalized fringe movement unable to mobilize en masse and gaining power.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:51 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That's not very libertarian.

Authoritarians don’t tend to be very liberty-friendly.

I tend to operate based on the assumption that a person I meet is not authoritarian.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:55 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Authoritarians don’t tend to be very liberty-friendly.

I tend to operate based on the assumption that a person I meet is not authoritarian.

Someone with a political compass Social Libertarian/Authoritarian score of 6.72 is probably fairly authoritarian.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:00 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I tend to operate based on the assumption that a person I meet is not authoritarian.

Someone with a political compass Social Libertarian/Authoritarian score of 6.72 is probably fairly authoritarian.


You hopefully don't believe that this "compass" is of any proper meaning beyond some funsy forum memetics right?

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:17 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Authoritarians don’t tend to be very liberty-friendly.

I tend to operate based on the assumption that a person I meet is not authoritarian.


That's bad. You shouldn't assume the worst in people.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:32 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I tend to operate based on the assumption that a person I meet is not authoritarian.


That's bad. You shouldn't assume the worst in people.

Authoritarianism is the ideological form of assuming the worst in people.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:33 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Libertarism is a fair weather ideology. It has been destroyed by the harsh storms of history.

Climate change did it, if you will so.

The degree to which our current socio-political weather is stormy has been greatly overstated. Climate change is a big problem though, but not one that demands authoritarianism.


It demands both a new type of thinking and approach. The longer this is being delayed, the more brutal and harsh the consequences will be.

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Postby New haven america » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:36 am

Nakena wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That's not very libertarian.


Libertarism is a fair weather ideology. It has been destroyed by the harsh storms of history.

Climate change did it, if you will so.

It's not even that, it's honestly closer to authoritarianism than anything, giving how most (Not all) Libertarians act out their ideology.

They want everyone to live how they wish without government interference or pressure, while all the while acting as if everyone wants to live that way and tries forcing that way of life on others. No sorry, I like social safety nets and taxes going to federal projects that aren't just the military, thank you.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:37 am

Nakena wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Someone with a political compass Social Libertarian/Authoritarian score of 6.72 is probably fairly authoritarian.


You hopefully don't believe that this "compass" is of any proper meaning beyond some funsy forum memetics right?


If they answered it honestly then it's an indication of what they potentially believe.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:52 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Nakena wrote:
You hopefully don't believe that this "compass" is of any proper meaning beyond some funsy forum memetics right?


If they answered it honestly then it's an indication of what they potentially believe.


It usually tells me i am a sweet and cute left-liberal in the green bloc or near the center. Do you think is accurate? I mean if its indicative there would be no reason to worry about me for you... :p

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:03 am

Nakena wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
If they answered it honestly then it's an indication of what they potentially believe.


It usually tells me i am a sweet and cute left-liberal in the green bloc or near the center. Do you think is accurate? I mean if its indicative there would be no reason to worry about me for you... :p


I don't know, I don't know you well enough to properly judge your political beliefs, so for all I know you might very well be sweet and cute and inside the left-liberal green square. :p
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Postby Yuyencia » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:09 am

Nazariles wrote:Arriving back here after a good hiatus.

When it comes to the French Revolution, I would like to know whether most people here have a negative stance towards it. Since RWDT is quite diverse (ranging from Theocratic Legitimists to Hedonist Liberal Republicans), I`ll guess that the answers will differ.

What interests me is that Anti-Enlightenment ideologies are making a come back on the political stage. The Neo-Reactionary Movement (led by the God-Chosen Mencius Moldbug) has started to gain some traction. But I think in the long term that the Neoreactionary movement (full of anti-liberalism, anti-democracy and anti-egalitarianism) will remain a marginalized fringe movement unable to mobilize en masse and gaining power.

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Postby Ghost in the Shell » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:38 am

Genivaria wrote:Pan-Germanism was a political movement not a religious one that is older than Germany itself.

And the contemporary form of it was rooted in paganism.

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Yes many high ranking Nazis claimed to be Christian, their actions say otherwise. Most soldiers who fought for Germany were just ordinary Germans fighting for their country. They swore oaths to God, but Hitler didn't recognise the God of Abraham. He only used him as a way of control

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What did I make up? Nothing I said there is at odds with the historical consensus. Hitler wasn't a Christian. It's impossible to insinuate that the man who called Christianity weak and said Islam or the Shinto would be better suited to the German people, that the man who made up his own religion (Positive Christianity) which replaced Christian imagery with Nazi imagery (including replacing the Bible with Mein Kampf and the Crucifix with a Sword), that the man who authorised the SS to desecrate Catholic Churches and that the man who repeatedly decried Christianity in private was a Christian.
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Postby North German Realm » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:58 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Libertarism is a fair weather ideology. It has been destroyed by the harsh storms of history.

Climate change did it, if you will so.

The degree to which our current socio-political weather is stormy has been greatly overstated. Climate change is a big problem though, but not one that demands authoritarianism.
The problem is that while we absolutely do need authoritarianism to stop Climate Change, we also don't; because the State is pretty much under control of the very same bodies and entities that need to be forced to do something to fix climate change so if you give it authoritarian powers, its more likely to fuck up more (by banning actual research regarding climate change) than fix shit.
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Postby North German Realm » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:01 am

Ghost in the Shell wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Pan-Germanism was a political movement not a religious one that is older than Germany itself.

And the contemporary form of it was rooted in paganism.
It's not that Pan-Germanism was rooted in paganism, its that Modern paganism originally started as a way to help create a pan-German identity. (By which I mean the use of paganism as an actual religion rather than a literary wonder or something like that, which was normally the view people had of paganism during the centuries before the 19th)
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Postby Kowani » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:45 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Climate change is a big problem though, but not one that demands authoritarianism.

Yeah, none of this is true.
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Postby North German Realm » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:49 am

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Climate change is a big problem though, but not one that demands authoritarianism.

Yeah, none of this is true.

So it's not a big problem?
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Postby Kowani » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:51 am

North German Realm wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yeah, none of this is true.

So it's not a big problem?

…Fuck.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:06 am

So lads how do you feel about the revelation that Kowani is a climate change denier?
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