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Has Shinzo Abe's leadership been good for Japan?

Yes
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No
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Neko-koku
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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:27 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:
It isn't weird.

United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand ARE successful BECAUSE, not IN SPITE OF demographic displacement and death of many natives.


That is not even remotely what made America successful lol, Christ not only do you not understand genetics or science but history evades you too.

You are in denial. I'm not.

You won't ever honestly answer that question anyway because it will make you look immoral and will completely ruin your morals.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:28 am

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Except it is not how the world works or only one “race” would be left.
And people do not even agree what constitutes a race anyways.

Humans are not ants.


Are you going to resurrect Neanderthals and Denisovans if you can?

OK let me answer it for you. You won't. Nor will most other people. So basically almost nobody gives a shit about dead tribes.


We probably will when we have the technology, and how they disappeared is not entirely known and very likely do to a variety of factors, not “race war”. Anyways the difference between humans and Neanderthals was much greater than between humans of different races.

And not trying to resurrect every lost tribe =/= total race war. At all.
This is all non sequiturs.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:30 am

Neko-koku wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That is not even remotely what made America successful lol, Christ not only do you not understand genetics or science but history evades you too.

You are in denial. I'm not.

You won't ever honestly answer that question anyway because it will make you look immoral and will completely ruin your morals.


Oh I don't think you're in denial, I just think you're fucking wrong and don't even know it lol. America was able to become a successful great power because of an extreme overabundance of land, resources, geographical isolation from its enemies, a population that was always heavily increasing etc. None of it had anything to do with your weird racialist fantasies. Go read Guns, Germs and Steel because it totally demolishes your worldview.
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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:30 am

Novus America wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:
Are you going to resurrect Neanderthals and Denisovans if you can?

OK let me answer it for you. You won't. Nor will most other people. So basically almost nobody gives a shit about dead tribes.


We probably will when we have the technology, and how they disappeared is not entirely known and very likely do to a variety of factors, not “race war”. Anyways the difference between humans and Neanderthals was much greater than between humans of different races.


The actual amount of genetic difference is irrelevant in tribal wars. Do you give enough of a shit about Dzungars to resurrect them for example? Don't virtue signal..Be honest. You know you don't. I know you don't. There will never be justice for those massacred in successful genocides.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:31 am

Neko-koku wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Race war. Duh.

It is not a "duh". Instead what would have happened is that Leopoldville would have been a modern white city indistinguishable from Brussels and that people wouldn't have given more shit about the exterminated compared to the amount of concerns we have about Neanderthals.

Deep down you know that's how the world works, everybody else knows that's how the world works. I'm one of the few people who actually explicitly talk about it though..

But we don't think the world works that way because we have enough passing familiarity with history and basic economics to understand that pouring all your resources into maniacally mass-murdering your potential workforce is not a good economic model. Your views are not merely morally abhorrent, they're also irrational and self-harming.
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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:31 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:You are in denial. I'm not.

You won't ever honestly answer that question anyway because it will make you look immoral and will completely ruin your morals.


Oh I don't think you're in denial, I just think you're fucking wrong and don't even know it lol. America was able to become a successful great power because of an extreme overabundance of land, resources, geographical isolation from its enemies, a population that was always heavily increasing etc. None of it had anything to do with your weird racialist fantasies. Go read Guns, Germs and Steel because it totally demolishes your worldview.


How did America get an overabundance of land & resources anyway? Lol.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:34 am

Neko-koku wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Oh I don't think you're in denial, I just think you're fucking wrong and don't even know it lol. America was able to become a successful great power because of an extreme overabundance of land, resources, geographical isolation from its enemies, a population that was always heavily increasing etc. None of it had anything to do with your weird racialist fantasies. Go read Guns, Germs and Steel because it totally demolishes your worldview.


How did America get an overabundance of land & resources anyway? Lol.


Just so you know we by and large didn't genocide the natives. The overwhelming amount of deaths came from contact with European diseases that they had no immunity to. That's not to discount that yes some shitty actions did happen towards the natives for sure, but it wasn't like your idyllic race war.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:34 am

I’m done. I’m done. Overall, this website is beyond redemption; this message is to inform y’all that I’m going to be leaving for an indefinite length of time. I don’t want to come back to this thoroughly rotten corner of the internet. My offline life has never been better; I might as well enjoy it without the constant toxicity of NSG and the weight of the cringe-posts I made when I was a kid. So I guess this is farewell.
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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:36 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:
How did America get an overabundance of land & resources anyway? Lol.


Just so you know we by and large didn't genocide the natives. The overwhelming amount of deaths came from contact with European diseases that they had no immunity to. That's not to discount that yes some shitty actions did happen towards the natives for sure, but it wasn't like your idyllic race war.


And you know that the remaining Native Reservations ARE resource hogs...
We are mutant Japanese kitty cats that have taken over a post-human world which was destroyed due to human hatred towards other humans.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:36 am

Neko-koku wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That is not even remotely what made America successful lol, Christ not only do you not understand genetics or science but history evades you too.

You are in denial. I'm not.

You won't ever honestly answer that question anyway because it will make you look immoral and will completely ruin your morals.


Obviously the arrival of large numbers of Europeans and Africans, and later others made America what it is today, the mistreatment of the native populations was not at all necessary for it.
We could have and now do coexist.
___|_|___ _|__*__|_

Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:36 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:I’m done. I’m done. Overall, this website is beyond redemption; this message is to inform y’all that I’m going to be leaving for an indefinite length of time. I don’t want to come back to this thoroughly rotten corner of the internet. My offline life has never been better; I might as well enjoy it without the constant toxicity of NSG and the weight of the cringe-posts I made when I was a kid. So I guess this is farewell.

I'm sorry to see you go but I wish you all the best.

People who make farewell posts have a tendency to end up back here anyway.
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Neko-koku
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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:37 am

Novus America wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:You are in denial. I'm not.

You won't ever honestly answer that question anyway because it will make you look immoral and will completely ruin your morals.


Obviously the arrival of large numbers of Europeans and Africans, and later others made America what it is today, the mistreatment of the native populations was not at all necessary for it.
We could have and now do coexist.


Haha. There is no good deed left unpunished...because..because the universe is evil.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:38 am

Neko-koku wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Just so you know we by and large didn't genocide the natives. The overwhelming amount of deaths came from contact with European diseases that they had no immunity to. That's not to discount that yes some shitty actions did happen towards the natives for sure, but it wasn't like your idyllic race war.


And you know that the remaining Native Reservations ARE resource hogs...


I literally live on tribal land lol, I know the situation far better than you do.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:40 am

Neko-koku wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Obviously the arrival of large numbers of Europeans and Africans, and later others made America what it is today, the mistreatment of the native populations was not at all necessary for it.
We could have and now do coexist.


Haha. There is no good deed left unpunished...because..because the universe is evil.


I am not sure what you are saying here. And the universe is not “evil” it does not have agency or consciousness.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:42 am

Novus America wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:
Haha. There is no good deed left unpunished...because..because the universe is evil.


I am not sure what you are saying here. And the universe is not “evil” it does not have agency or consciousness.


The universe may not be technically evil. However in reality life selects for asshats at every level..from cancer cells to Hitler.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:42 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:I’m done. I’m done. Overall, this website is beyond redemption; this message is to inform y’all that I’m going to be leaving for an indefinite length of time. I don’t want to come back to this thoroughly rotten corner of the internet. My offline life has never been better; I might as well enjoy it without the constant toxicity of NSG and the weight of the cringe-posts I made when I was a kid. So I guess this is farewell.

I hope I didn't contribute to that toxicity. Farewell and good luck.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:42 am

Neko-koku wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Just so you know we by and large didn't genocide the natives. The overwhelming amount of deaths came from contact with European diseases that they had no immunity to. That's not to discount that yes some shitty actions did happen towards the natives for sure, but it wasn't like your idyllic race war.


And you know that the remaining Native Reservations ARE resource hogs...


The majority of Native Americans DO NOT even live on reservations!

Yes there are issues with that he conditions on many reservations that need to be addressed, but that is not representative of the entire or even majority experience of Native Americans today.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:43 am

While I can't speak for every tribe in the country I know the Nisqually and Puyallup bring in bucket loads of money and most certainly aren't "resource hogs".
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Postby Turbofolkia » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:44 am

Neko-koku wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You have a serious genocide fetish and it's really weird


It isn't weird.

United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand ARE successful BECAUSE, not IN SPITE OF demographic displacement and death of many natives.

That's an elephant in the room almost nobody is willing to notice.

New Zealand signed a treaty with the Māori and there are parts of New Zealand where Māori are in the majority. That’s hardly a displacement. Funnily enough, I would argue that it is objectively the most successful (if not then Australia) of the four countries you just listed.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:44 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:I’m done. I’m done. Overall, this website is beyond redemption; this message is to inform y’all that I’m going to be leaving for an indefinite length of time. I don’t want to come back to this thoroughly rotten corner of the internet. My offline life has never been better; I might as well enjoy it without the constant toxicity of NSG and the weight of the cringe-posts I made when I was a kid. So I guess this is farewell.

I hope I didn't contribute to that toxicity. Farewell and good luck.

Even if you did, don't beat yourself up about it. If you spend enough time anywhere, eventually you're going to say something cringey.

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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:45 am

Novus America wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:
And you know that the remaining Native Reservations ARE resource hogs...


The majority of Native Americans DO NOT even live on reservations!

Yes there are issues with that he conditions on many reservations that need to be addressed, but that is not representative of the entire or even majority experience of Native Americans today.


Yet they still perform a lot poorer than whites on average.

So here are my observations..

1. Without demographic displacement there could have been no America.

2. The main reason why there is so much attacks on whites is not because you guys or your ancestors were/are evil. Instead it is precisely because you guys and your ancestors are nice enough to allow those who hate you to continue to exist. After all, dead people are irrelevant. Nobody gives a shit about Canarian natives precisely because they no longer exist..
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Postby Novus America » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:47 am

Neko-koku wrote:
Novus America wrote:
I am not sure what you are saying here. And the universe is not “evil” it does not have agency or consciousness.


The universe may not be technically evil. However in reality life selects for asshats at every level..from cancer cells to Hitler.


Cancer cells are not evil, they do not have agency or consciousness either.

And Hitler lost, and lost hard.

Sure many humans suck in many ways, and there is a lot wrong with the world, but to jump from that to “literally everyone secretly wants total race war” is a complete non sequitur.
___|_|___ _|__*__|_

Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:48 am

Amusingly enough racialism is the biggest reason Hitler lost. If the Jews hadn't been purged and the eastern Europeans had been welcomed as puppets the Axis would have easily won in Europe.
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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:50 am

Novus America wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:
The universe may not be technically evil. However in reality life selects for asshats at every level..from cancer cells to Hitler.


Cancer cells are not evil, they do not have agency or consciousness either.

And Hitler lost, and lost hard.

Sure many humans suck in many ways, and there is a lot wrong with the world, but to jump from that to “literally everyone secretly wants total race war” is a complete non sequitur.


Race is often an excuse, not necessarily a goal. Resource grabbing is the real purpose. Everybody benefits from death of unrelated people no matter how much people deny that. For example quality of life temporarily increased during the Middle Ages DUE TO depopulation caused by the plague.
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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:52 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Amusingly enough racialism is the biggest reason Hitler lost. If the Jews hadn't been purged and the eastern Europeans had been welcomed as puppets the Axis would have easily won in Europe.

Nope due to the British Empire but yes antisemitism is very stupid.
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