Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[United Muscovite Nations]

Russia's armies were no longer capable of giving battle against the Germans, the Kerensky offensive had all-but destroyed the Imperial Russian Army.

A German invasion of the Russian heartland would have crippled their army.

Their army was already crippled, the Soviets signed Brest-Litovsk because they couldn't stop the advance of the German Army, the Russian government collapsed into civil war.

[Novus America]

Russia's armies were no longer capable of giving battle against the Germans, the Kerensky offensive had all-but destroyed the Imperial Russian Army.

A German invasion of the Russian heartland would have crippled their army.

Which is why Germany had no intention of doing so.
It was just going to annex part of the Baltics and create Lithuanian, Poland, Belarus and Ukraine as client states. Although it never worked out the exact details.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

The idea that the Treaty of Versailles was "harsh" is one of the greatest con jobs in history. Germany was fully capable of paying the reparations and its territorial losses were minor, excluding the colonies. You want a harsh treaty? Brest-Litovsk.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The idea that the Treaty of Versailles was "harsh" is one of the greatest con jobs in history. Germany was fully capable of paying the reparations and its territorial losses were minor, excluding the colonies. You want a harsh treaty? Brest-Litovsk.

Yup.

[Greater Loegria]

Following WW1 Germany ought to have been broken up into its pre 1870 situation of petty kingdoms and dukedoms, and divisions between them encouraged.

[Cappuccina]

Following WW1 Germany ought to have been broken up into its pre 1870 situation of petty kingdoms and dukedoms, and divisions between them encouraged.

Why?

[Greater Loegria]

Following WW1 Germany ought to have been broken up into its pre 1870 situation of petty kingdoms and dukedoms, and divisions between them encouraged.

Why?

To prevent it from ever posing a threat again. A united Germany is as for Britain. Militarily and economically.

[Bienenhalde]

Not forever. But America and two world wars accelerated our decline. Both those wars, at least for Britain could have been avoidable in the way we went in. Yeah sure some people somewhere who speak funny languages were going to get shafted but who the hell cares? Not the ordinary bloke down a mine in Wales or on his cattle farm in Wiltshire.

If Britain hadn't fought WWI, Germany would have surpassed them.

Tbh, world hegemony by imperial Germany probably would have been better than American hegemony.

[Benuty]

If Britain hadn't fought WWI, Germany would have surpassed them.

Tbh, world hegemony by imperial Germany probably would have been better than American hegemony.

No, we need Europeans to continuously engage in petty blood feuds while we are laughing off to the bank.

[Cappuccina]

Why?

To prevent it from ever posing a threat again. A united Germany is as for Britain. Militarily and economically.

Britain couldn't enforce that sort of thing.

[Novus America]

If Britain hadn't fought WWI, Germany would have surpassed them.

Tbh, world hegemony by imperial Germany probably would have been better than American hegemony.

It would have been a split hegemony. Like the Cold War but with less adversarial competition as we had less ideological differences.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

If Britain hadn't fought WWI, Germany would have surpassed them.

Tbh, world hegemony by imperial Germany probably would have been better than American hegemony.

Aren't your ancestors of German descent, though?

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Tbh, world hegemony by imperial Germany probably would have been better than American hegemony.

No, we need Europeans to continuously engage in petty blood feuds while we are laughing off to the bank.

No, we need to annex Europe into the Union.

[Greater Loegria]

To prevent it from ever posing a threat again. A united Germany is as for Britain. Militarily and economically.

Britain couldn't enforce that sort of thing.

After the war it could. It would need to be really enforced. Break it up and stoke divisions. If we’d have been lucky they might have had some horrific war to plunge them further into irrelevance.

[Benuty]

No, we need Europeans to continuously engage in petty blood feuds while we are laughing off to the bank.

No, we need to annex Europe into the Union.

I think not.

The union has more in common with fellow nations of the Americas than it ever will with Europeans.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

No, we need to annex Europe into the Union.

I think not.

The union has more in common with fellow nations of the Americas than it ever will with Europeans.

I'm confused, mate. Do you not advocate for a world state, as stated in your sig?

[Cappuccina]

Britain couldn't enforce that sort of thing.

After the war it could. It would need to be really enforced. Break it up and stoke divisions. If we’d have been lucky they might have had some horrific war to plunge them further into irrelevance.

That wouldn't happen, the German people wouldn't forget about the War just like IRL. Your idea would fail.

[Greater Loegria]

After the war it could. It would need to be really enforced. Break it up and stoke divisions. If we’d have been lucky they might have had some horrific war to plunge them further into irrelevance.

That wouldn't happen, the German people wouldn't forget about the War just like IRL. Your idea would fail.

Would it? It’s not a case of forgetting, it’s a case of dividing people.

[Benuty]

I think not.

The union has more in common with fellow nations of the Americas than it ever will with Europeans.

I'm confused, mate. Do you not advocate for a world state, as stated in your sig?

Oh, I do, but at the end of the day, it has to be done reasonably. Americans, and Mexicans as much as we kvetch on a governmental level still have more in common with each other than either does with nations such as Austria and Italy.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Britain couldn't enforce that sort of thing.

After the war it could. It would need to be really enforced. Break it up and stoke divisions. If we’d have been lucky they might have had some horrific war to plunge them further into irrelevance.

How very Catholic of you to want to plunge people into "horrific war."

[Cappuccina]

That wouldn't happen, the German people wouldn't forget about the War just like IRL. Your idea would fail.

Would it? It’s not a case of forgetting, it’s a case of dividing people.

You wouldn't be able to enforce that division, Britain was too weak to do something like that on it's own. You'd have to get allies to agree with you, they likely wouldn't.

[Benuty]

Would it? It’s not a case of forgetting, it’s a case of dividing people.

You wouldn't be able to enforce that division, Britain was too weak to do something like that on it's own. You'd have to get allies to agree with you, they likely wouldn't.

I mean a certain french political party might be able to (Action Francaise) had it ever gained power. They already drew up plans as early as 1915 to turn Germany into a war riddled hellhole and keep them so focused on fighting each other they wouldn't be a threat for some time.

[Greater Loegria]

After the war it could. It would need to be really enforced. Break it up and stoke divisions. If we’d have been lucky they might have had some horrific war to plunge them further into irrelevance.

How very Catholic of you to want to plunge people into "horrific war."

Better them than us. Had Germany ceased to exist WW2 when it came would have played out much different.

Britain has always benefited from division in Europe and its recent acceptance of a single bloc in Europe is a catastrophe for its foreign policy. Sure, folks will die. But not us, we’re an island and can choose whether or not we such to intervene.

[Cappuccina]

You wouldn't be able to enforce that division, Britain was too weak to do something like that on it's own. You'd have to get allies to agree with you, they likely wouldn't.

I mean a certain french political party might be able to (Action Francaise) had it ever gained power. They already drew up plans as early as 1915 to turn Germany into a war riddled hellhole and keep them so focused on fighting each other they wouldn't be a threat for some time.

I'm just curious about how these people magically would've made Germans fight eachother.

[Benuty]

How very Catholic of you to want to plunge people into "horrific war."

Better them than us. Had Germany ceased to exist WW2 when it came would have played out much different.

Britain has always benefited from division in Europe and its recent acceptance of a single bloc in Europe is a catastrophe for its foreign policy. Sure, folks will die. But not us, we’re an island and can choose whether or not we such to intervene.

With the Russians had the Bolsheviks lost probably would have had a reactionary movement come to power. Regardless of who won somebody still came away a loser, and a very pissed off one at that.