Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Hanafuridake]

Because (iirc) Lower Nubia is a Roman Catholic and they're the most influential Christians in the country.

That's not a good reason to equate the RCC with all Christians. You could have clarified in your post that the bit about a foreign Roman head of state applied specifically to Catholics.

I understand why you'd want to ban us Protestants from building churches, but conflating us with papists is a step too far.

Fair enough, I should have, especially since you're a pretty strong voice here about the differences between Anglicans and Catholics.

Christianity is absolutely hostile to the worship of Buddhas and kami. The second commandment is literally thou shalt have no other gods before me.

“You shall not have any gods that are more important than me.” Not “worship no other gods. Difference.

That's an interpretation which relies purely on semantics. The commandment has always been understood to mean that the Jewish people were not permitted to worship other gods, but instead must only worship YHWH, and that interpretation is upheld by the Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox Churches.

Even if we were to assume this verse allows some sort of henotheism, it is still incompatible with the worship of Buddhas and kami because they are superior to the Christian God and to worship them as inferior would be evil.

[Cappuccina]

On the topic of Muslim immigration, I don't support allowing Muslims to construct mosques or other places of worship in Japan. The reason for this is that Islam is a foreign religion from a distant land and is incompatible with the Japanese character. But then again, I feel the same way about Christianity, so until the government becomes sane and stops allowing the alien religions to propagate, I'm not going to play favorites.

I can respect this, tbh. Japan has no obligation to permit immigration of Muslims, or to allow us mosques.

[Crysuko]

On the topic of Muslim immigration, I don't support allowing Muslims to construct mosques or other places of worship in Japan. The reason for this is that Islam is a foreign religion from a distant land and is incompatible with the Japanese character. But then again, I feel the same way about Christianity, so until the government becomes sane and stops allowing the alien religions to propagate, I'm not going to play favorites.

I can respect this, tbh. Japan has no obligation to permit immigration of Muslims, or to allow us mosques.

expect liberal backlash

[Novus America]

Brazil is facing deep economic and demographic crisis.
India has the population, but not the land mass. It could eventually be, but it has not lived up to its potential.
The EU is suffering from slow economic growth, the US already has surpassed the EU in GDP. The EU is not catching up, it is falling behind.

Indonesia also has problems with insufficient resources and land mass.

True a a new union of states could shake up the game, requiring us to respond accordingly, but right now we have only one rival, and that is unlikely to change any time soon.

And of course nationalism is resurgent, not dying most places.

And the US is designed as a union capable of expansion, and we should be actively seek to expand our membership accordingly.

All these things can be resolved in time, that’s the beauty about forests, their awfully patient.

These things do not deny the reality: population and development will put equal, and greater, powers at the US’s door.

Indeed in the 1860’s I’m sure the UK gave the same arguments about German and US economic and military development lagging behind British gains - yet they blossomed rapidly.

Well one can not predict the future, and sure things can change.
Yes it will put one such power at our door, it already has.

That is the struggle for this century, the US vs the PRC.
We might lose, but we should try our best not to,
https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/US-and- ... ips-to-5th
And you should hope so as well, a PRC victory is not to your advantage.
Until 2060 at least that will be the competition barring some revolutionary changes.
Beyond that who knows?

But until 2060 the US vs PRC is the name of the game. Even by then the other trees are small.
Of course we should continually reassess and make changes as necessary but we have pretty good data predictions up until that point.

In terms of population the US is expected to remain number 3 until at least past mid century.
And population growth is rapidly slowing most places.

Actually demographically the US is doing better than most developed countries, though we should take actions to increase our birth rate, immigration and so on as well as seeing if we can incorporate some new states ideally. We can increase our population. Pretty much on demand via immigration.

Sure we absolutely may fall behind, and will not last forever. So we should seek to do what we can to ensure we remain competitive.

[Novus America]

Brazil is facing deep economic and demographic crisis.
India has the population, but not the land mass. It could eventually be, but it has not lived up to its potential.
The EU is suffering from slow economic growth, the US already has surpassed the EU in GDP. The EU is not catching up, it is falling behind.

Indonesia also has problems with insufficient resources and land mass.

True a a new union of states could shake up the game, requiring us to respond accordingly, but right now we have only one rival, and that is unlikely to change any time soon.

And of course nationalism is resurgent, not dying most places.

And the US is designed as a union capable of expansion, and we should be actively seek to expand our membership accordingly.

GDP is no substitute for stability, low inequality, and decent labor laws.

In terms of raw power GDP is.
Of course we should address the other issues as well, but that is a different matter than raw power.

Norway might be great in many ways for its size, but will nicer be a world power.

The PRC is a major world power despite sky high inequality and atrocious labor conditions.

Quality of life and power are different issues.

[Benuty]

I can respect this, tbh. Japan has no obligation to permit immigration of Muslims or to allow us mosques.

expect liberal backlash

As if the Japanese care what a bunch of westerners not in political power think. I mean they have to care what POTUS says, but not some nobody in Hollywood.

[Kowani]

“You shall not have any gods that are more important than me.” Not “worship no other gods. Difference.

That's an interpretation which relies purely on semantics.

Like the majority of the Bible?

The commandment has always been understood to mean that the Jewish people were not permitted to worship other gods, but instead must only worship YHWH, and that interpretation is upheld by the Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox Churches.

Ignoring for a moment that there’s no “Protestant Church”, there’s many pieces of doctrine that have been revised.

Even if we were to assume this verse allows some sort of henotheism, it is still incompatible with the worship of Buddhas and kami because they are superior to the Christian God and to worship them as inferior would be evil.

Yeah, I don’t actually care about the theology, because you can’t prove any of it.

[Cappuccina]

I can respect this, tbh. Japan has no obligation to permit immigration of Muslims, or to allow us mosques.

expect liberal backlash

Who cares what liberals think, seriously?

[Loben The 2nd]

expect liberal backlash

Who cares what liberals think, seriously?

Other liberals.

[Benuty]

Who cares what liberals think, seriously?

Other liberals.

No one who has to work for a living to survive that is for sure cares what liberals think.

[Loben The 2nd]

Other liberals.

No one who has to work for a living to survive that is for sure.

not all, of course.

[Kowani]

Are you done circlejerking?

[Benuty]

Are you done circlejerking?

I fail to see what this is referring to?

[Loben The 2nd]

Are you done circlejerking?

is the LWDT done discussing whether or not jesus christ was a socialist?

[Kowani]

Are you done circlejerking?

I fail to see what this is referring to?

About the previous 4 posts.

Are you done circlejerking?

is the LWDT done discussing whether or not jesus christ was a socialist?

They weren’t.

[Cappuccina]

Are you done circlejerking?

Why, does it make you randy baby?

[Benuty]

I fail to see what this is referring to?

About the previous 4 posts.

is the LWDT done discussing whether or not jesus christ was a socialist?

They weren’t.

The Japanese probably don't care what western liberals have to think especially in regards to certain region immigration or the establishment of mosques. It is not a circle jerk Kowani.

[Kowani]

Are you done circlejerking?

Why, does it make you randy baby?

[Pacomia]

Why, does it make you randy baby?

put a spoiler

[Kowani]

About the previous 4 posts.


They weren’t.

The Japanese probably don't care what western liberals have to think especially in regards to certain region immigration or the establishment of mosques. It is not a circle jerk Kowani.

That’s odd. I could’ve sworn the remarks about having a job had nothing to do with Japanese opinion.

[Bienenhalde]

I think the best answer is that separating up revolution and rule into legitimate and illegitimate is an impossible task - thus only a Godly attribute.

I'm with Lower Nubia on this one.

Though my personal opinion is that while according to the Quran, rebelling against governments unless if it's absolutely needed, is against Islam, if governments agree to recognize new nations, then, that's not against the Quran either to my knowledge.

That's where my theology differs from OT's.

I would argue that rebellion against the British government was not absolutely needed in the case of the Revolutionary War.

[Greater Loegria]

And Britain fought said war to maintain naval superiority. It fought the most damaging war in its history in terms of psychological damage to the nation and its character and then it’s debt for nothing. Utterly pyrrhic.

Whenever I am stood to attention on Remembrance Sunday as the bugle sounds the last post I am always brought to tears at the fucking waste of it all.

What did you expect, that countries would never industrialize and that Britain would maintain its worldwide naval superiority and empire forever? That's delusional, technology and economic growth spread.

Not forever. But America and two world wars accelerated our decline. Both those wars, at least for Britain could have been avoidable in the way we went in. Yeah sure some people somewhere who speak funny languages were going to get shafted but who the hell cares? Not the ordinary bloke down a mine in Wales or on his cattle farm in Wiltshire.

[United Muscovite Nations]

What did you expect, that countries would never industrialize and that Britain would maintain its worldwide naval superiority and empire forever? That's delusional, technology and economic growth spread.

Not forever. But America and two world wars accelerated our decline. Both those wars, at least for Britain could have been avoidable in the way we went in. Yeah sure some people somewhere who speak funny languages were going to get shafted but who the hell cares? Not the ordinary bloke down a mine in Wales or on his cattle farm in Wiltshire.

If Britain hadn't fought WWI, Germany would have surpassed them.

[Greater Loegria]

And Britain fought said war to maintain naval superiority. It fought the most damaging war in its history in terms of psychological damage to the nation and its character and then it’s debt for nothing. Utterly pyrrhic.

Whenever I am stood to attention on Remembrance Sunday as the bugle sounds the last post I am always brought to tears at the fucking waste of it all.
Roughly 800,000 died in WW1. As a result of conceding naval superiority their sacrifice was entirely wasted. Entirely. It was why we went to war in the first place. Not to protect some fucking frog munchers being steamrolled.

The uk is sat on demographic time bombs: low birth rates but high immigration. Our economy is largely fucked except for financial services. We are plagued by insufferable liberalism that is unaware of the incompatibility of its intersectionality. We are enchained by global capitalism and our institutions are mostly run by people with no sense of national pride. We have MPs sitting in our fucking parliament colluding with EU. It’s a disgrace and there is no reversal of any of it.

Those of us with things to say about it are shooed away as a bunch of reactionary cranks citing wild conspiracies and inciting hatred. Things will only get worse. Worse to a point where the liberal literati will regret spurning those of who were still willing to facilitate change through debate and the apparata of state. The next wave will be much more vicious and I have no desire to stand in their way.

And what alternative was there to the treaty? You could not out-build the US. Failing to sign the treaty would leave you in second place instead of tied in first.

I get why you might be upset are that loss, but WWI was a Pyrrhic victory, even in victory you were defeated.

You had no other choice. No alternative.

As for the rest I think much of it is excessively polemic, but if that is the case be a force for the change you seek, if you lose lose fighting.

There was an alternative. To not sign it. If it came to blows then so be it. Wilson hated Britain and we should have known it. The idea America came to our aid in either war is fucking bollocks. It was entirely to assert themselves as the new world order. As they had every right to do. But it was the expense of my country so now I am at liberty to grumble about it.

Of course it’s excessively polemic. My nation had been destroyed and there is nothing that can be done. I do what I can to argue my case in public but there’s only so much one can say in my country before you get brought crashing down. I need to make money and get on in life. I shall continue through the army and should I not end being reduced to pink goo by a roadside bomb in whatever third world shithole we’re sent to then I shall retire to a cottage with some livestock and crops and eke out my days shooting game, drinking and smoking.

There is nothing that can be done to reverse the ruin. Christianity will not be rekindled, immigration not stemmed, existing immigrants not repatriated, jobs and industries not returned from China, our hegemony not restored. It is finished. It is over. What is left can go to the fucking dogs. God will have his way with those responsible.

[Greater Loegria]

Not forever. But America and two world wars accelerated our decline. Both those wars, at least for Britain could have been avoidable in the way we went in. Yeah sure some people somewhere who speak funny languages were going to get shafted but who the hell cares? Not the ordinary bloke down a mine in Wales or on his cattle farm in Wiltshire.

If Britain hadn't fought WWI, Germany would have surpassed them.

Oh, the Kaiserreich needed it’s wings clipped for sure. Rushing in like that in 1914 was catastrophic.