Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Fahran]

Ethnic nationalism and racism can be mutually exclusive.

In theory…maybe. In practice, no.

Depends on the movement you're looking over. The Yiddish movement in the late nineteenth century wasn't racist by any genuine measure for instance, and that definitely constituted a form of cultural and ethnic nationalism.

[Kowani]

In theory…maybe. In practice, no.

Depends on the movement you're looking over. The Yiddish movement in the late nineteenth century wasn't racist by any genuine measure for instance, and that definitely constituted a form of cultural and ethnic nationalism.

The…creation of a language?

[Fahran]

Depends on the movement you're looking over. The Yiddish movement in the late nineteenth century wasn't racist by any genuine measure for instance, and that definitely constituted a form of cultural and ethnic nationalism.

The…creation of a language?

The conscientious explosion of literature and creative use in a language with the partial objective of crafting a Jewish identity. It mirrored the cultural and ethnic nationalism occurring in the arts across Europe.

[Novus America]

Racism is perhaps unavoidable but we can actively discourage it, reduce it, and provide civic nationalism as an alternative.

Ethnic nationalism and racism can be mutually exclusive.

Not really in the US, it has always been racist here.
Also unless the ethnicity is a pan-racial ethnicity you have an issue.

[Fahran]

Ethnic nationalism and racism can be mutually exclusive.

Not really in the US, it has always been racist here.
Also unless the ethnicity is a pan-racial ethnicity you have an issue.

Laughs in hypothetical Southern ethnicity rooted in dialect, colloquialism, cuisine, values, agrarianism, and shared cultural symbols.

[South Reinkalistan]

Ethnic nationalism and racism can be mutually exclusive.

In theory…maybe. In practice, no.

Well, I'm by no means knowledgeable on the matter, but ethnic nationalism could be seen as less racist when said ethnicity is being oppressed. For example, I know Kurdistan is a controversial case, but I believe their dreams of a united Kurdistani state are more in the interests of liberation than racism.

[Salus Maior]

Racism is perhaps unavoidable but we can actively discourage it, reduce it, and provide civic nationalism as an alternative.

Ethnic nationalism and racism can be mutually exclusive.

Not typically as far as I can see.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Racism is perhaps unavoidable but we can actively discourage it, reduce it, and provide civic nationalism as an alternative.

Ethnic nationalism and racism can be mutually exclusive.

Here, they're viewed as synonymous.

[Salus Maior]

Ethnic nationalism and racism can be mutually exclusive.

Here, they're viewed as synonymous.

In Europe it doesn't exactly have a good reputation either.

[Novus America]

Not really in the US, it has always been racist here.
Also unless the ethnicity is a pan-racial ethnicity you have an issue.

Laughs in hypothetical Southern ethnicity rooted in dialect, colloquialism, cuisine, values, agrarianism, and shared cultural symbols.

That would arguably be a more culture identity than an ethnicity.
Also I am not sure the South is the example I would use given historically it was practiced hyper racism as a method of uniting whites around the oligarchy.

[North German Realm]

Racism is perhaps unavoidable but we can actively discourage it, reduce it, and provide civic nationalism as an alternative.

Ethnic nationalism and racism can be mutually exclusive.

You'd have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to reach that.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Not really in the US, it has always been racist here.
Also unless the ethnicity is a pan-racial ethnicity you have an issue.

Laughs in hypothetical Southern ethnicity rooted in dialect, colloquialism, cuisine, values, agrarianism, and shared cultural symbols.

That'd be cultural nationalism, though.

As to my take, I think that it'd be best if my cultural values (Northerner/Yank, to be specific) were to be spread worldwide. This would accompany the global expansion of the civic institutions (reformed civic institutions, that is) of my country. Of course, I bet that y'all were already aware of my take on this topic.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Here, they're viewed as synonymous.

In Europe it doesn't exactly have a good reputation either.

I'm sure they have an even more negative view on it than we do. I wouldn't be surprised if there were calls to outlaw it over there.

[Salus Maior]

In Europe it doesn't exactly have a good reputation either.

I'm sure they have an even more negative view on it than we do. I wouldn't be surprised if there were calls to outlaw it over there.

The problem is, thanks to Wilson, most states in Europe were founded on the basis of ethnic nationalism.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Y'know, if my memory serves me right, the Empire of Japan had a somewhat similar concept to my ideals; "Hakko ichiu" I think it was called. Of course, the civic and cultural institutions in my proposed idea would be American, not Japanese, but the basic idea seems sound enough to me.

[North German Realm]

Here, they're viewed as synonymous.

In Europe it doesn't exactly have a good reputation either.

As you yourself said, almost every country in Continental Europe is built upon ethnic nationalism. Every country after 1918 anyway. It's not "ethnic nationalism" that's got a bad reputation, it's "German Nationalism"... for reasons that should be obvious.

[Salus Maior]

In Europe it doesn't exactly have a good reputation either.

As you yourself said, almost every country in Continental Europe is built upon ethnic nationalism. Every country after 1918 anyway. It's not "ethnic nationalism" that's got a bad reputation, it's "German Nationalism"... for reasons that should be obvious.

Yugoslavia.

[North German Realm]

As you yourself said, almost every country in Continental Europe is built upon ethnic nationalism. Every country after 1918 anyway. It's not "ethnic nationalism" that's got a bad reputation, it's "German Nationalism"... for reasons that should be obvious.

Yugoslavia.

Eh. One exception. (And I maintain that Yugoslavia was as far from ethnic nationalism as the Austrian Empire was. The country may have been multi-ethnic, but the Serbs were the ones in charge)

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Yugoslavia.

Eh. One exception. (And I maintain that Yugoslavia was as far from ethnic nationalism as the Austrian Empire was. The country may have been multi-ethnic, but the Serbs were the ones in charge)

Czechoslovakia?

[Salus Maior]

Yugoslavia.

Eh. One exception. (And I maintain that Yugoslavia was as far from ethnic nationalism as the Austrian Empire was. The country may have been multi-ethnic, but the Serbs were the ones in charge)

I mean the brutal violence and atrocity during Yugoslavia's collapse was due to ethnic nationalism.

[North German Realm]

Eh. One exception. (And I maintain that Yugoslavia was as far from ethnic nationalism as the Austrian Empire was. The country may have been multi-ethnic, but the Serbs were the ones in charge)

Czechoslovakia?

In which the Czechs called themselves "Czechoslovaks" and everyone in the country else disagreed with them on that?

[Old Tyrannia]

Y'know, if my memory serves me right, the Empire of Japan had a somewhat similar concept to my ideals; "Hakko ichiu" I think it was called. Of course, the civic and cultural institutions in my proposed idea would be American, not Japanese, but the basic idea seems sound enough to me.

You want to unite the world under the leadership of a semi-divine emperor?

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Y'know, if my memory serves me right, the Empire of Japan had a somewhat similar concept to my ideals; "Hakko ichiu" I think it was called. Of course, the civic and cultural institutions in my proposed idea would be American, not Japanese, but the basic idea seems sound enough to me.

You want to unite the world under the leadership of a semi-divine emperor?

> Implying that the state isn't semi-divine in of itself

Y'see, that's partially where I disagree with the Japanese thinkers on this matter. While one could present the argument that the sovereign has some form of divine backing (for lack of a better term), I'm willing to broaden it and declare that the state itself has divine backing (for lack of a better term), and that the sovereign only has such backing insofar as they are the head of state. Although, I recognize that I'm veering into statolatry here. I should probably stop.

TL;DR: The State is love, the State is life.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

In Europe it doesn't exactly have a good reputation either.

As you yourself said, almost every country in Continental Europe is built upon ethnic nationalism. Every country after 1918 anyway. It's not "ethnic nationalism" that's got a bad reputation, it's "German Nationalism"... for reasons that should be obvious.

The Nazis and the brutal atrocities they committed.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

As you yourself said, almost every country in Continental Europe is built upon ethnic nationalism. Every country after 1918 anyway. It's not "ethnic nationalism" that's got a bad reputation, it's "German Nationalism"... for reasons that should be obvious.

The Nazis and the brutal atrocities they committed.

That take is hot. Next you'll be saying that water is wet.