Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Napkizemlja]

>Tfw one of your ancestors was a Black and Tan.
It's a weird sort of feel.

What happened to him?

Died in his 80's.

[Torrocca]

Trudging through a fetid jungle while suffering malaria and surrounded by heavily armed darkies primed to kill?

Think I'll pass.

Being Freikorps in Latvia on the other hand... killing Bolshies and Latvian civvies, and when you get tired you can just trek back to Germany and write your memoirs.

Are we turning into the war-crimes fetish thread or what?

Let's be real here: this has pretty much always been a war-crimes fetish thread, in addition to the occasional discussion about right-wing ideologies.

[Hanafuridake]

Trudging through a fetid jungle while suffering malaria and surrounded by heavily armed darkies

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[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Boys, how great would it be to be armed to the teeth with old WWII weapons, surrounded by grizzled ex-Nazis, Vietnam vets, Rhodesians, and South Africans, trekking through the eastern Congo, subsisting off of paychecks from Katanga and loot from the villages as you lay waste to communist-backed Congolese armed forces?

Trudging through a fetid jungle while suffering malaria and surrounded by heavily armed darkies primed to kill?

Think I'll pass.

Being Freikorps in Latvia on the other hand... killing Bolshies and Latvian civvies, and when you get tired you can just trek back to Germany and write your memoirs.

Is it tone policing if I find your use of the word "darkies" to be a bit worrying?

[Torrocca]

Trudging through a fetid jungle while suffering malaria and surrounded by heavily armed darkies primed to kill?

Think I'll pass.

Being Freikorps in Latvia on the other hand... killing Bolshies and Latvian civvies, and when you get tired you can just trek back to Germany and write your memoirs.

Is it tone policing if I find your use of the word "darkies" to be a bit worrying?

No.

[Kowani]

Trudging through a fetid jungle while suffering malaria and surrounded by heavily armed darkies primed to kill?

Think I'll pass.

Being Freikorps in Latvia on the other hand... killing Bolshies and Latvian civvies, and when you get tired you can just trek back to Germany and write your memoirs.

Is it tone policing if I find your use of the word "darkies" to be a bit worrying?

Not at all.

[North German Realm]

Trudging through a fetid jungle while suffering malaria and surrounded by heavily armed darkies primed to kill?

Think I'll pass.

Being Freikorps in Latvia on the other hand... killing Bolshies and Latvian civvies, and when you get tired you can just trek back to Germany and write your memoirs.

Is it tone policing if I find your use of the word "darkies" to be a bit worrying?

In no way.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Is it tone policing if I find your use of the word "darkies" to be a bit worrying?

"Tone policing is an ad hominem and antidebate tactic based on criticizing a person for expressing emotion."

So, no.

[Hanafuridake]

TRVE AMERICAͶS

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I'm a simple Know Nothing, I see a nativist and I like.

I thought you were a Catholic.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

I thought you were a Catholic.

I am. The gent pictured, wearing a top hat stylishly, is Bill Cutting, a nativist Prot gang-leader in the film "Gangs of New York".

Make your own conclusion.

[Hanafuridake]

I thought you were a Catholic.

I am. The gent pictured, wearing a top hat stylishly, is Bill Cutting, a nativist Prot gang-leader in the film "Gangs of New York".

Make your own conclusion.

You're a self-hating Catholic then?

I'm glad not to be a Christian, it's way too confusing.

[Locus Praemonstratus]

I too would exclude the insidious Ir*sh from New York.

[Novus America]

Boys, how great would it be to be armed to the teeth with old WWII weapons, surrounded by grizzled ex-Nazis, Vietnam vets, Rhodesians, and South Africans, trekking through the eastern Congo, subsisting off of paychecks from Katanga and loot from the villages as you lay waste to communist-backed Congolese armed forces?

Uncool. Interventionism is very uncool.

Eh, intervention is not automatically invalid. Sometimes it is necessary though should generally be limited.
But jungle warfare is not romantic at all.

[Novus America]

Don’t we have Crusader fanboys as well?

I am a bit of one, yes. But more the ideal of the Crusader Knight rather than the reality which I'm an avid critic.

The ideas of the Crusades were valid, as Islam was aggressively trying to conquer Europe.
The actual implementation though was of course a mess, and often resulted in horrible war crimes.
And the Venetians. Who were the worst.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I too would exclude the insidious Ir*sh from New York.

This kind of talk really annoys me, because I often can't tell whether it's serious. And if it is serious, that's even worse.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I too would exclude the insidious Ir*sh from New York.

This kind of talk really annoys me, because I often can't tell whether it's serious. And if it is serious, that's even worse.

If they censor the word with an asterisk, it’s probably less than serious. Especially if you consider the person’s ancestors were Irish, although, to be fair, you’d only be privy to that little tidbit if you knew the person well.

[Nea Byzantia]

France, for all her flaws, has a rich philosophical history. It's a nation of thinkers and passionate people, I love them.

Imagine actually liking the French.

Imagine actually liking the British.

[Nea Byzantia]

Being a professional bandit doesn't hold a lot of appeal to me.

I think there's something romantic about it, much like being a cowboy on the American frontier or a pirate in the Spanish Caribbean.

One of the best investment bankers in history was a Brit who fought for the UK in Cyprus, then the Rhodesians in Zambia, and then the US military in Vietnam.

The last two were respectable, but why fight for the British in Cyprus? The pro-Enosis Greek partisans fighting the Brits were not even Communists. In fact, in the 1960s and 70s, they were backed by the Right-Wing Military Junta in Greece (1967 - 1974)?

[Nea Byzantia]

No, not really. It just makes for a good story.

Yes, killing people who can't defend themselves and stealing their livelihoods is thrilling stuff.

I always thought killing the people who kill people who can't defend themselves and steal their livelihoods, was more thrilling.

Remember that Bear Stearns is a Banker; and remember that international banking was pioneered by our old friends the Knights Templar and the Knights Hospitaliers; many of whom turned to Piracy after the King of France burned their leadership and the Pope abolished the Templar Order. Shortly after that little stunt, the Knights Hospitaliers seized the island of Rhodes from the Eastern Roman Empire, in 1329, and set up their headquarters there. They turned to Piracy, Enslavement, and Banking to pay the bills and were exorbitantly wealthy; untouched by any powerful European Monarch or Potentate, on their Island Fortress. The Ottoman Sultan Suleiman "The Magnificent" (ruled: 1520 AD - 1566 AD) was so irritated by their activities that he brought a massive army to bear on the Pirate-Knights, and they were driven from Rhodes in 1522...and then moved to Malta, where they continued their activities until kicked out by Napoleon, in 1798. I believe their headquarters is now in Rome.

Clearly, they goofed up, and should've moved it to another island - Manhattan, perhaps?

[Hanafuridake]

Imagine actually liking the French.

Imagine actually liking the British.

Imagine starting a sarcastic sentence with the word imagine.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Tlaib is a dumb cunt for all I care but it really says a lot about our so-called "greatest ally" that bans our politicians from visiting.

Britain also has barred certain people from going there.

Honestly, I think Israel, or any sovereign country, has a right to bar people from coming to their country. Especially if they're vocally opposed to or advocate for their destruction.

Tlaib wasn't going to visit Israel, she was going to visit the West Bank, which Israel does not have sovereignty over.

[Nea Byzantia]

I am a bit of one, yes. But more the ideal of the Crusader Knight rather than the reality which I'm an avid critic.

The ideas of the Crusades were valid, as Islam was aggressively trying to conquer Europe.
The actual implementation though was of course a mess, and often resulted in horrible war crimes.
And the Venetians. Who were the worst.

The Venetians, Genoese, and other Italian banker-states were notoriously intertwined in getting the Crusades going; and they reaped lavish profits from the Crusader States; being allowed to dominate the ports and trade-routes there; with the Knightly Orders such as the Templars and Hospitaliers providing military muscle for these bankers. The Crusades was all about the Money, all about the Venetians, Genoese, and other West European elites wanting their piece of the pie in terms of international trade and the Silk Road.

Note how Antioch and Tyre - two of the largest trading metropoles connected to the Silk Road - were major centres of Crusader Power in the Middle East. Jerusalem was a major node in the Spice Trade, as well, and its economic significance added to its spiritual and political importance. Let us not forget either, that the Italian bankers attempted to monopolize economic and political influence in Constantinople - another massive trading emporium - and when they pushed their schemes too far and were dealt a blow by the populist Emperor Andronikos I Komnenos (ruled: 1183 AD - 1185 AD), the Italian Bankers retaliated by sending the Crusader Horde to sack and seize the New Rome, in 1204. Control of vitally important strategic islands in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean such as Cyprus, Rhodes, and Crete were pursued by the Italians and Crusaders, with equal voraciosuness.

Cyprus was the centre of a Crusader Kingdom and Venetian Protectorate until the Turks seized the island in the 16th century; Crete was a closely guarded Venetian Possession well into the 18th century, and Rhodes served as the headquarters of the Knights Hospitaliers from 1329 - 1522, during which time they earned a name for themselves as pirates, slavers, and moneylenders.

At the end of the day; all these actions, going back to the taking of Jerusalem, in 1099, was about securing economic advantages and wealth.

[Novus America]

The ideas of the Crusades were valid, as Islam was aggressively trying to conquer Europe.
The actual implementation though was of course a mess, and often resulted in horrible war crimes.
And the Venetians. Who were the worst.

The Venetians, Genoese, and other Italian banker-states were notoriously intertwined in getting the Crusades going; and they reaped lavish profits from the Crusader States; being allowed to dominate the ports and trade-routes there; with the Knightly Orders such as the Templars and Hospitaliers providing military muscle for these bankers. The Crusades was all about the Money, all about the Venetians, Genoese, and other West European elites wanting their piece of the pie in terms of international trade and the Silk Road.

Note how Antioch and Tyre - two of the largest trading metropoles connected to the Silk Road - were major centres of Crusader Power in the Middle East. Jerusalem was a major node in the Spice Trade, as well, and its economic significance added to its spiritual and political importance. Let us not forget either, that the Italian bankers attempted to monopolize economic and political influence in Constantinople - another massive trading emporium - and when they pushed their schemes too far and were dealt a blow by the populist Emperor Andronikos I Komnenos (ruled: 1183 AD - 1185 AD), the Italian Bankers retaliated by sending the Crusader Horde to sack and seize the New Rome, in 1204. Control of vitally important strategic islands in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean such as Cyprus, Rhodes, and Crete were pursued by the Italians and Crusaders, with equal voraciosuness.

Cyprus was the centre of a Crusader Kingdom and Venetian Protectorate until the Turks seized the island in the 16th century; Crete was a closely guarded Venetian Possession well into the 18th century, and Rhodes served as the headquarters of the Knights Hospitaliers from 1329 - 1522, during which time they earned a name for themselves as pirates, slavers, and moneylenders.

At the end of the day; all these actions, going back to the taking of Jerusalem, in 1099, was about securing economic advantages and wealth.

Oh I am aware the Venetians and other unscrupulous Italians banker clans hijacked the crusades for their own ends.
And this caused them to fail.
But that was the implementation, not the original purpose.

Again the original purpose was fine, fighting against Islamic aggression.
The actual implementation was obviously a disaster.

[Nea Byzantia]

The Venetians, Genoese, and other Italian banker-states were notoriously intertwined in getting the Crusades going; and they reaped lavish profits from the Crusader States; being allowed to dominate the ports and trade-routes there; with the Knightly Orders such as the Templars and Hospitaliers providing military muscle for these bankers. The Crusades was all about the Money, all about the Venetians, Genoese, and other West European elites wanting their piece of the pie in terms of international trade and the Silk Road.

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Note how Antioch and Tyre - two of the largest trading metropoles connected to the Silk Road - were major centres of Crusader Power in the Middle East. Jerusalem was a major node in the Spice Trade, as well, and its economic significance added to its spiritual and political importance. Let us not forget either, that the Italian bankers attempted to monopolize economic and political influence in Constantinople - another massive trading emporium - and when they pushed their schemes too far and were dealt a blow by the populist Emperor Andronikos I Komnenos (ruled: 1183 AD - 1185 AD), the Italian Bankers retaliated by sending the Crusader Horde to sack and seize the New Rome, in 1204. Control of vitally important strategic islands in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean such as Cyprus, Rhodes, and Crete were pursued by the Italians and Crusaders, with equal voraciosuness.

Cyprus was the centre of a Crusader Kingdom and Venetian Protectorate until the Turks seized the island in the 16th century; Crete was a closely guarded Venetian Possession well into the 18th century, and Rhodes served as the headquarters of the Knights Hospitaliers from 1329 - 1522, during which time they earned a name for themselves as pirates, slavers, and moneylenders.

At the end of the day; all these actions, going back to the taking of Jerusalem, in 1099, was about securing economic advantages and wealth.

Oh I am aware the Venetians and other unscrupulous Italians banker clans hijacked the crusades for their own ends.
And this caused them to fail.
But that was the implementation, not the original purpose.

Again the original purpose was fine, fighting against Islamic aggression.
The actual implementation was obviously a disaster.

I disagree. The original purpose was to get a piece of the pie in the Silk Road; but that doesn't exactly get the knights of Europe to sign up for your cause; introduce the Liberation of Jerusalem, a Papal Indulgence, and Let's-Lick-Those-Muslims-Over-There; and you've got yourself a devoted fighting force.

But I do agree that Islam was a threat to Europe; and you could make the argument that many of the later wars against the Ottoman Empire; striving to halt their advance into Central and Eastern Europe constitute Crusades in it of themselves. And those were most certainly justified.

[Novus America]

Oh I am aware the Venetians and other unscrupulous Italians banker clans hijacked the crusades for their own ends.
And this caused them to fail.
But that was the implementation, not the original purpose.

Again the original purpose was fine, fighting against Islamic aggression.
The actual implementation was obviously a disaster.

I disagree. The original purpose was to get a piece of the pie in the Silk Road; but that doesn't exactly get the knights of Europe to sign up for your cause; introduce the Liberation of Jerusalem, a Papal Indulgence, and Let's-Lick-Those-Muslims-Over-There; and you've got yourself a devoted fighting force.

But I do agree that Islam was a threat to Europe; and you could make the argument that many of the later wars against the Ottoman Empire; striving to halt their advance into Central and Eastern Europe constitute Crusades in it of themselves.

Well whose original purpose are we talking about?
There were many different parties involved.

For the Italian banking clans sure. But they did not do it alone.