Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Jolthig]

“Resource drain.”
Cite that.

No direct sources atm cuz I've gotta head off soon but I was mainly thinking of rare earths when I wrote that, which are very vital to modern civilization. There's some big untapped reserves but there's a great number of issues preventing easy exploitation of those.

Yeah, and I'm getting tired here. I'll continue this discussion tomorrow.

[Kowani]

You have to at least convince the people that your government is the right one first as was the case of the Holy Prophet (saw). I don't disagree with both you and WRA that fear does work in some areas because the Shariah does use that in some of its punishments. However, I find his method a bit reckless.

I'm not talking about the same thing WRA is, tbh. A police state is not something I'd agree with, just an orderly society with a strong moral conduct.

I knew we’d disagree eventually.
The West (insofar as such a nebulous concept can be said to be unified, at any rate) has not gone too far down the road of progress. Rather, it has not gone far enough. It has attempted to latch on to the benefits of progress while at the same time holding on to the old ways, and it has failed to provide an adequate transition to many of its members. It has failed to address all the implications of everything it has realized. The West has, essentially, climbed up the ladder-and got its foot stuck.

Well, may agree more or less on method, but our goals are different.

I view this so called "progress" our society is so obsessed with a sham. Movements and ideas trying to fill the gaping hole in peoples lives, attempting to give themselves meaning through various "identities" and pleasures, yet we see the results, a society of broken people with no purpose, rampant social atomization, and perverse indulgences.

This, I would qualify as the problem of transition. Those who identify with a movement give themselves purpose, and thus, avoid the aforementioned problems. Furthermore, I would assert that the crisis of “broken people” is in part due to greater capacity to diagnose and recognize problems without stigmatizing those who have them.

[Bienenhalde]

Wait. Are you a Brit? Tbh, I've forgotten.

No, I'm American. But I think I have more in common in terms of my political and religious outlook with Brits than Americans. Probably because both my parents are from the Commonwealth.

I do not even have a close connection to Britain, I just think British style High Toryism is more beautiful and sensible than what American "conservatives" and liberals are promoting.

[Bear Stearns]

Boys, how great would it be to be armed to the teeth with old WWII weapons, surrounded by grizzled ex-Nazis, Vietnam vets, Rhodesians, and South Africans, trekking through the eastern Congo, subsisting off of paychecks from Katanga and loot from the villages as you lay waste to communist-backed Congolese armed forces?

[Kowani]

Boys, how great would it be to be armed to the teeth with old WWII weapons, surrounded by grizzled ex-Nazis, Vietnam vets, Rhodesians, and South Africans, trekking through the eastern Congo, subsisting off of paychecks from Katanga and loot from the villages as you lay waste to communist-backed Congolese armed forces?

In the unholy name of fuckery, no.

[Bear Stearns]

Boys, how great would it be to be armed to the teeth with old WWII weapons, surrounded by grizzled ex-Nazis, Vietnam vets, Rhodesians, and South Africans, trekking through the eastern Congo, subsisting off of paychecks from Katanga and loot from the villages as you lay waste to communist-backed Congolese armed forces?

In the unholy name of fuckery, no.

Well it's something that actually happened in 1966 in the Congo. Look up the Stanleyville Mutinies. African warlord hires mercenaries to rebel against the Congo government, starting an international crisis.

[The Liberated Territories]

Boys, how great would it be to be armed to the teeth with old WWII weapons, surrounded by grizzled ex-Nazis, Vietnam vets, Rhodesians, and South Africans, trekking through the eastern Congo, subsisting off of paychecks from Katanga and loot from the villages as you lay waste to communist-backed Congolese armed forces?

I hate mosquitos. Pass.

[Bienenhalde]

Boys, how great would it be to be armed to the teeth with old WWII weapons, surrounded by grizzled ex-Nazis, Vietnam vets, Rhodesians, and South Africans, trekking through the eastern Congo, subsisting off of paychecks from Katanga and loot from the villages as you lay waste to communist-backed Congolese armed forces?

Fighting communism is good and all, but I have zero tolerance for looters and war criminals.

[Salus Maior]

Boys, how great would it be to be armed to the teeth with old WWII weapons, surrounded by grizzled ex-Nazis, Vietnam vets, Rhodesians, and South Africans, trekking through the eastern Congo, subsisting off of paychecks from Katanga and loot from the villages as you lay waste to communist-backed Congolese armed forces?

Being a professional bandit doesn't hold a lot of appeal to me.

[Kowani]

In the unholy name of fuckery, no.

Well it's something that actually happened in 1966 in the Congo. Look up the Stanleyville Mutinies. African warlord hires mercenaries to rebel against the Congo government, starting an international crisis.

Yes, I know. It also sounds extremely unpleasant.

[Bear Stearns]

Nightly reminder that Jonas Savimbi did nothing wrong.

[Bear Stearns]

Boys, how great would it be to be armed to the teeth with old WWII weapons, surrounded by grizzled ex-Nazis, Vietnam vets, Rhodesians, and South Africans, trekking through the eastern Congo, subsisting off of paychecks from Katanga and loot from the villages as you lay waste to communist-backed Congolese armed forces?

Being a professional bandit doesn't hold a lot of appeal to me.

I think there's something romantic about it, much like being a cowboy on the American frontier or a pirate in the Spanish Caribbean.

One of the best investment bankers in history was a Brit who fought for the UK in Cyprus, then the Rhodesians in Zambia, and then the US military in Vietnam. He then became a mercenary and eventually moved to New York. He ended up at Dean Witter Reynolds (historic investment bank, now Morgan Stanley), which was headquartered in the World Trade Center. He led his firm's evacuation during the 1993 bombing, noticed deep security flaws with the WTC, and decided to revamp his firm's evacuation process.

On 9/11, his process successfully evacuated over 2,000 of Morgan Stanley's employees in the South Tower. He was last seen on the 10th floor, heading upwards while everyone else was headed down.

His name was Rick Rescorla.

[Salus Maior]

Being a professional bandit doesn't hold a lot of appeal to me.

I think there's something romantic about it, much like being a cowboy on the American frontier or a pirate in the Spanish Caribbean.

There's nothing romantic about being a murderer and a thief.

You should actually look up the details of war crimes and the victims and see how "romantic" the reality is.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Boys, how great would it be to be armed to the teeth with old WWII weapons, surrounded by grizzled ex-Nazis, Vietnam vets, Rhodesians, and South Africans, trekking through the eastern Congo, subsisting off of paychecks from Katanga and loot from the villages as you lay waste to communist-backed Congolese armed forces?

Trudging through a fetid jungle while suffering malaria and surrounded by heavily armed darkies primed to kill?

Think I'll pass.

Being Freikorps in Latvia on the other hand... killing Bolshies and Latvian civvies, and when you get tired you can just trek back to Germany and write your memoirs.

[Salus Maior]

Boys, how great would it be to be armed to the teeth with old WWII weapons, surrounded by grizzled ex-Nazis, Vietnam vets, Rhodesians, and South Africans, trekking through the eastern Congo, subsisting off of paychecks from Katanga and loot from the villages as you lay waste to communist-backed Congolese armed forces?

Trudging through a fetid jungle while suffering malaria and surrounded by heavily armed darkies primed to kill?

Think I'll pass.

Being Freikorps in Latvia on the other hand... killing Bolshies and Latvian civvies, and when you get tired you can just trek back to Germany and write your memoirs.

Are we turning into the war-crimes fetish thread or what?

[Bear Stearns]

I think there's something romantic about it, much like being a cowboy on the American frontier or a pirate in the Spanish Caribbean.

There's nothing romantic about being a murderer and a thief.

You should actually look up the details of war crimes and the victims and see how "romantic" the reality is.

Most of the coolest people from history were bloodthirsty murderers. Crusaders, Mongols, Vikings, conquistadors, etc.

[Kowani]

Trudging through a fetid jungle while suffering malaria and surrounded by heavily armed darkies primed to kill?

Think I'll pass.

Being Freikorps in Latvia on the other hand... killing Bolshies and Latvian civvies, and when you get tired you can just trek back to Germany and write your memoirs.

Are we turning into the war-crimes fetish thread or what?

Don’t we have Crusader fanboys as well?

[Bear Stearns]

Boys, how great would it be to be armed to the teeth with old WWII weapons, surrounded by grizzled ex-Nazis, Vietnam vets, Rhodesians, and South Africans, trekking through the eastern Congo, subsisting off of paychecks from Katanga and loot from the villages as you lay waste to communist-backed Congolese armed forces?

Trudging through a fetid jungle while suffering malaria and surrounded by heavily armed darkies primed to kill?

Think I'll pass.

Being Freikorps in Latvia on the other hand... killing Bolshies and Latvian civvies, and when you get tired you can just trek back to Germany and write your memoirs.

I see your Freikorps and raise you Royal Irish Constabulary Special Reserve.

[Salus Maior]

There's nothing romantic about being a murderer and a thief.

You should actually look up the details of war crimes and the victims and see how "romantic" the reality is.

Most of the coolest people from history were bloodthirsty murderers. Crusaders, Mongols, Vikings, conquistadors, etc.

And you want to be a bloodthirsty murderer then, I take it? Or at least jerk off to the thought?

And honestly, I don't find anything cool about raiders. Pure cowards to fight and kill someone who can't defend themselves.

[Bear Stearns]

Most of the coolest people from history were bloodthirsty murderers. Crusaders, Mongols, Vikings, conquistadors, etc.

And you want to be a bloodthirsty murderer then, I take it? Or at least jerk off to the thought?

No, not really. It just makes for a good story.

[Salus Maior]

And you want to be a bloodthirsty murderer then, I take it? Or at least jerk off to the thought?

No, not really. It just makes for a good story.

Yes, killing people who can't defend themselves and stealing their livelihoods is thrilling stuff.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

I see your Freikorps and raise you Royal Irish Constabulary Special Reserve.

God no. You visit shitholes for loot and glory, not die at Paddy's pub because of a fenian bomber.

[Kowani]

And you want to be a bloodthirsty murderer then, I take it? Or at least jerk off to the thought?

No, not really. It just makes for a good story.

Of what, who can commit the most gruesome atrocity?

[Salus Maior]

Don’t we have Crusader fanboys as well?

I am a bit of one, yes. But more the ideal of the Crusader Knight rather than the reality which I'm an avid critic.

[North German Realm]

Don’t we have Crusader fanboys as well?

I am a bit of one, yes. But more the ideal of the Crusader Knight rather than the reality which I'm an avid critic.

The ideal of the Crusader Knight is just about as terrible as the reality of it though.