Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Saiwania]

Steve King of Iowa is my man. Even after the comments about rape and incest, I'm still going to support his continued presence in the House because I like his attitude and platform so much broadly speaking.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Isn’t that the church, or are we going full baptist here?

Can someone redpill me on what the Baptist denomonation is, and what its connotations and stereotypes are? Because I was raised as a Baptist, but never quite understood what distinguished it.

Baptists are typically calvinists who are super into decentralized church leadership. It’s why baptists include such wildly different individuals as MLK, Fred Phillips, Tommy McMurtry, and Billy Graham. The idea is that anyone can communicate with God and be a minister, but to the extreme, to a point where half of them don’t even go to seminary (in fact, that’s why they replaced the Episcopalians and Methodists down south: you only need a bible and a whole lot of crazy to be a baptist minister).

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Steve King of Iowa is my man. Even after the comments about rape and incest, I'm still going to support his continued presence in the House because I like his attitude and platform so much broadly speaking.

Great post!

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Can someone redpill me on what the Baptist denomonation is, and what its connotations and stereotypes are? Because I was raised as a Baptist, but never quite understood what distinguished it.

Baptists are typically calvinists who are super into decentralized church leadership. It’s why baptists include such wildly different individuals as MLK, Fred Phillips, Tommy McMurtry, and Billy Graham. The idea is that anyone can communicate with God and be a minister, but to the extreme, to a point where half of them don’t even go to seminary (in fact, that’s why they replaced the Episcopalians and Methodists down south: you only need a bible and a whole lot of crazy to be a baptist minister).

I see. So it's kind of like uberprotestantism?

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Baptists are typically calvinists who are super into decentralized church leadership. It’s why baptists include such wildly different individuals as MLK, Fred Phillips, Tommy McMurtry, and Billy Graham. The idea is that anyone can communicate with God and be a minister, but to the extreme, to a point where half of them don’t even go to seminary (in fact, that’s why they replaced the Episcopalians and Methodists down south: you only need a bible and a whole lot of crazy to be a baptist minister).

I see. So it's kind of like uberprotestantism?

Yeah, basically. Much further and they would’ve been nearing mystic territory. The issue is, you can’t make money off of being a mystic, so baptist is about as protestant as they go.

[Kowani]

Steve King of Iowa is my man. Even after the comments about rape and incest, I'm still going to support his continued presence in the House because I like his attitude and platform so much broadly speaking.

Thankfully, the majority of the country doesn’t share your opinion of the man.

[South Reinkalistan]

Steve King of Iowa is my man. Even after the comments about rape and incest, I'm still going to support his continued presence in the House because I like his attitude and platform so much broadly speaking.

Thankfully, the majority of the country doesn’t share your opinion of the man.

Yeah, I don't know much about him, and I'm not one to judge people based on one comment, but Jesus Christ...

[Hakons]

Well, there is no doubt that hierarchs have betrayed God, they’ve been doing that for 2,000 years now, as Cardinal Ercole Consalvi said to Napoleon, ‘If in 1,800 years we clergy have failed to destroy the Church, do you really think that you'll be able to do it?’ But we hold by faith that the Church, the Body of Christ, infallible and unchanging, cannot betray God because ‘And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.’ (Matt 16:18)

So if I've understood you correctly, the Church as an ideal is infallible, but the individuals that comprise the Church are far from infallible?

Largely correct. The Church is the Mystical Body of Christ, as in everyone in Christian society, in our world and in the next. Augustine would refer to it as the City of God. The Church is both human and divine, comprised of the clergy and laymen visible to us, the believers not immediately visible to be part of the Church, the souls in purgatory, all the Saints in Heaven, all the Angels, and God Himself. If we look at it this way, that the Christians you see around you are just one part of the Church, it becomes clear how they can be fallible (as is self evident and professed by these Christians ourselves) but the divine institution remains infallible (as it is created and headed by God).

[Totally Not OEP]

Steve King of Iowa is my man. Even after the comments about rape and incest, I'm still going to support his continued presence in the House because I like his attitude and platform so much broadly speaking.

You mean the comments DMR and AP had to betrack on and admit they misquoted?

[Hakons]

Steve King of Iowa is my man. Even after the comments about rape and incest, I'm still going to support his continued presence in the House because I like his attitude and platform so much broadly speaking.

No, he isn't good.

From a bit earlier in the year:

"King earlier this year gained the same type of scrutiny after questioning why the terms "white supremacist" and "white nationalist" had become "offensive."

House Republicans responded by removing King from his positions on the House Judiciary, Agriculture and Small Business committees. The House also passed a resolution condemning white nationalism and white supremacy following the remarks. "

He's been removed from his committee positions and is facing a primary challenger likely to defeat him. If he does win the primary, his seat is contestable and will likely be won by the opposition.

[Fahran]

Steve King of Iowa is my man. Even after the comments about rape and incest, I'm still going to support his continued presence in the House because I like his attitude and platform so much broadly speaking.

Ew, white nationalism.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Steve King of Iowa is my man. Even after the comments about rape and incest, I'm still going to support his continued presence in the House because I like his attitude and platform so much broadly speaking.

Ew, white nationalism.

Expect nothing less from a literal Nazi.

[Crysuko]

Steve King of Iowa is my man. Even after the comments about rape and incest, I'm still going to support his continued presence in the House because I like his attitude and platform so much broadly speaking.

to say he's been discredited would be to put it mildly

[Salus Maior]

Steve King of Iowa is my man. Even after the comments about rape and incest, I'm still going to support his continued presence in the House because I like his attitude and platform so much broadly speaking.

Ah, yes, the outrage machine.

[Totally Not OEP]

We shall go knee deep into the despair of our enemies.

[Fahran]

We shall go knee deep into the despair of our enemies.

So that they may feel love even as we drive them before us?

[Hanafuridake]

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/08/15/business/tech/kyoto-temple-puts-faith-robot-priest-drawing-praise-japanese-scorn-westerners/

Some people have been complaining, I for one welcome our robotic goddess overlord.

Technology good. I approve.

One of the accusations has been that the temple is “playing God.”

Which is a weird thing to accuse a non-monotheist religion of.

[Salus Maior]

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/08/15/business/tech/kyoto-temple-puts-faith-robot-priest-drawing-praise-japanese-scorn-westerners/

Some people have been complaining, I for one welcome our robotic goddess overlord.

Well, I guess I'm a scorning Westerner.

If you want to personify Google and call that "wisdom", fine. But a computer can't really relate to a human being, it can repeat teachings about "desire" and so forth but it's only repeating what you could probably find in a quick search on Buddhist teaching. It can't truly relate to the human experience.

It's a gimmick. Like most things in modern Japan.

[Aureumterra]

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/08/15/business/tech/kyoto-temple-puts-faith-robot-priest-drawing-praise-japanese-scorn-westerners/

Some people have been complaining, I for one welcome our robotic goddess overlord.

Well, I guess I'm a scorning Westerner.

If you want to personify Google and call that "wisdom", fine. But a computer can't really relate to a human being, it can repeat teachings about "desire" and so forth but it's only repeating what you could probably find in a quick search on Buddhist teaching. It can't truly relate to the human experience.

It's a gimmick. Like most things in modern Japan.

They have a legitimate pop star that is an anime hologram

[Salus Maior]

Well, I guess I'm a scorning Westerner.

If you want to personify Google and call that "wisdom", fine. But a computer can't really relate to a human being, it can repeat teachings about "desire" and so forth but it's only repeating what you could probably find in a quick search on Buddhist teaching. It can't truly relate to the human experience.

It's a gimmick. Like most things in modern Japan.

They have a legitimate pop star that is an anime hologram

What is a "legitimate pop star"?

And besides, still a gimmick for the same reasons.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/08/15/business/tech/kyoto-temple-puts-faith-robot-priest-drawing-praise-japanese-scorn-westerners/

Some people have been complaining, I for one welcome our robotic goddess overlord.

Well, I guess I'm a scorning Westerner.

If you want to personify Google and call that "wisdom", fine. But a computer can't really relate to a human being, it can repeat teachings about "desire" and so forth but it's only repeating what you could probably find in a quick search on Buddhist teaching. It can't truly relate to the human experience.

It's a gimmick. Like most things in modern Japan.

The main problem with this is that the machine in question (as far as we're aware) lacks sapience; it can't even perform a half-decent emulation and/or imitation of sapience. However, I suspect that in a few decades, things will be somewhat... different in that regard. The rise of sapient machine intelligences, I mean.

Actually, I've been meaning to ask the NSers who believe in the notion of a "soul" (for lack of a more precise term) whether non-human (sapient) beings would have one. I know that views on the nature of the soul are varied, ranging from "everyone but me is a P-zombie (solipsism/quasi-solipsism)" to "inanimate objects have souls (panpsychism, IIRC)". What do y'all think, though?

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

And in other, more casual news, I have a new flag! What do y'all think?

[Salus Maior]

Well, I guess I'm a scorning Westerner.

If you want to personify Google and call that "wisdom", fine. But a computer can't really relate to a human being, it can repeat teachings about "desire" and so forth but it's only repeating what you could probably find in a quick search on Buddhist teaching. It can't truly relate to the human experience.

It's a gimmick. Like most things in modern Japan.

The main problem with this is that the machine in question (as far as we're aware) lacks sapience; it can't even perform a half-decent emulation and/or imitation of sapience. However, I suspect that in a few decades, things will be somewhat... different in that regard. The rise of sapient machine intelligences, I mean.

Actually, I've been meaning to ask the NSers who believe in the notion of a "soul" (for lack of a more precise term) whether non-human (sapient) beings would have one. I know that views on the nature of the soul are varied, ranging from "everyone but me is a P-zombie (solipsism/quasi-solipsism)" to "inanimate objects have souls (panpsychism, IIRC)". What do y'all think, though?

I don't think it's possible tbh.

You can't recreate the human will as a program. Sure, you can make it very "smart", but the intangibles will always be out of reach.

[Cappuccina]

Well, I guess I'm a scorning Westerner.

If you want to personify Google and call that "wisdom", fine. But a computer can't really relate to a human being, it can repeat teachings about "desire" and so forth but it's only repeating what you could probably find in a quick search on Buddhist teaching. It can't truly relate to the human experience.

It's a gimmick. Like most things in modern Japan.

The main problem with this is that the machine in question (as far as we're aware) lacks sapience; it can't even perform a half-decent emulation and/or imitation of sapience. However, I suspect that in a few decades, things will be somewhat... different in that regard. The rise of sapient machine intelligences, I mean.

Actually, I've been meaning to ask the NSers who believe in the notion of a "soul" (for lack of a more precise term) whether non-human (sapient) beings would have one. I know that views on the nature of the soul are varied, ranging from "everyone but me is a P-zombie (solipsism/quasi-solipsism)" to "inanimate objects have souls (panpsychism, IIRC)". What do y'all think, though?

Imho, anything with conciousness, sapient or not, has a soul.

[Salus Maior]

Imho, anything with conciousness, sapient or not, has a soul.

What is a "soul"?