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Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

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Has Shinzo Abe's leadership been good for Japan?

Yes
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No
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:38 pm

Jolthig wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I used to be more right wing, but I moved a bit towards the center. I believe that was probably just a psychological effect from seeing some disgusting alt-right content though.

As for me...during my 9 years of being on and off of NS, I was all over the place lol

Though when I got more active on NSG last year, I was more aggressive with my preaching of Islam. Kinda on the level of our old friend, Amin. Not as bad of course but kind of on that level before calming down, researching philosophy and logical fallacies, and being more committed to the faith really changed my debating style and conduct.

I don’t think I’d have liked you if I knew you in the past.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:40 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Actually, your political progression is an interesting topic in its own right. Could be a whole thread, but ehh, I only care about fellow RWDTers.

I started out center-right (typical Liberal voter) but moved... centre-left-hard-right? I don't know, I became more of a social democrat and Christian distributist while solidifying my social conservative views.

I wouldn't know where to place you on the political spectrum either. Maybe syncretic politics, which means you are not left or right.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:40 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Jolthig wrote:True, but we are still way better than other social media sites. Especially Twitter and Facebook because we have mods that actually enforce the rules though the opinions of people, are of course, subjective towards mod rulings, still the forum is much better than others.

Also, NSG has a huge impact on my views. So debating does benefit me in a way though I can agree many refuse to change their minds.

I simply take a realistic stance on both politics and religion

For a forum, this is pretty good. The mods are a mixed bag though. Some of the mods are good, like Farnhamia. I question the impartiality of some of them though, and some can be very rude.

Arch is awesome.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:42 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I wouldn't know where to place you on the political spectrum either. Maybe syncretic politics, which means you are not left or right.

Syncretic politics eh? Taking the best from left and right? I can see that. :)

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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:43 pm

My political progression is weird... religious right to libertarian to fascist to communist to whatever I am now. What have I learned? It’s easy to demonize those you don’t agree with. But they’re people who you can talk to. They’re not always right, and their minds don’t always change, but if you make the effort to converse, it’s rare that they aren’t worth it.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:43 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Actually, your political progression is an interesting topic in its own right. Could be a whole thread, but ehh, I only care about fellow RWDTers.

I started out center-right (typical Liberal voter) but moved... centre-left-hard-right? I don't know, I became more of a social democrat and Christian distributist while solidifying my social conservative views.


I'd always thought of you as very moderate, reasonable center right with some christian democratic views. I was honestly surprised to read you're still in high school.

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Postby Jolthig » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:44 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Jolthig wrote:True, but we are still way better than other social media sites. Especially Twitter and Facebook because we have mods that actually enforce the rules though the opinions of people, are of course, subjective towards mod rulings, still the forum is much better than others.

Also, NSG has a huge impact on my views. So debating does benefit me in a way though I can agree many refuse to change their minds.

I simply take a realistic stance on both politics and religion

For a forum, this is pretty good. The mods are a mixed bag though. Some of the mods are good, like Farnhamia. I question the impartiality of some of them though, and some can be very rude.

Eh, I try to be good with all of them.

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:As for me...during my 9 years of being on and off of NS, I was all over the place lol

Though when I got more active on NSG last year, I was more aggressive with my preaching of Islam. Kinda on the level of our old friend, Amin. Not as bad of course but kind of on that level before calming down, researching philosophy and logical fallacies, and being more committed to the faith really changed my debating style and conduct.

I don’t think I’d have liked you if I knew you in the past.

True lol and I wouldn't of liked you either as you were also more aggressive in your views.

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:For a forum, this is pretty good. The mods are a mixed bag though. Some of the mods are good, like Farnhamia. I question the impartiality of some of them though, and some can be very rude.

Arch is awesome.

This. Which is why I also think he is the best NSGer ever.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:44 pm

Nakena wrote:I was honestly surprised to read you're still in high school.

Wait, what.
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:44 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:My political progression is weird... religious right to libertarian to fascist to communist to whatever I am now. What have I learned? It’s easy to demonize those you don’t agree with. But they’re people who you can talk to. They’re not always right, and their minds don’t always change, but if you make the effort to converse, it’s rare that they aren’t worth it.

I absolutely agree.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:49 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
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What is the point in having a small government? Also what industries should be nationalized?


Maybe not industries per se, but I would nationalize YouTube and Twitter.

Since Youtube hosts considerably much more stuff than just political content, you’re not going to get much public support outside of the well known TOS-breaking right-wingers for the nationalization of a major part of the entertainment industry, and you’d be nationalizing a whole content hosting site to “””protect””” a minority of a minority of content the site hosts to begin with. And even if you could somehow manage to get it nationalized, the law would likely require any political content posted to be objectively neutral and unbiased like PBS which would kill the the minority of content that you want to “””protect””” anyways since nothing about political Youtube as a whole is neutral or unbiased in the slightest.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:49 pm

Jolthig wrote:True lol and I wouldn't of liked you either as you were also more aggressive in your views.
Fair point. I was a dick back then.
Kowani wrote:Arch is awesome.

This. Which is why I also think he is the best NSGer ever.

Yep, pretty much this.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:50 pm

Nakena wrote:I'd always thought of you as very moderate, reasonable center right with some christian democratic views. I was honestly surprised to read you're still in high school.

That's a fair characterization. Apart from my economics (which are in themselves not very radical), I'm a run-of-the-mill Christian conservative. I'm pleased that I came across as older than I actually am.

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Postby Jolthig » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:52 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:True lol and I wouldn't of liked you either as you were also more aggressive in your views.
Fair point. I was a dick back then.

This. Which is why I also think he is the best NSGer ever.

Yep, pretty much this.

We both were over the top. Then again, I was also debating a lot of extremists on other forums, so I was on the edge a lot at that time.

High five!
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:53 pm

How have I changed during the time I've been here, in your view?

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Postby Jolthig » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:55 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:How have I changed during the time I've been here, in your view?

I haven't been around you enough to notice anything so sorry.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:55 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Kowani wrote: Fair point. I was a dick back then.

Yep, pretty much this.

We both were over the top. Then again, I was also debating a lot of extremists on other forums, so I was on the edge a lot at that time.

High five!

That’s a plausible excuse. :p
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:55 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:True lol and I wouldn't of liked you either as you were also more aggressive in your views.
Fair point. I was a dick back then.

This. Which is why I also think he is the best NSGer ever.

Yep, pretty much this.

I don't see him much unfortunately. Hopefully that changes.

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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:55 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:How have I changed during the time I've been here, in your view?

I think you've always been a libertarian for the short time I've been on NS.

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Postby Jolthig » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:56 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:We both were over the top. Then again, I was also debating a lot of extremists on other forums, so I was on the edge a lot at that time.

High five!

That’s a plausible excuse. :p

True. Still didnt know how to argue that properly though until I started thinking more haha
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Postby Nakena » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:58 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Nakena wrote:I'd always thought of you as very moderate, reasonable center right with some christian democratic views. I was honestly surprised to read you're still in high school.

That's a fair characterization. Apart from my economics (which are in themselves not very radical), I'm a run-of-the-mill Christian conservative. I'm pleased that I came across as older than I actually am.


Yes you come across as very mature. And yes that meant as a compliment. Even if we might disagree on theological topics, sometimes. :p

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:How have I changed during the time I've been here, in your view?


From what I know, you come across as libertarian leaning center-right. Until, as said, communist or other serious threats show up. Then you get militant.

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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:02 pm

Nakena wrote:Yes you come across as very mature. And yes that meant as a compliment. Even if we might disagree on theological topics, sometimes. :p

Thanks. Regarding earthly politics, we agree where it counts.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:05 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:How have I changed during the time I've been here, in your view?

Haven’t been here long enough to see you change, sorry.

Jolthig wrote:
Kowani wrote:That’s a plausible excuse. :p

True. Still didnt know how to argue that properly though until I started thinking more haha

How d’ya’ think I feel?
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:07 pm

Kowani wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:How have I changed during the time I've been here, in your view?

Haven’t been here long enough to see you change, sorry.

Jolthig wrote:True. Still didnt know how to argue that properly though until I started thinking more haha

How d’ya’ think I feel?

We're both on a personal journey and mature as we get older.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:09 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Kowani wrote:Haven’t been here long enough to see you change, sorry.


How d’ya’ think I feel?

We're both on a personal journey and mature as we get older.

Bingo!
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:11 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:We're both on a personal journey and mature as we get older.

Bingo!

Indeed.
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