Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Diopolis]

This is not the thread to debate Christianity except as it directly pertains to the right wing.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

I don't understand the insistence of non-Christians demanding Christians abandon the Old Testament. Why must we abandon an integral part of the Bible which tells the story of the Israelites and the early origins of Christianity?

[Diopolis]

The crime of rape should be punished with forced sterilization at the very least, or possibly castration.

The crime of rape should be punishable by death.

[Kowani]

The crime of rape should be punished with forced sterilization at the very least, or possibly castration.

The crime of rape should be punishable by death.

Remember that whole “death penalty not working” thing?

[Salus Maior]

Literally everyone loves to take that verse out of context.

Read it in it's original chapter. The sword isn't a real sword, but rather a sword of division between people as some come to accept Christ and others don't.

It is both and has been interpreted as both. The Sword is symbolically His Holy Spirit.

There's nothing to justify it being a sword of war. Especially when you take into consideration the fact that He rejects violence throughout the Gospels.

[Temple State]

It is extremely brutal. I don't think you can argue that stoning and mass murder aren't bloody.

Stoning is bloody, sure, but it's not as if it weren't a common means of capital punishment at the time. And considering there are a couple books that line up the laws and criminal punishment of this ancient bronze age civilization, I don't think we can blame it for being a bit on the bloody side.

That being said though, I wouldn't say it's as grimdark as it seems. It's actually believed that historically speaking there weren't very many people that actually received capital punishment in ancient Israel, because the requirements for someone to receive capital punishment were pretty complicated. For one, iirc, there always had to be at least two witnesses, and they couldn't be related to each other. I think there were more than that but I haven't eaten much today and my head's kinda foggy.

There were also provisions for people who accidentally committed serious crimes to keep them safe from reprisals in designated Cities of Refuge.

Quit psychologizing and modernizing the Faith as if God's laws "evolve" according to your ego.

If it has to go grimdark then Hail the God-Emperor Christ!

[Nakena]

As opposed to the overwhelming majority of pagan gods; who were capricious, vindictive and generally went out of their way to harm their own people?

God is pretty benevolent by comparison, and considering how he sacrificed himself on a cross to redeem humanity, I'd say that our enslavement is the last thing on his mind.

Ssshh, don't tell them the pagan gods of the Romans and the Greeks ordered them to throw "defect" babies in big pits. I and my ilk are the "Social Darwinists" here.

Yeah that isn't impressing me very much.

>Fascism
>Christianity

Pick one. What is more important to you?

Check out his region. Theres a whole region FULL of those. And they even have a forum thread!

LiberNovusAmericae knows them already...

Browned your pants now?

Who said that I am wearing pants? For all you know I could be wearing a skirt.

Ya know, with a little surprise beneath if ya catch my drift.

[Duvniask]

I don't understand the insistence of non-Christians demanding Christians abandon the Old Testament. Why must we abandon an integral part of the Bible which tells the story of the Israelites and the early origins of Christianity?

Oh, just some light genocide and mass murder here and there.

[Temple State]

The crime of rape should be punished with forced sterilization at the very least, or possibly castration.

Absolutely, and forced labor for 7 years at least.

[Kowani]

I don't understand the insistence of non-Christians demanding Christians abandon the Old Testament. Why must we abandon an integral part of the Bible which tells the story of the Israelites and the early origins of Christianity?

Story of the Israelites? Like the Exodus-oh, wait, that didn’t happen.

[Diopolis]

Stoning is bloody, sure, but it's not as if it weren't a common means of capital punishment at the time. And considering there are a couple books that line up the laws and criminal punishment of this ancient bronze age civilization, I don't think we can blame it for being a bit on the bloody side.

That being said though, I wouldn't say it's as grimdark as it seems. It's actually believed that historically speaking there weren't very many people that actually received capital punishment in ancient Israel, because the requirements for someone to receive capital punishment were pretty complicated. For one, iirc, there always had to be at least two witnesses, and they couldn't be related to each other. I think there were more than that but I haven't eaten much today and my head's kinda foggy.

There were also provisions for people who accidentally committed serious crimes to keep them safe from reprisals in designated Cities of Refuge.

Quit psychologizing and modernizing the Faith as if God's laws "evolve" according to your ego.

If it has to go grimdark then Hail the God-Emperor Christ!

>Records the judicial laws of ancient Israel.
>Points out the judicial laws of ancient Israel are pretty similar to the surrounding nations, albeit arguably nicer in some respects.
>"Is psychologizing and modernizing the Faith".
Yeah no. Catholics do not believe the judicial laws of ancient Israel are necessarily carried over. Nor do we believe that carrying over the judicial laws of ancient Israel is necessarily the best or most just course of action.

[Salus Maior]

Quit psychologizing and modernizing the Faith as if God's laws "evolve" according to your ego.

If it has to go grimdark then Hail the God-Emperor Christ!

Bahaha, you're a funny guy. Truly.

I'm the last person who would believe in the evolution of dogma and doctrine. And frankly, your fascisms I hardly recognize as any kind of true doctrine taught by Christ.

[Nakena]

Quit psychologizing and modernizing the Faith as if God's laws "evolve" according to your ego.

If it has to go grimdark then Hail the God-Emperor Christ!

I think most christians here would think that mixing up your personal blend of 40k style fascism with christianity is a little bit of a stretch.

If it has to be necessary Hail Satan and the dark gods!

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Oh, just some light genocide and mass murder here and there.

And we're not under any mandate to do either now, so the point is moot. You can't ditch history.

[Temple State]

It is both and has been interpreted as both. The Sword is symbolically His Holy Spirit.

There's nothing to justify it being a sword of war. Especially when you take into consideration the fact that He rejects violence throughout the Gospels.

He will kill the followers of the Anti-Christ with the mere Word from His mouth when He arrives to establish His Millennial Reign. Read the Book of Revelation yet?

Then we also have this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Roman_Emperor

I am hoping Viktor Orban's proposed Christian alliance will make that happen, before the rule of the Anti-Christ.

[Duvniask]

Oh, just some light genocide and mass murder here and there.

And we're not under any mandate to do either now, so the point is moot. You can't ditch history.

I don't think you understand what the real issue here is.

Let me spell it out for you: maybe you shouldn't adhere to a holy book that condones genocide and literally, unquestionably describes it as being done under God's command. And this reasoning suggests you'd be more than willing to carry it out were you to receive such a "mandate" once more.

[Temple State]

Quit psychologizing and modernizing the Faith as if God's laws "evolve" according to your ego.

If it has to go grimdark then Hail the God-Emperor Christ!

>Records the judicial laws of ancient Israel.
>Points out the judicial laws of ancient Israel are pretty similar to the surrounding nations, albeit arguably nicer in some respects.
>"Is psychologizing and modernizing the Faith".
Yeah no. Catholics do not believe the judicial laws of ancient Israel are necessarily carried over. Nor do we believe that carrying over the judicial laws of ancient Israel is necessarily the best or most just course of action.

And also to Salus Major, you guys can keep believing you are TradCats while giving into the new secular religion of liberalism and modernism at every step. What does Law even mean without God as the highest authority? Nothing.

[Temple State]

And we're not under any mandate to do either now, so the point is moot. You can't ditch history.

I don't think you understand what the real issue here is.

Let me spell it out for you: maybe you shouldn't adhere to a holy book that condones genocide and literally, unquestionably describes it as being done under God's command. And this reasoning suggests you'd be more than willing to carry it out were you to receive such a "mandate" once more.

Poor Nephilim and Cain's descendants that could not rape the Earth with their chaos gods...

[Nova Cyberia]

And we're not under any mandate to do either now, so the point is moot. You can't ditch history.

I don't think you understand what the real issue here is.

Let me spell it out for you: maybe you shouldn't adhere to a holy book that condones genocide and literally, unquestionably describes it as being done under God's command. And this reasoning suggests you'd be more than willing to carry it out were you to receive such a "mandate" once more.

And yet somehow most Christians aren't out there committing genocide or mass-murder. That tends to be the other Abrahamic religion doing that.

[Bear Stearns]

You obviously don't understand what bankers do. Who are they swindling? The internal finance teams of Fortune 500 companies?

As I said, everybody. Private central banking is the main source of current inflationary rates, even when they are at their lowest. Then you have crazed dictators like Maduro of course, but they are rare.

Investment bankers do not set interest rates! Investment banks don't even maintain depository accounts (well some technically do but they legally have to be separate from the investment bank).

Investment bankers advise on mergers & acquisitions and solicit investors (hedge funds, private equity shops, rich people) to invest their money in a company.

If you own a business and want to sell it, you hire an investment banker to run that process for you.

[Diopolis]

>Records the judicial laws of ancient Israel.
>Points out the judicial laws of ancient Israel are pretty similar to the surrounding nations, albeit arguably nicer in some respects.
>"Is psychologizing and modernizing the Faith".
Yeah no. Catholics do not believe the judicial laws of ancient Israel are necessarily carried over. Nor do we believe that carrying over the judicial laws of ancient Israel is necessarily the best or most just course of action.

And also to Salus Major, you guys can keep believing you are TradCats while giving into the new secular religion of liberalism and modernism at every step. What does Law even mean without God as the highest authority? Nothing.

Show me an example of doing that.

I don't think you understand what the real issue here is.

Let me spell it out for you: maybe you shouldn't adhere to a holy book that condones genocide and literally, unquestionably describes it as being done under God's command. And this reasoning suggests you'd be more than willing to carry it out were you to receive such a "mandate" once more.

Poor Nephilim and Cain's descendants that could not rape the Earth with their chaos gods...

Chaos gods? Do you think we're living in 40k?

[Kowani]

I don't think you understand what the real issue here is.

Let me spell it out for you: maybe you shouldn't adhere to a holy book that condones genocide and literally, unquestionably describes it as being done under God's command. And this reasoning suggests you'd be more than willing to carry it out were you to receive such a "mandate" once more.

Poor Nephilim and Cain's descendants that could not rape the Earth with their chaos gods...

Oh, so there are other gods now?

[Temple State]

As I said, everybody. Private central banking is the main source of current inflationary rates, even when they are at their lowest. Then you have crazed dictators like Maduro of course, but they are rare.

Investment bankers do not set interest rates! Investment banks don't even maintain depository accounts (well some technically do but they legally have to be separate from the investment bank).

Investment bankers advise on mergers & acquisitions and solicit investors (hedge funds, private equity shops, rich people) to invest their money in a company.

If you own a business and want to sell it, you hire an investment banker to run that process for you.

I know the difference. But smaller banks can sometimes act on a license from a private central bank and lend on their behalf, even when the credits are just created out of thin air.

Still, no matter such licenses or not, you cannot evade the truth: They all operate on the basis of interest. That is usury. Usury is immoral and does not add any value to the real economy, but detracts from it.

[Nakena]

Poor Nephilim and Cain's descendants that could not rape the Earth with their chaos gods...

Oh, so there are other gods now?

...and this is were the fun begins!

[Temple State]

And also to Salus Major, you guys can keep believing you are TradCats while giving into the new secular religion of liberalism and modernism at every step. What does Law even mean without God as the highest authority? Nothing.

Show me an example of doing that.

Poor Nephilim and Cain's descendants that could not rape the Earth with their chaos gods...

Chaos gods? Do you think we're living in 40k?

Sorry that my phrasing has swag. Now go play with your hyper-realistic toy soldiers re-enacting the battle of Vienna, or something...