Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Novus America]

True. The important thing to note is the concepts formalized and popularized during the Enlightenment did not just magically appear in the 1700s, they built on existing concepts.

A sense of Germanness goes at least back to the Protestant Reformation, a sense of Englishness had been around since the 800s.

Exactly. The Enlightenment build on and formalized those existing senses. It did not generally create entirely new nation states from scratch. The US and Americas being the newer ones built on newer identities and concepts whereas the European ones generally built on existing identities going further back.

Though in Reformation era Germany religious affiliations was generally considered more important than national affiliation. The Enlightenment was in no small part a reaction too and rejection of the religious warfare of the Renaissance.

[Napkizemlja]

Big ups to my boy King Alfred the Great.

If you have English heritage, you are likely related to him.

My English heritage is so English that my great-grandfathers were still speaking a bastardized form of Middle English mixed with pre-great vowel shift Early Modern English. Also I suppose my maternal grandfather since he could speak and understand the dialect.

[Novus America]

Well there is not set rule on how the election is, but yes the franchise is generally limited.

I suppose it can be different depending on the tradition.

It is. Although a generally limitation to some sort of nobel or senatorial class is generally how they work, who gets to be electors varies from tradition to tradition.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

If you have English heritage, you are likely related to him.

My English heritage is so English that my great-grandfathers were still speaking a bastardized form of Middle English mixed with pre-great vowel shift Early Modern English.

If I may, which part of the island of Great Britain do you or your ancestors hail from?

[Nea Byzantia]

If you have English heritage, you are likely related to him.

My English heritage is so English that my great-grandfathers were still speaking a bastardized form of Middle English mixed with pre-great vowel shift Early Modern English. Also I suppose my maternal grandfather since he could speak and understand the dialect.

So why do you guys hate the French?

[Bear Stearns]

If you have English heritage, you are likely related to him.

My English heritage is so English that my great-grandfathers were still speaking a bastardized form of Middle English mixed with pre-great vowel shift Early Modern English.

Great-grandfathers...?

Unless you are very old, there is no way your great-grandfather could have been alive before 1890. Who was still speaking Middle English anywhere in 1890?

[Napkizemlja]

My English heritage is so English that my great-grandfathers were still speaking a bastardized form of Middle English mixed with pre-great vowel shift Early Modern English.

Great-grandfathers...?

Unless you are very old, there is no way your great-grandfather could have been alive before 1890. Who was still speaking Middle English anywhere in 1890?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Country_dialect

[Bear Stearns]

My English heritage is so English that my great-grandfathers were still speaking a bastardized form of Middle English mixed with pre-great vowel shift Early Modern English. Also I suppose my maternal grandfather since he could speak and understand the dialect.

So why do you guys hate the French?

Because they're lazy, smelly, and pretentious.

[Bear Stearns]

Great-grandfathers...?

Unless you are very old, there is no way your great-grandfather could have been alive before 1890. Who was still speaking Middle English anywhere in 1890?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Country_dialect

Wow! That is fascinating.

[Napkizemlja]

My English heritage is so English that my great-grandfathers were still speaking a bastardized form of Middle English mixed with pre-great vowel shift Early Modern English.

If I may, which part of the island of Great Britain do you or your ancestors hail from?

All of it.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I suppose it can be different depending on the tradition.

It is. Although a generally limitation to some sort of nobel or senatorial class is generally how they work, who gets to be electors varies from tradition to traditional.

Speaking of which, I need a decent name for my proposed technocratic noble/senatorial/elector/whatever class. I vaguely remember the term "literati" used to describe the Confucian scholar-officials of Imperial China.

[Bear Stearns]

If I may, which part of the island of Great Britain do you or your ancestors hail from?

All of it.

How did you wind up an Orthodox Christian? Conversion?

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

If I may, which part of the island of Great Britain do you or your ancestors hail from?

All of it.

Hmm... which part does your great-grandfather hail from, assuming a strictly patrilineal sense of the term (so your father's father's father, in layman's terms)?

[Bear Stearns]

All of it.

Hmm... which part does your great-grandfather hail from, assuming a strictly patrilineal sense of the term (so your father's father's father, in layman's terms)?

Based on the dialect he said he spoke, presumably Birmingham.

[Napkizemlja]

All of it.

How did you wind up an Orthodox Christian? Conversion?

Yep.

All of it.

Hmm... which part does your great-grandfather hail from, assuming a strictly patrilineal sense of the term (so your father's father's father, in layman's terms)?

The Black Country.

[Nea Byzantia]

So why do you guys hate the French?

Because they're lazy, smelly, and pretentious.

Since we're dealing in stereotypes:

I take it the laziness must be from the Latin influence...Their smugness seems to come from the Germanic side of things; the Anglos are also very smug, in general, from what I've seen.

"Laziness" tends to be a common thing of the Mediterranean folk - Greeks and Latins. We're not lazy, we just know how to enjoy life...Of all the Germanic peoples, the French are the most similar to us in that respect.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

All of it.

How did you wind up an Orthodox Christian? Conversion?

Wait, I vaguely remember a user with a similar screen-name to Napkizemlja back in the day, and for a brief while in 2016 (maybe?) they had a spooky-looking inverted pentagram for a flag. However, I could be mis-remembering things. I dunno.

[Bear Stearns]

Because they're lazy, smelly, and pretentious.

Since we're dealing in stereotypes:

I take it the laziness must be from the Latin influence...Their smugness seems to come from the Germanic side of things; the Anglos are also very smug, in general, from what I've seen.

"Laziness" tends to be a common thing of the Mediterranean folk - Greeks and Latins. We're not lazy, we just know how to enjoy life...Of all the Germanic peoples, the French are the most similar to us in that respect.

In the Netherlands, it common to refer to someone doing something half-assed or shoddily as doing it "the French way".

[Kowani]

It is. Although a generally limitation to some sort of nobel or senatorial class is generally how they work, who gets to be electors varies from tradition to traditional.

Speaking of which, I need a decent name for my proposed technocratic noble/senatorial/elector/whatever class. I vaguely remember the term "literati" used to describe the Confucian scholar-officials of Imperial China.

The Hyperbourgeoisie.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

How did you wind up an Orthodox Christian? Conversion?

Yep.

Hmm... which part does your great-grandfather hail from, assuming a strictly patrilineal sense of the term (so your father's father's father, in layman's terms)?

The Black Country.

Ah. Funnily enough, my older brother had a long-distance relationship (since we hail from Northeastern Pennsylvania) throughout his high school years with a girl from Wolverhampton, which IIRC is in that part of Great Britain. That relationship was, as you may have guessed, a clustertruck of unimaginable scale. Which shouldn't be surprising, given that they were idiot teenagers at the time.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Speaking of which, I need a decent name for my proposed technocratic noble/senatorial/elector/whatever class. I vaguely remember the term "literati" used to describe the Confucian scholar-officials of Imperial China.

The Hyperbourgeoisie.

I'm not sure if this is a pun that's going over my head.

[Nea Byzantia]

How did you wind up an Orthodox Christian? Conversion?

Yep.

England used to have some pretty sweet monasteries, back before it fell to Papism under William the Bastard.

[Nova Cyberia]

Since we're dealing in stereotypes:

I take it the laziness must be from the Latin influence...Their smugness seems to come from the Germanic side of things; the Anglos are also very smug, in general, from what I've seen.

"Laziness" tends to be a common thing of the Mediterranean folk - Greeks and Latins. We're not lazy, we just know how to enjoy life...Of all the Germanic peoples, the French are the most similar to us in that respect.

In the Netherlands, it common to refer to someone doing something half-assed or shoddily as doing it "the French way".

I always thought doing it the French way meant taking pieces of Germany and then claiming that they were yours the entire time.

[Napkizemlja]

How did you wind up an Orthodox Christian? Conversion?

Wait, I vaguely remember a user with a similar screen-name to Napkizemlja back in the day, and for a brief while in 2016 (maybe?) they had a spooky-looking inverted pentagram for a flag. However, I could be mis-remembering things. I dunno.

I never had a pentagram for a flag. When I was an edgy atheist, I considered joining the Church of Satan but never used a pentagram as my flag as even then I thought that was too edgy.

[Nea Byzantia]

Since we're dealing in stereotypes:

I take it the laziness must be from the Latin influence...Their smugness seems to come from the Germanic side of things; the Anglos are also very smug, in general, from what I've seen.

"Laziness" tends to be a common thing of the Mediterranean folk - Greeks and Latins. We're not lazy, we just know how to enjoy life...Of all the Germanic peoples, the French are the most similar to us in that respect.

In the Netherlands, it common to refer to someone doing something half-assed or shoddily as doing it "the French way".

And in Russia if you leave too fast and impolitely, you're "saying goodbye the English way".