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Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

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Has Shinzo Abe's leadership been good for Japan?

Yes
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34%
No
12
27%
Unsure
17
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:20 pm

Surkiea wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Things have gotten better actually. Demonstrably. Unless you're simply a horrible human being. But I'm going to assume you aren't absent a confession to the contrary, or clearly shitty statements.

No it hasn't, homelessness, crime, unemployment, unhappiness and suicide have increased since then, I wonder why huh?


Crime has been on a net downtrend since 1992, the last I checked, likely due to a combination of: environmental legislation and regulations (in particular, those that eliminated lead in gasoline), since exposure to lead is proven to increase crime and mental illness rates; and access to legal and safe abortion, since unwanted children are proven to act out more often, which increases the likelihood that they will do things that cause them to be arrested. The only reason it seems to be on the rise is because of media sensationalism. Shocking stories generate profit.

As for homelessness, unemployment, unhappiness, and suicide, those are all things you'd have to prove an increase in, though I guarantee you any increase in those statistics is due to right-wing economic policies enacted since the 70s and 80s that have tried to regress workers and consumers rights in the name of corporate greed and expanding "the free market" and "cutting unnecessary red tape".

In other words, your very own fucking ideology is to blame for those things. Look no further for the closest mirror for someone to spit at.

What's wrong with that?

Homosexuality is evil


Prove it.

and spreads disease,


Not inherently, and increased disease risk is only an argument for better sex education in general.

it has lead to the morale destruction of society,


Prove it.

it goes go against what the bible says.


No, it doesn't. Quote me any and every verse you can think of, I've debunked them all more times than I can fucking count. I've been addressing that bullshit since 2012, I guarantee you can't come up with an argument I haven't seen before.

Once you're done with that, then prove why US law needs to be based on "da bibble".

If anything, it is secularism that has made peaceful and prosperous nations. One needs only look at the growth of peace, stability, and prosperity across the globe and the rise of secularism to prove it.

Secularism is a cancer that has lead to use abandoning our most precious values, it kills countries.


Objectively false, and what "most precious values" are those? Hatred? Everyone being some cookie-cutter clone? We're better off without them.

The only rot that will happen is by not abandoning social conservatism, fascism, bigotry, religious fundamentalism, and "traditionalist" thinking. Those are the ideologies that lead to hellholes, not whatever the fuck "SJW" allegedly means.

Fascism does not belong there,


It absolutely does.

and all the others are what is commanded in the bible, going against that is going against the word of god.


No, they fucking aren't, but even if I accepted that, that only means your god is a worthless shitstain that holds humanity back, and should actively be fought against at every turn.

The choice is between progress and death.

Progress IS death.


False. Regress is death.

Embracing our past values and rejecting post-modern values is the only way for the west to survive.


Those "past values" are self-destructive and objectively terrible.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:20 pm

Cerinda wrote:I'm probably out of the loop here but who is Parkus?

A player who left a while ago because... I'm not sure. He was awfully upset about something though.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:21 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
The quickest way to erode the power of Saudi Arabia is to wean the rest of the world off of fossil fuels. Go all in on nuclearization. Mandate all-electric vehicles (or at least 0 net-emission cars) by some deadline. Invest in ways to convert current gas-guzzlers to electric or alternative. Expand public transport networks. Etc.

Energy is KSA's life blood. So cut its jugular, and save the planet in the process.

That will take time though and to quickly switch is not realistic.


Then we'd better get started.

And I never said an immediate switch was realistic. I never advocated an immediate switch.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:21 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Surkiea is Parkus?

No. Al Mumtahanah is.

Oh. How do you know, and what is he trying to do? Was he trying to false flag by pretending to be a Muslim extremist, so people will become bigoted towards Muslims?
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:21 pm

Cerinda wrote:
Jolthig wrote:This is exactly the same words Al Mumtahanah used too which is why I suspect you are him. Not to switch the topics around, but it's because of the whataboutisms in this post. This will be my last comment so I don't cause a huge threadjack.

Well Al Mumtahanah was a Sunni extremist while this guy is a Christian reactionary, most likely a Baptist and probably from Alabama or West Virginia. Also his account was created in 2016.

Look at the similarities between the two accounts. While yes, the account was founded in 2016, that doesn't mean it's a puppet. He recently started posting again.

And Nova Cyberia, how do you know for sure it's Parkus?
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:22 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Jolthig wrote:That will take time though and to quickly switch is not realistic.


Then we'd better get started.

And I never said an immediate switch was realistic. I never advocated an immediate switch.

I see.
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Grenartia wrote:Then we Marshall Plan it.

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:22 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Cerinda wrote:I'm probably out of the loop here but who is Parkus?

A player who left a while ago because... I'm not sure. He was awfully upset about something though.

I think he did not like a mod ruling by NERVUN.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:22 pm

Cerinda wrote:
Jolthig wrote:This is exactly the same words Al Mumtahanah used too which is why I suspect you are him. Not to switch the topics around, but it's because of the whataboutisms in this post. This will be my last comment so I don't cause a huge threadjack.

Well Al Mumtahanah was a Sunni extremist while this guy is a Christian reactionary, most likely a Baptist and probably from Alabama or West Virginia. Also his account was created in 2016.


He ain't Parkus. Not tongue-in-cheek enough.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:22 pm

Cerinda wrote:I'm probably out of the loop here but who is Parkus?

A former liberal who turned into a paleoconservative. He left the site a while back.

He's fond of LARPing as a Muslim from time to time.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:23 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Diopolis wrote:A player who left a while ago because... I'm not sure. He was awfully upset about something though.

I think he did not like a mod ruling by NERVUN.

Correct.
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Grenartia wrote:Then we Marshall Plan it.

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Grenartia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:23 pm

Novus America wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
The quickest way to erode the power of Saudi Arabia is to wean the rest of the world off of fossil fuels. Go all in on nuclearization. Mandate all-electric vehicles (or at least 0 net-emission cars) by some deadline. Invest in ways to convert current gas-guzzlers to electric or alternative. Expand public transport networks. Etc.

Energy is KSA's life blood. So cut its jugular, and save the planet in the process.


Yes, and it is Iran’s life blood too.

I want all of the above although sadly even if we do this the rest of the world will still buy ME blood oil. Not much of our oil comes from the Middle East anymore.


Then we Marshall Plan it.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:24 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Yes, and it is Iran’s life blood too.

I want all of the above although sadly even if we do this the rest of the world will still buy ME blood oil. Not much of our oil comes from the Middle East anymore.


Then we Marshall Plan it.

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Grenartia wrote:Then we Marshall Plan it.

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:26 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Surkiea wrote:No it hasn't, homelessness, crime, unemployment, unhappiness and suicide have increased since then, I wonder why huh?


Crime has been on a net downtrend since 1992, the last I checked, likely due to a combination of: environmental legislation and regulations (in particular, those that eliminated lead in gasoline), since exposure to lead is proven to increase crime and mental illness rates; and access to legal and safe abortion, since unwanted children are proven to act out more often, which increases the likelihood that they will do things that cause them to be arrested. The only reason it seems to be on the rise is because of media sensationalism. Shocking stories generate profit.

Do note, however, that crime has only been on the downswing since the nineties, from it's heights in the nineties. It still hasn't reached the low rates of the fifties.
As for homelessness, unemployment, unhappiness, and suicide, those are all things you'd have to prove an increase in, though I guarantee you any increase in those statistics is due to right-wing economic policies enacted since the 70s and 80s that have tried to regress workers and consumers rights in the name of corporate greed and expanding "the free market" and "cutting unnecessary red tape".

In other words, your very own fucking ideology is to blame for those things. Look no further for the closest mirror for someone to spit at.

Homosexuality is evil


Prove it.

and spreads disease,


Not inherently, and increased disease risk is only an argument for better sex education in general.

I'll note that even with condoms, the rate of homosexual aids is far higher than in straights. Can't remember where I saw the stats, so I could be wrong, but IIRC the rate of aids in men who have sex with men didn't start trending downwards until the introduction of a new generation of HIV medications, well after condoms became widespread.
it has lead to the morale destruction of society,


Prove it.

it goes go against what the bible says.


No, it doesn't. Quote me any and every verse you can think of, I've debunked them all more times than I can fucking count. I've been addressing that bullshit since 2012, I guarantee you can't come up with an argument I haven't seen before.

I will note that that discussion really does belong in the CDT.
Once you're done with that, then prove why US law needs to be based on "da bibble".

Secularism is a cancer that has lead to use abandoning our most precious values, it kills countries.


Objectively false, and what "most precious values" are those? Hatred? Everyone being some cookie-cutter clone? We're better off without them.

Fascism does not belong there,


It absolutely does.

and all the others are what is commanded in the bible, going against that is going against the word of god.


No, they fucking aren't, but even if I accepted that, that only means your god is a worthless shitstain that holds humanity back, and should actively be fought against at every turn.

Progress IS death.


False. Regress is death.

Embracing our past values and rejecting post-modern values is the only way for the west to survive.


Those "past values" are self-destructive and objectively terrible.

There's nothing objective about their terribleness.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:27 pm

Jolthig wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I think he did not like a mod ruling by NERVUN.

Correct.

Yeah, I know he was upset about a mod ruling. I just don't know anything about the circumstances of that ruling, so can't judge why he was upset. Makes sense?
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:29 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:No. Al Mumtahanah is.

Oh. How do you know, and what is he trying to do? Was he trying to false flag by pretending to be a Muslim extremist, so people will become bigoted towards Muslims?


He admitted to being Parkus in the IDT.

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Greater Cesnica wrote:So we've got one thing out of the way. Next: who are you?

I am Parkus. Nothing I have posted is insincere. I am not DOS.



I wouldn't be surprised if the new person here is Parkus on an alt or something. Wouldn't be shocking if this is his new religion of the month.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:30 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Then we Marshall Plan it.

Best meme of the day. Sigged.


Shit fam, I'm honored. Thanks.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:31 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Best meme of the day. Sigged.


Shit fam, I'm honored. Thanks.

You're welcome. :)
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Cerinda » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:32 pm

Since I'm here I might as well say hi, just your average evil leftist.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:33 pm

Cerinda wrote:Since I'm here I might as well say hi, just your average evil leftist.

Hi, I'm a non-partisan pragmatist who is an Ahmadi Muslim lol
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

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Postby Cappuccina » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:35 pm

Cerinda wrote:Since I'm here I might as well say hi, just your average evil leftist.

:eyebrow:
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:37 pm

Novus America wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I take it that neoconservatives are not poplar around here.


Definitely not. Straight imperialism is cool here, but no idealistic stuff. :twisted:


I will take neo-conservatism over obnoxious imperialist edgelords any day.
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Postby Cerinda » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:38 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Cerinda wrote:Since I'm here I might as well say hi, just your average evil leftist.

Hi, I'm a non-partisan pragmatist who is an Ahmadi Muslim lol

Nice to meet you.

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Cerinda wrote:Since I'm here I might as well say hi, just your average evil leftist.

:eyebrow:

I'm not that good at showing sarcasm lol.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:41 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Surkiea wrote:>Implying any war America has been in was pointless.

Iraq? Vietnam? Hello?


Vietnam would not have been pointless if we had actually won it.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:43 pm

Grenartia wrote:
and all the others are what is commanded in the bible, going against that is going against the word of god.


No, they fucking aren't, but even if I accepted that, that only means your god is a worthless shitstain that holds humanity back, and should actively be fought against at every turn.


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Postby Grenartia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:43 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Crime has been on a net downtrend since 1992, the last I checked, likely due to a combination of: environmental legislation and regulations (in particular, those that eliminated lead in gasoline), since exposure to lead is proven to increase crime and mental illness rates; and access to legal and safe abortion, since unwanted children are proven to act out more often, which increases the likelihood that they will do things that cause them to be arrested. The only reason it seems to be on the rise is because of media sensationalism. Shocking stories generate profit.

Do note, however, that crime has only been on the downswing since the nineties, from it's heights in the nineties. It still hasn't reached the low rates of the fifties.


Well, considering the approximately 2 decade delay between lead emissions changes and changes in crime rates, its no surprise that crime began rising after the largest conflict in human history. And things like Tetraethyllead only began to be added to gas in the 20s. While car ownership did drastically increase in that decade, the 30s were also known for being a time of economic hardship (which would reduce gas usage). So its no surprise that the 50s and before would have relatively lower crime rates.

Based on the trend, and the fact that additives like TEL are banned, we can continue to expect to see a general decline in crime rates, barring the influence of other significant factors.

As for homelessness, unemployment, unhappiness, and suicide, those are all things you'd have to prove an increase in, though I guarantee you any increase in those statistics is due to right-wing economic policies enacted since the 70s and 80s that have tried to regress workers and consumers rights in the name of corporate greed and expanding "the free market" and "cutting unnecessary red tape".

In other words, your very own fucking ideology is to blame for those things. Look no further for the closest mirror for someone to spit at.



Prove it.



Not inherently, and increased disease risk is only an argument for better sex education in general.



I'll note that even with condoms, the rate of homosexual aids is far higher than in straights. Can't remember where I saw the stats, so I could be wrong, but IIRC the rate of aids in men who have sex with men didn't start trending downwards until the introduction of a new generation of HIV medications, well after condoms became widespread.


Like I said, better sex ed is necessary. When I went to high school (less than 10 years ago, and in a public school no less), we got no sex ed other than some scare tactics from an anti-abortion group about abstinence only. And we all dismissed it as bullshit because it was so utterly biased. And none of them said anything about sex ed as it concerns LGBT+ people.

If you want to improve STI rates for everyone, start pushing for better, comprehensive sex ed that addresses sex for everyone.


Prove it.



No, it doesn't. Quote me any and every verse you can think of, I've debunked them all more times than I can fucking count. I've been addressing that bullshit since 2012, I guarantee you can't come up with an argument I haven't seen before.

I will note that that discussion really does belong in the CDT.


Sure, but I just wanted to pre-empt the obvious bullshit.

Once you're done with that, then prove why US law needs to be based on "da bibble".



Objectively false, and what "most precious values" are those? Hatred? Everyone being some cookie-cutter clone? We're better off without them.



It absolutely does.



No, they fucking aren't, but even if I accepted that, that only means your god is a worthless shitstain that holds humanity back, and should actively be fought against at every turn.



False. Regress is death.



Those "past values" are self-destructive and objectively terrible.

There's nothing objective about their terribleness.


Debateable.
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