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Has Angela Merkel's leadership been good for Germany?

Yes
45
27%
No
85
51%
Unsure
36
22%
 
Total votes : 166

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Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:06 pm


The Right Wing Discussion Thread
Part XVII
The Snark Enlightenment



TS Eliot wrote: In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river


Is it that time again? It seems only yesterday that our thread was entering its sixteenth incarnation, but the wheel of time has turned another full circle, and once again the Mandate of Heaven has fallen on me, your humble patrician, to oversee the rowdy virtual debate hall that is the Right-Wing Discussion Thread. Here, right-wingers of various persuasions debate politics, economics, history and philosophy in their uniquely charmless way. Whether you are a blackshirt in waiting, a gun-toting libertarian or a wine-sipping wannabe aristocrat, there is a home for you here- and our frenemies from across the political divide are invited to dip their toes in, too, if they have the stomach for it. Just remember, when all is said and done, we're all just here for the memes.

Remember to keep to topics related to right-wing politics- whilst the conversation may naturally meander around such areas as religion, philosophy and, of course, left-wing ideology, please, please try to limit discussion of these topics to their relevance to the political right. We leave it up to posters to decide for themselves what constitutes "right-wing" in political jargon. Respect your fellow posters, abide by the site rules and be prepared to have your views challenged, mocked, torn apart, shat on and flushed down the toilet.

In absence of other requests, I'm planning to run a series of pre-planned polls this time around canvassing opinions on contemporary right-wing leaders. Suggestions for improvements, changes, or additions to the OP are as always welcome.

Relevant subjects for discussion include:

  • The politics, philosophies, and ideologies of the right.
  • Right-wing perspectives on economics and political economy.
  • News and history relevant to the political Right.
  • Right-wing responses to current events.
  • Right-wing perspectives on social and economic problems.
  • Political, social, cultural, and economic problems and their solutions according to the political Right.
  • The problems facing particular Right-wing movements or the political right in general, and how to resolve them.

Previous Iterations:


Poll History:

Poll 1: Is Cultural Marxism a Problem? (Jochistan) - 54% Voted Yes
Poll 2: Favourite Right-Wing Politicians? (Kauthar) - 25% voted Donald Trump
Poll 3: Favourite Right-Wing Autocrats (Unnamed Island State) - 45% voted Vladamir Putin
Poll 4: Best Right-Wing Countries (Kauthar) - Putin's Russia 21%
Poll 5: Best Right-Wing Idealogue (Legitimists)

Poll 1: What Right-Wing Ideology do you adhere to? - 55 votes for Libertarian
Poll 2 Favourite Right-Wing Economic System - 31 votes for Neoliberalism
Poll 3: Favourite Right-Wing Dictator - 18 Votes Kai Shek and Pinochet
Poll 4: Favourite Right-Wing Dictator PART 2 - David Cameron 49%
Poll 5: Prominent Right-Wing NSers/Favourite Future Right-Wing Dictator - Old Tyrannia 39 votes/29%
Poll 6: Favourite Fictional Right-Wing Dictators - Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) 43 Votes/23%

Poll 0.1: Continue the Old Poll Y/N
Poll 1: Favourite Right-Wing Ideologies - Libertarianism/Minarchism

Poll 1: Favorite Centre-Right Parties - Republican Party (US) 39%
Poll 2: What should be the most important core value of a state ideology? Liberty 47%

Poll 1: Which piece of literature has been most significant to the development of right-wing ideology? - Reflections on the Revolution in France 68/237 (29%)
Poll 2: Favourite constitutional/government models? - US 166/528 (31%)

Poll 1: If you could reverse the outcomes of one of these events, which one would it be? - The Russian Revolution 116/343 (34%)
Poll 2: If you could ensure the survival of one empire at their height, which would it be? - The Roman Empire 119/495 (24%)

Do you drink alcohol and what's your opinion of it?
No, and I have a negative opinion of it. It should remain legal. - 57 (36%)
Total Votes: 157 (Recorded 09/01/2017)

Poll 1: Which of the following Trump picks are you most happy with? And are you overall satisfied with them? - James Norman Mattis 92/384 Terrible picks, what have we gotten ourselves into. 97/384
Poll 2: Is Islam compatible with western civilisation? No - 102/330. If reformed yes - 102/330
Poll 3: Which side, for the sake of mankind, should have won WW1? The Allied Powers - 225/385
Poll 4: Was the Reformation a good thing? Yes - 146/287

Poll 1: If you could alter or overturn one of these treaties, which would it be? Treaty of Versailles - 365/564

Poll 1: What stance do you take on immigration? Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Melting-pot model. - 204/814

Poll 1: Which Kievan/Novrogrodian/Russian/Soviet leader was the greatest? Peter I The Great. 66/210

Poll 1: Which Japanese Shogunate was the most glorious? - MacArthur Shogunate :'). 289/450

Poll I: How should the government interact with religion? - Secularism 124/212 (58%)
Poll II: What's your favorite Eastern Philosophy? - Confucianism 45/206 (22%), Other/None 56/206 (27%)
Poll III: What's your favorite style of architecture? - Gothic 33/189 (17%)
Poll IV: To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe? - Natural Law Theory 20/112 (18%)

Poll I: Who is your favourite right-wing fiction writer? - JRR Tolkien 101/187 (54%)
Poll II: Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synonymous? - No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist (34%)

Poll I: Is Jair Bolsonaro's presidency a good thing for Brazil? - No 101/196 (52%)

Reading Suggestions:
If you’re looking to read something relevant to right-wing politics, consider reading some of the texts below. If you think something’s missing from this list, please post a recommendation. If you think something should be removed, please explain why.

  • ”Leviathan”
    — Thomas Hobbes. (Read Here)
  • ”Two Treatises of Government”
    — John Locke. (Read Here)
  • ”The Protestant Work Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.”
    — Max Weber.
  • ”Reflections on the Revolution in France”
    — Edmund Burke. (Read Here)
  • ”The Wealth Of Nations”
    — Adam Smith. (Read Here)
  • ”Essay on the Generative Principle of Political Constitutions and other Human Institutions”
    — Joseph de Maistre. (Read Here)
  • ”Rerum novarum”
    — Pope Leo XIII. (Read Here)
  • ”The Crisis of the Modern World”
    — Rene Guenon. (Read Here)
  • ”The Doctrine Of Fascism”
    — Benito Mussolini. (Read Here)
  • ”The Conservative Mind”
    — Russell Kirk.
  • "On the Constutution of Church and State"
    — Samuel Taylor Coleridge
  • "Political Theology"
    — Carl Schmitt (Read Here)
  • "Revolt Against The Modern World"
    — Julius Evola
  • "How To Be A Conservative"
    — Roger Scruton

If you have a penchant for the colour red and the thought of top hats and canes stirs your bloodlust, you might find yourself fitting in better over at the Left-Wing Discussion Thread.
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Postby Pacomia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:07 pm

first

now bye
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It begins again.
Yes, yes, I'm racist and fascist because I disagree with you. Can we skip that part? I've heard it a million times before and I guarantee it won't be any different when you do it.
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Postby Pacomia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:08 pm

Wait, so, I'm new to this thread series. What's the point of this?
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right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:09 pm

Was gonna say something before last thread got locked, but I'll just do it here - Nea Byzantia, you've got a very interesting view of leftism if you think classical liberals can be called left-wing.
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Good afternoon everybody.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:09 pm

A new dawn awaits.

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And the fuckery shall live on for another 500 pages.
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Arcturus Novus wrote:Was gonna say something before last thread got locked, but I'll just do it here - Nea Byzantia, you've got a very interesting view of leftism if you think classical liberals can be called left-wing.

Where would you put me on the political spectrum?

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Pacomia wrote:Wait, so, I'm new to this thread series. What's the point of this?

Every 500 pages we make a new thread.
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Arcturus Novus wrote:Was gonna say something before last thread got locked, but I'll just do it here - Nea Byzantia, you've got a very interesting view of leftism if you think classical liberals can be called left-wing.

Society has moved so Leftward that Classical Liberalism is now considered Right-Wing; but it was not always this way.

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Postby Pacomia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:10 pm

I haven't actually seen any Left-Wing Discussion threads. Maybe I should make one.
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Results of political various tests I took meme
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem
Both the far left and far right are equally insane.
GLORY TO CASCADIA I’m a socialist. it’s different from communism. NUCLEAR ENERGY IS A GOOD THING!
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:11 pm

Pacomia wrote:Wait, so, I'm new to this thread series. What's the point of this?

It is to discuss and debate any right-wing philosophies.

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Postby Nakena » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:12 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Was gonna say something before last thread got locked, but I'll just do it here - Nea Byzantia, you've got a very interesting view of leftism if you think classical liberals can be called left-wing.

Where would you put me on the political spectrum?


Center-right libertarian with centrist leanings.

Until you are being endangered by communism.

Then you slide all the way towards the right.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:12 pm

Pacomia wrote:I haven't actually seen any Left-Wing Discussion threads. Maybe I should make one.

One already exists. When it gets locked after reaching 500 pages, feel free to post the next installment of it.
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Old Tyrannia a reading list suggestion if I may?

The Right Side of History: How Reason and Moral Purpose Made the West Great by Ben Shapiro.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:13 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:Old Tyrannia a reading list suggestion if I may?

The Right Side of History: How Reason and Moral Purpose Made the West Great by Ben Shapiro.

Ugh, Ben Shapiro... Really?
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Greater Cesnica wrote:Old Tyrannia a reading list suggestion if I may?

The Right Side of History: How Reason and Moral Purpose Made the West Great by Ben Shapiro.

Oof.
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Nea Byzantia wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Was gonna say something before last thread got locked, but I'll just do it here - Nea Byzantia, you've got a very interesting view of leftism if you think classical liberals can be called left-wing.

Society has moved so Leftward that Classical Liberalism is now considered Right-Wing; but it was not always this way.

well yes, back in the day when it was left wing minarchism was similarly somewhere around the center/establishment arguably, calling out political leanings on relative historical positions doesn't seem prudent imo
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:14 pm

Pacomia wrote:I haven't actually seen any Left-Wing Discussion threads. Maybe I should make one.

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=461765
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Was gonna say something before last thread got locked, but I'll just do it here - Nea Byzantia, you've got a very interesting view of leftism if you think classical liberals can be called left-wing.

Where would you put me on the political spectrum?

If we're talking like, two-axis political compass nonsense, firmly lib-right. In more specific terms I'd describe you as a right-libertarian with nationalist tendencies.
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Old Tyrannia wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Old Tyrannia a reading list suggestion if I may?

The Right Side of History: How Reason and Moral Purpose Made the West Great by Ben Shapiro.

Ugh, Ben Shapiro... Really?

oh uh... *Scoots away*
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Nova Cyberia wrote:The Freikorps did nothing wrong.

the SADF didn't either :^)
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Postby Pacomia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:14 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Pacomia wrote:I haven't actually seen any Left-Wing Discussion threads. Maybe I should make one.

One already exists. When it gets locked, feel free to post the next installment of it.

Cool.

I might hang around both this thread and that one, or only one, or neither. I personally am a moderate leftist, I hold mostly left-wing ideals (especially related to the economy), but a few more conservative ones. I think both ideologies are valid.
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Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem
Both the far left and far right are equally insane.
GLORY TO CASCADIA I’m a socialist. it’s different from communism. NUCLEAR ENERGY IS A GOOD THING!
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Postby Novus America » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:15 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:It begins again.


And we must again plunge into the depths of the darkness, despite knowing we shall find nothing but terror and sorrow.
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