"Und Doch" Trend

[Nakena]

The trumpet playing skeleton looked more upbeat though.

>not referring to mr skeltal by his christian name
first of all, how DARE you

oof. Mr Skeltal, of course.

[Proctopeo]

Is that supposed to look like Armored Skeptic?

Nah, not intentionally. People have pointed it out before (presumably because both have knight masks, even though mine is different).

It looks identical outside of color tbh

[Cekoviu]

Nah, not intentionally. People have pointed it out before (presumably because both have knight masks, even though mine is different).

It looks identical outside of color tbh

This is Armoured Skeptic's avatar:

My flag is in a different position, has different eye slats, doesn't have the small indentations somewhat outside of the lower slats, lacks the bolt-looking things at the top, isn't winking, is digitally drawn rather than being a photo, has heavily simplified coloration, has a visible neck guard, and is not in a tuxedo.

[Proctopeo]

It looks identical outside of color tbh

This is Armoured Skeptic's avatar:

My flag is in a different position, has different eye slats, doesn't have the small indentations somewhat outside of the lower slats, lacks the bolt-looking things at the top, isn't winking, is digitally drawn rather than being a photo, has heavily simplified coloration, has a visible neck guard, and is not in a tuxedo.

In his videos, though, he does use that exact picture, just not pink and in a tuxedo.
At least from what I remember, anyway, I think it's been over a year at this point.

[Cekoviu]

This is Armoured Skeptic's avatar:

My flag is in a different position, has different eye slats, doesn't have the small indentations somewhat outside of the lower slats, lacks the bolt-looking things at the top, isn't winking, is digitally drawn rather than being a photo, has heavily simplified coloration, has a visible neck guard, and is not in a tuxedo.

In his videos, though, he does use that exact picture, just not pink and in a tuxedo.
At least from what I remember, anyway, I think it's been over a year at this point.

It's possible that he uses the same one that I modeled the picture off of. Idk, I don't watch him.
Regardless, it wasn't an intentional play on that. I just found a picture that worked in the position I wanted it to and then drew from that.

[Proctopeo]

In his videos, though, he does use that exact picture, just not pink and in a tuxedo.
At least from what I remember, anyway, I think it's been over a year at this point.

It's possible that he uses the same one that I modeled the picture off of. Idk, I don't watch him.
Regardless, it wasn't an intentional play on that. I just found a picture that worked in the position I wanted it to and then drew from that.

Eh, fair enough.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

It's possible that he uses the same one that I modeled the picture off of. Idk, I don't watch him.
Regardless, it wasn't an intentional play on that. I just found a picture that worked in the position I wanted it to and then drew from that.

Eh, fair enough.

Youtube skeptics are kind of notoriously lazy, so I wouldn’t put it past him.

[Nakena]

In his videos, though, he does use that exact picture, just not pink and in a tuxedo.
At least from what I remember, anyway, I think it's been over a year at this point.

It's possible that he uses the same one that I modeled the picture off of. Idk, I don't watch him.
Regardless, it wasn't an intentional play on that. I just found a picture that worked in the position I wanted it to and then drew from that.

You did well with the shading. I wasnt aware the picture was original content.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

When NS’s resident fascists, reactionaries and far-righters all adopt a thing as their flags at around the same time then I’m gonna be immediately suspicious of any meaning behind said thing, no matter what it is or has historically been.



By the same token, so has the words socialist and communist when many on the right started calling everyone even a centimeter to the left one.

It truly is perplexing as to why people who oppose communism would adopt the symbols used by notable groups of anti-communists.

I’m sure there’s more to the usage and context than that, I just don’t trust fascists, reactionaries or other far-righters in general to be particularly honest about it.

[Nakena]

It truly is perplexing as to why people who oppose communism would adopt the symbols used by notable groups of anti-communists.

I’m sure there’s more to the usage and context than that, I just don’t trust fascists, reactionaries or far-righters to be particularly honest about it.

Iron Division is rather obscure and little known. I've had to research it myself first, when it appeared here.

[Salus Maior]

It truly is perplexing as to why people who oppose communism would adopt the symbols used by notable groups of anti-communists.

I’m sure there’s more to the usage and context than that, I just don’t trust fascists, reactionaries or far-righters to be particularly honest about it.

....What else could there be to it?

[Nova Cyberia]

It truly is perplexing as to why people who oppose communism would adopt the symbols used by notable groups of anti-communists.

I’m sure there’s more to the usage and context than that, I just don’t trust fascists, reactionaries or far-righters to be particularly honest about it.

You're willing to accept that frogs and ok signs are racist but you doubt that anti-communist symbols are strictly anti-communist?

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

I’m sure there’s more to the usage and context than that, I just don’t trust fascists, reactionaries or far-righters to be particularly honest about it.

You're willing to accept that frogs and ok signs are racist but you doubt that anti-communist symbols are strictly anti-communist?

Don’t expect consistency.

[Cekoviu]

It's possible that he uses the same one that I modeled the picture off of. Idk, I don't watch him.
Regardless, it wasn't an intentional play on that. I just found a picture that worked in the position I wanted it to and then drew from that.

You did well with the shading. I wasnt aware the picture was original content.

Thanks. I'm usually too lazy to actually properly shade, so you're only seeing the best.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I’m sure there’s more to the usage and context than that, I just don’t trust fascists, reactionaries or far-righters to be particularly honest about it.

You're willing to accept that frogs and ok signs are racist but you doubt that anti-communist symbols are strictly anti-communist?

As I am immensely distrustful of most right wingers, especially fascists, reactionaries, neo-Nazis, etc. I very much doubt their using of anti-communist symbols is strictly anti-communists since, as you should hopefully know, symbols, like words, hold multiple meanings depending on who uses them.

[Nova Cyberia]

You're willing to accept that frogs and ok signs are racist but you doubt that anti-communist symbols are strictly anti-communist?

As I am immensely distrustful of most right wingers, especially fascists, reactionaries, neo-Nazis, etc. I very much doubt their using of anti-communist symbols is strictly anti-communists since, as you should hopefully know, symbols, like words, hold multiple meanings depending on who uses them.

Your bigotry against rightists isn't really our problem.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

You're willing to accept that frogs and ok signs are racist but you doubt that anti-communist symbols are strictly anti-communist?

As I am immensely distrustful of most right wingers, especially fascists, reactionaries, neo-Nazis, etc. I very much doubt their using of anti-communist symbols is strictly anti-communists since, as you should hopefully know, symbols, like words, hold multiple meanings depending on who uses them.

We are not all like the Nazis, and we certainly are not all engaging in a bigoted conspiracy.

[Scomagia]

As I am immensely distrustful of most right wingers, especially fascists, reactionaries, neo-Nazis, etc. I very much doubt their using of anti-communist symbols is strictly anti-communists since, as you should hopefully know, symbols, like words, hold multiple meanings depending on who uses them.

We are not all like the Nazis, and we certainly are not all engaging in a bigoted conspiracy.

Well, naturally you'd say that.

But seriously, this conspiratorial mindset is beyond preposterous.

[Nakena]

You're willing to accept that frogs and ok signs are racist but you doubt that anti-communist symbols are strictly anti-communist?

As I am immensely distrustful of most right wingers, especially fascists, reactionaries, neo-Nazis, etc. I very much doubt their using of anti-communist symbols is strictly anti-communists since, as you should hopefully know, symbols, like words, hold multiple meanings depending on who uses them.

The Iron Division in the Baltics have quite a story of their own and it's something that I believe a number of people can identify it. It wasnt until today that I learned more about them, and I can't say that it has decreased my sympathies for them.

But hey what you're afraid of? I mean I am here to talk.

You did well with the shading. I wasnt aware the picture was original content.

Thanks. I'm usually too lazy to actually properly shade, so you're only seeing the best.

Nothing less than the best for NSG!

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

As I am immensely distrustful of most right wingers, especially fascists, reactionaries, neo-Nazis, etc. I very much doubt their using of anti-communist symbols is strictly anti-communists since, as you should hopefully know, symbols, like words, hold multiple meanings depending on who uses them.

Your bigotry against rightists isn't really our problem.

I don’t really care what is or isn’t your problem. Just making opinion on the trend known, you’re welcome to ignore them if you want.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

As I am immensely distrustful of most right wingers, especially fascists, reactionaries, neo-Nazis, etc. I very much doubt their using of anti-communist symbols is strictly anti-communists since, as you should hopefully know, symbols, like words, hold multiple meanings depending on who uses them.

We are not all like the Nazis, and we certainly are not all engaging in a bigoted conspiracy.

I know and you’re none of those things that I listed though, so I’m all cool with you and what you’re doing.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

As I am immensely distrustful of most right wingers, especially fascists, reactionaries, neo-Nazis, etc. I very much doubt their using of anti-communist symbols is strictly anti-communists since, as you should hopefully know, symbols, like words, hold multiple meanings depending on who uses them.

The Iron Division in the Baltics have quite a story of their own and it's something that I believe a number of people can identify it. It wasnt until today that I learned more about them, and I can't say that it has decreased my sympathies for them.

But hey what you're afraid of? I mean I am here to talk.

I’m not necessarily afraid of anything in this case (though I’m afraid of far right ideologies in general since those pose a threat my existence as a person), just a bit suspicious of the usage of such symbols by individuals of the authoritarian and totalitarian right here all around the same time. I very much doubt it’s purely for anti-communist reasons, since a lot of the far right has a history of using various symbols to not only dog whistle but to use as a wink-wink to each other and a means to ID each other. But hey, that’s just me.

[Purgatio]

The Iron Division in the Baltics have quite a story of their own and it's something that I believe a number of people can identify it. It wasnt until today that I learned more about them, and I can't say that it has decreased my sympathies for them.

But hey what you're afraid of? I mean I am here to talk.

I’m not necessarily afraid of anything in this case (though I’m afraid of far right ideologies in general since those pose a threat my existence as a person), just a bit suspicious of the usage of such symbols by individuals of the authoritarian and totalitarian right here all around the same time. I very much doubt it’s purely for anti-communist reasons, since a lot of the far right has a history of using various symbols to not only dog whistle but to use as a wink-wink to each other and a means to ID each other. But hey, that’s just me.

Is it really, really, really so hard to believe that after a bloody 20th Century where Nazism slaughtered millions and Soviet Communism slaughtered millions, the majority of normal, thinking people out there who use anti-Communist symbolism and iconography are doing so to condemn the brutality of Communism rather than to extoll the brutality of Nazism?

What is with some on the Left imputing basically the worst and most reprehensible of intentions on your ideological opponents' innocuous and otherwise-equivocal actions?

[Mary Jusra]

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[Nakena]

The Iron Division in the Baltics have quite a story of their own and it's something that I believe a number of people can identify it. It wasnt until today that I learned more about them, and I can't say that it has decreased my sympathies for them.

But hey what you're afraid of? I mean I am here to talk.

I’m not necessarily afraid of anything in this case (though I’m afraid of far right ideologies in general since those pose a threat my existence as a person), just a bit suspicious of the usage of such symbols by individuals of the authoritarian and totalitarian right here all around the same time. I very much doubt it’s purely for anti-communist reasons, since a lot of the far right has a history of using various symbols to not only dog whistle but to use as a wink-wink to each other and a means to ID each other. But hey, that’s just me.

Whats kinda interesting that some people from the "totalitarian right" (I think you mean nazis right?) and other intolerant folks do not necessarily use those symbols as much. Most of them are rather shoddy in their appearence. Here on NSG alot of them dont even bother to set up a proper nation or sig to my experience. Sometimes not even a flag.

But why you feel threatened in your existence?