"Und Doch" Trend

[Purgatio]

Which is a shame. The word has an objective meaning but at this point it just refers to anyone to the right of ANTIFA, basically.

Daily reminder that the left viewing anyone normal as a Nazi has been happening since at least 2003.

Ugh the Left is insane, always has been, but now its just getting worse. Thankfully their insanity is driving a lot of centrist and moderates away from their hyperbole, fear-mongering and exaggerations about Nazism

[Bear Stearns]

I corrected my pint on the time period but going around butchering villages of different ethnicities to secure your own is pretty genocidal

Is there any evidence at all that the Freikorps targeted any community on the basis of race alone and not ideology?

There was a lot of anti-German ethnic violence in those days. A lot of them formed to defend against it.

[Cekoviu]

Which is a shame. The word has an objective meaning but at this point it just refers to anyone to the right of ANTIFA, basically.

Daily reminder that the left viewing anyone normal as a Nazi has been happening since at least 2003.

Wow, that dead horse has been beaten into a pulp at this point.

[Cekoviu]

Daily reminder that the left viewing anyone normal as a Nazi has been happening since at least 2003.

Ugh the Left is insane, always has been, but now its just getting worse. Thankfully their insanity is driving a lot of centrist and moderates away from their hyperbole, fear-mongering and exaggerations about Nazism

Hoo, the irony is strong with this one.

[Purgatio]

Ugh the Left is insane, always has been, but now its just getting worse. Thankfully their insanity is driving a lot of centrist and moderates away from their hyperbole, fear-mongering and exaggerations about Nazism

Hoo, the irony is strong with this one.

What?

[Bear Stearns]

Daily reminder that the left viewing anyone normal as a Nazi has been happening since at least 2003.

Wow, that dead horse has been beaten into a pulp at this point.

Look out, a fascist dictator will get you.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

I still believe "Und Dude" is a strong contender

Yeah, but mine also plays on the skull, which can't be said for that.

the doot is far inferior to the complex intricacies of the professional and formal " u n d d u d e "

[Nea Byzantia]

NS mods are Nazis now.

Well, a certain mod dressed up as an SS once in 1944, but I know it was just part of their job for the MI6.

In all seriousness, though, which mod do you speak of?

[Arcturus Novus]

Alright, so:
-y'all are right that fascism is usually a reactionary force in the rise of socialism and communism. however, that doesn't mean it's the communists' fault that people are tempted to join ranks with fascists, it's literally the fascists' fault for being so afraid of the "scary lefties" that they decide to pursue an ideology which is historically and demonstrably fucked.
-i'm not going to try to defend the various crimes of the USSR, PRC, DPRK, etc., but mostly because i think any system where power is entirely centralized is a bad one.
-the freikorps weren't nazis, but it's a historically documented fact that right-wing paramilitaries in Germany helped lead to the demise of the KPD and the rise of the NSDAP.
-you can say "it's not a nazi/ss symbol" all you want but you can't get all uppity when people think it looks like a totenkopf. like, c'mon now. it's pretty fucking similar.
-farn's flag is clearly a mockery, she's not fash by any means. nor are pretty much any of the mods, to my knowledge.
-no one is really calling "good honest normal people" literal nazis. stop exaggerating and bad-faith arguing.

[Cekoviu]

Hoo, the irony is strong with this one.

What?

You and Bear Stearns are currently fearmongering about the left.

Yeah, but mine also plays on the skull, which can't be said for that.

the doot is far inferior to the complex intricacies of the professional and formal " u n d d u d e "

[user had their calcium stolen for this post]

[Bear Stearns]

Alright, so:
-y'all are right that fascism is usually a reactionary force in the rise of socialism and communism. however, that doesn't mean it's the communists' fault that people are tempted to join ranks with fascists, it's literally the fascists' fault for being so afraid of the "scary lefties" that they decide to pursue an ideology which is historically and demonstrably fucked.

Could it be that the "scary lefties" are actually scary because ya know...they're murdering people?

[Internationalist Bastard]

I corrected my pint on the time period but going around butchering villages of different ethnicities to secure your own is pretty genocidal

Is there any evidence at all that the Freikorps targeted any community on the basis of race alone and not ideology?

I mean killing people who aren’t of said ideology and are of a different ethnicity is a good hint

[Purgatio]

Alright, so:
-y'all are right that fascism is usually a reactionary force in the rise of socialism and communism. however, that doesn't mean it's the communists' fault that people are tempted to join ranks with fascists, it's literally the fascists' fault for being so afraid of the "scary lefties" that they decide to pursue an ideology which is historically and demonstrably fucked.
-i'm not going to try to defend the various crimes of the USSR, PRC, DPRK, etc., but mostly because i think any system where power is entirely centralized is a bad one.
-the freikorps weren't nazis, but it's a historically documented fact that right-wing paramilitaries in Germany helped lead to the demise of the KPD and the rise of the NSDAP.
-you can say "it's not a nazi/ss symbol" all you want but you can't get all uppity when people think it looks like a totenkopf. like, c'mon now. it's pretty fucking similar.
-farn's flag is clearly a mockery, she's not fash by any means. nor are pretty much any of the mods, to my knowledge.
-no one is really calling "good honest normal people" literal nazis. stop exaggerating and bad-faith arguing.

1) The Freikorps hated the Communists. The Communists were the Nazis' main enemy. Hence, by fighting the Communists, the Freikorps might have inadvertently aided the rise of Nazism. None of this means the Freikorps were Nazis, it just means the Freikorps hated Communism, as do most people today.

2) No one is calling good honest normal people Nazis? What about ANTIFA and how they justify violence against 'fascists' on the basis that it is supposedly a violent ideology and go around attacking a journalist like Andy Ngo https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/454712-conservative-journalist-andy-ngo-says-antifa-attack-resulted-in-brain-injury or Marine reservists https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2019/01/30/third-man-charged-in-alleged-antifa-assault-of-two-marine-reservists-in-philadelphia/ or two random men walking by their rally in Oregon https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/1/two-more-oregon-men-left-bloody-antifa-attack-port/

Clearly this isn't 'bad faith arguing'. There are people out there who do deem good honest normal people to be Nazis and fascists.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Is there any evidence at all that the Freikorps targeted any community on the basis of race alone and not ideology?

I mean killing people who aren’t of said ideology and are of a different ethnicity is a good hint

No racism where you want some? Well, do I have the easy solution for you; make some shit up™.

[Risottia]

Is there any evidence at all that the Freikorps targeted any community on the basis of race alone and not ideology?

I mean killing people who aren’t of said ideology and are of a different ethnicity is a good hint

Well, it's not a chance that the NSDAP emerged from the Freikorps, just like the Fascists emerged from the Arditi.

[Purgatio]

What?

You and Bear Stearns are currently fearmongering about the left.

the doot is far inferior to the complex intricacies of the professional and formal " u n d d u d e "

[user had their calcium stolen for this post]

How on Earth am I fearmongering about the Left? Nothing I have said in this thread is untrue. I'm criticising the Left but that's not the same as baseless and untrue stoking of fear

[Purgatio]

Is there any evidence at all that the Freikorps targeted any community on the basis of race alone and not ideology?

I mean killing people who aren’t of said ideology and are of a different ethnicity is a good hint

Again, where's the evidence for this

[Arcturus Novus]

Alright, so:
-y'all are right that fascism is usually a reactionary force in the rise of socialism and communism. however, that doesn't mean it's the communists' fault that people are tempted to join ranks with fascists, it's literally the fascists' fault for being so afraid of the "scary lefties" that they decide to pursue an ideology which is historically and demonstrably fucked.

Could it be that the "scary lefties" are actually scary because ya know...they're murdering people?

https://bsos.umd.edu/featured-content/proportion-terrorist-attacks
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-the-united-states-right-wing-violence-is-on-the-rise/2018/11/25/61f7f24a-deb4-11e8-85df-7a6b4d25cfbb_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3a4813174afd
https://www.splcenter.org/20180723/terror-right
https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states

[Scomagia]

It seems so. Well, their own fault when Gen Z Westerners grow up to be fascist paramilitary fighters.

I hope that does not happen. I hate communism, but fascism ain't good either.

Indeed. They are the perennial giant douche and turd sandwich.

[Cekoviu]

You and Bear Stearns are currently fearmongering about the left.

[user had their calcium stolen for this post]

How on Earth am I fearmongering about the Left? Nothing I have said in this thread is untrue. I'm criticising the Left but that's not the same as baseless and untrue stoking of fear

You're not exactly fearmongering so much as using hyperbole, I suppose. The fearmongering has mainly been the work of Bear Stearns.

[Scomagia]

They just found a loophole to the no SS symbolism rule and are abusing it. Judging by Farn's usage of the slogan some of the mods are very sympathetic. I'm guessing one or two of the higher ups are still opposed to this or else the no nazi symbols rule would be removed. NS has become the summer.

My "Und DEAT" is meant as mockery, to be honest. I did debate smacking the first flags I saw with the death's head but on looking into it, I decided to allow it, for the moment. I will, however, take down my flag.

You shouldn't. Your flag, like mine, is clearly mocking. No need to remove.

[Purgatio]

Could it be that the "scary lefties" are actually scary because ya know...they're murdering people?

https://bsos.umd.edu/featured-content/proportion-terrorist-attacks
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-the-united-states-right-wing-violence-is-on-the-rise/2018/11/25/61f7f24a-deb4-11e8-85df-7a6b4d25cfbb_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3a4813174afd
https://www.splcenter.org/20180723/terror-right
https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states

You do get that you can be afraid of Cause of Death A even though there is a bigger Cause of Death B out there, right?

Like, I'm scared of getting cancer even though more people die of heart disease, because I can be scared of both. You get that, right?

[Internationalist Bastard]

I mean killing people who aren’t of said ideology and are of a different ethnicity is a good hint

Again, where's the evidence for this

I mean literally a cursory look into them says they killed several Baltic nationalists before said nationalists turned and attacked the Friekorps
Again this took me like, literally one google search

[Bear Stearns]

Could it be that the "scary lefties" are actually scary because ya know...they're murdering people?

https://bsos.umd.edu/featured-content/proportion-terrorist-attacks
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-the-united-states-right-wing-violence-is-on-the-rise/2018/11/25/61f7f24a-deb4-11e8-85df-7a6b4d25cfbb_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3a4813174afd
https://www.splcenter.org/20180723/terror-right
https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states

Was referring to the time period of Friekorps but okay.

[Nea Byzantia]

Could it be that the "scary lefties" are actually scary because ya know...they're murdering people?

https://bsos.umd.edu/featured-content/proportion-terrorist-attacks
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-the-united-states-right-wing-violence-is-on-the-rise/2018/11/25/61f7f24a-deb4-11e8-85df-7a6b4d25cfbb_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3a4813174afd
https://www.splcenter.org/20180723/terror-right
https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states

The ADL is just a little bit biased, though...