"Und Doch" Trend

[Ifreann]

Got this from one of your own Anti-Bolshevik Brigade bois while trying to find out what it is your people believe.

Literally the only reason people say this is because you had people like Fridolin von Spaun who was a Freikorps member and voted for the Nazis, and some Freikorps members joined the SA or SS, but that doesn't make the Freikorps a 'precursor' of the Nazis in any meaningful sense. They were both on the far right, and they both despised Communism, but those are, like, the only two similarities between them.

Like I said to the other guy, tell it to Wikipedia.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Literally the only reason people say this is because you had people like Fridolin von Spaun who was a Freikorps member and voted for the Nazis, and some Freikorps members joined the SA or SS, but that doesn't make the Freikorps a 'precursor' of the Nazis in any meaningful sense. They were both on the far right, and they both despised Communism, but those are, like, the only two similarities between them.

Like I said to the other guy, tell it to Wikipedia.

Lucky for you, it's actually possible to not believe everything Wikipedia says, and even further possible for Wikipedia to be occasionally wrong. Revolutionary, I know.

[Nea Byzantia]

Like I said to the other guy, tell it to Wikipedia.

Lucky for you, it's actually possible to not believe everything Wikipedia says, and even further possible for Wikipedia to be occasionally wrong. Revolutionary, I know.

Next they'll be telling us CNN isn't real news...

[Purgatio]

Literally the only reason people say this is because you had people like Fridolin von Spaun who was a Freikorps member and voted for the Nazis, and some Freikorps members joined the SA or SS, but that doesn't make the Freikorps a 'precursor' of the Nazis in any meaningful sense. They were both on the far right, and they both despised Communism, but those are, like, the only two similarities between them.

Like I said to the other guy, tell it to Wikipedia.

Actually, since you cited that line in Wikipedia as evidence that the Freikorps were the precursor to the Nazis, its fair to ask you to defend your own argument (and the proof you cited in support of it).

Also, I should point out Wikipedia's 'source' for this incendiary and unsupported historical claim is a single line from a NYT article that says "as the precursor to the Nazis, the Freikorps..." and never gives even one example or shred of evidence in support of this outlandish one-liner. So, you know, just saying, this claim is pretty speculative and unsupported.

[Purgatio]

Also, not sure why OP is reading so much into this. My simple guess would be that, for those who don't speak German at least, the flag coupled with the words 'Und Doch' sounds cool and vaguely intimidating, so the trend caught on. Best not to assume sophisticated intentions behind something some people on the Internet do.

I need to pad out the post somehow.

Yeah, fair enough

[Ifreann]

Like I said to the other guy, tell it to Wikipedia.

Lucky for you, it's actually possible to not believe everything Wikipedia says, and even further possible for Wikipedia to be occasionally wrong. Revolutionary, I know.

Like I told one of the other other freikorps people, if you don't like that source as an explanation of your beliefs, bring it up at the next ABB meeting. I didn't go looking for it, WRA gave it to me when I was trying to find out what y'all freikorps people believe.

[Purgatio]

Lucky for you, it's actually possible to not believe everything Wikipedia says, and even further possible for Wikipedia to be occasionally wrong. Revolutionary, I know.

Like I told one of the other other freikorps people, if you don't like that source as an explanation of your beliefs, bring it up at the next ABB meeting. I didn't go looking for it, WRA gave it to me when I was trying to find out what y'all freikorps people believe.

The Freikorps hated Communists and shot them when they tried to set up a Communist government in Munich. That's literally all there is to them, nothing Nazi about that at all.

[Ifreann]

Like I said to the other guy, tell it to Wikipedia.

Actually, since you cited that line in Wikipedia as evidence that the Freikorps were the precursor to the Nazis, its fair to ask you to defend your own argument (and the proof you cited in support of it).

Also, I should point out Wikipedia's 'source' for this incendiary and unsupported historical claim is a single line from a NYT article that says "as the precursor to the Nazis, the Freikorps..." and never gives even one example or shred of evidence in support of this outlandish one-liner. So, you know, just saying, this claim is pretty speculative and unsupported.

Like I told one of the other other freikorps people, if you don't like that source as an explanation of your beliefs, bring it up at the next ABB meeting. I didn't go looking for it, WRA gave it to me when I was trying to find out what y'all freikorps people believe.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Lucky for you, it's actually possible to not believe everything Wikipedia says, and even further possible for Wikipedia to be occasionally wrong. Revolutionary, I know.

Next they'll be telling us CNN isn't real news...

Depends on what reporter you get.

[Nea Byzantia]

Next they'll be telling us CNN isn't real news...

Depends on what reporter you get.

Almost none of them are honest. Fiction authors probably give a more realistic vision of the World than your average journalist. At least they tell you that they're writing Fiction.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Depends on what reporter you get.

Almost none of them are honest. Fiction authors probably give a more realistic vision of the World than your average journalist. At least they tell you that they're writing Fiction.

I understand. I don't like the current narratives either. Do you have any news sources you trust?

[Nea Byzantia]

Almost none of them are honest. Fiction authors probably give a more realistic vision of the World than your average journalist. At least they tell you that they're writing Fiction.

I understand. I don't like the current narratives either. Do you have any news sources you trust?

Not specifically, no. I tend to jump around to multiple different sources. I'm very eclectic in my reading.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I understand. I don't like the current narratives either. Do you have any news sources you trust?

Not specifically, no. I tend to jump around to multiple different sources. I'm very eclectic in my reading.

Same here.

[Scomagia]

Wow. This thread devolved quickly.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Wow. This thread devolved quickly.

Let's get it back.

[Scomagia]

Wow. This thread devolved quickly.

Let's get it back.

I dunno. I feel bad for being a Nazi (according to our resident anarchist violence supporters) for being memey. I guess my ideology totally flipped as soon as I started trying to be funny. Who knew?

[Purgatio]

Let's get it back.

I dunno. I feel bad for being a Nazi (according to our resident anarchist violence supporters) for being memey. I guess my ideology totally flipped as soon as I started trying to be funny. Who knew?

There's literally nothing remotely Nazi about even the original Und Doch paramilitary group, much less the meme

[Bear Stearns]

Anti-communism is good, wholesome, and nothing to be ashamed of.

[Farnhamia]

I dunno. I feel bad for being a Nazi (according to our resident anarchist violence supporters) for being memey. I guess my ideology totally flipped as soon as I started trying to be funny. Who knew?

There's literally nothing remotely Nazi about even the original Und Doch paramilitary group, much less the meme

Well, considering they pursued extralegal "solutions" to their perceived problems, I would be very, very careful about advocating the same things here or holding them up as an example.

[Nea Byzantia]

Anti-communism is good, wholesome, and nothing to be ashamed of.

The Commies have a tendency of birthing the very Nazis they say they're opposed to.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

There's literally nothing remotely Nazi about even the original Und Doch paramilitary group, much less the meme

Well, considering they pursued extralegal "solutions" to their perceived problems, I would be very, very careful about advocating the same things here or holding them up as an example.

Is fighting evil with evil really evil? :bigthink:

[Bear Stearns]

Anti-communism is good, wholesome, and nothing to be ashamed of.

The Commies have a tendency of birthing the very Nazis they say they're opposed to.

It seems so. Well, their own fault when Gen Z Westerners grow up to be fascist paramilitary fighters.

[Nea Byzantia]

Well, considering they pursued extralegal "solutions" to their perceived problems, I would be very, very careful about advocating the same things here or holding them up as an example.

Is fighting evil with evil really evil? :bigthink:

Yes, because it only begets more evil. Nazism and Communism are just two different flavours of Evil.

[Arcturus Novus]

Anti-communism is good, wholesome, and nothing to be ashamed of.

The Commies have a tendency of birthing the very Nazis they say they're opposed to.

[citation needed]

[Bear Stearns]

There's literally nothing remotely Nazi about even the original Und Doch paramilitary group, much less the meme

Well, considering they pursued extralegal "solutions" to their perceived problems, I would be very, very careful about advocating the same things here or holding them up as an example.

Would you say the same to thing with anyone of the flag of a violent communist group, police force, or military unit? I've seen some PLA and North Korean flags around here before.