"Und Doch" Trend

[LiberNovusAmericae]

It is not a Nazi motto. It is from a group of mercenaries such as the Iron Division who fought in 1919. They predate the Nazis.

You might even call them precursors to the Nazis.

Doubtful. They did not want to put Jews in death camps. Fighting communism does not make one a Nazi in the making. It is pathetic that is believed in this day and age.

[Ifreann]

You might even call them precursors to the Nazis.

Doubtful. They did not want to put Jews in death camps. Fighting communism does not make one a Nazi in the making. It is pathetic that is believed in this day and age.

Got this from one of your own Anti-Bolshevik Brigade bois while trying to find out what it is your people believe.

The Freikorps were anti-communist right-wing paramilitaries (which were essential in fighting against and dismantling the Communist Revolution in Germany between 1918 and 1919) who are widely seen as a precursor to Nazism and responsible for the assassination of Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, the leaders of the Communist Revolution

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Doubtful. They did not want to put Jews in death camps. Fighting communism does not make one a Nazi in the making. It is pathetic that is believed in this day and age.

Got this from one of your own Anti-Bolshevik Brigade bois while trying to find out what it is your people believe.

The Freikorps were anti-communist right-wing paramilitaries (which were essential in fighting against and dismantling the Communist Revolution in Germany between 1918 and 1919) who are widely seen as a precursor to Nazism and responsible for the assassination of Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, the leaders of the Communist Revolution

I'll be sure to weep for the would be Bolsheviks in Germany.

[Ifreann]

Got this from one of your own Anti-Bolshevik Brigade bois while trying to find out what it is your people believe.

I'll be sure to weep for the would be Bolsheviks in Germany.

Can I take this to mean that you're conceding that the Freikorps were precursors to Nazism?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Oof my bad
Still evil

I think you fit right into our Brigade ^^

What makes it evil to you?

They weren’t basically bandits, only genocidal
So yeah

[Nakena]

Doubtful. They did not want to put Jews in death camps. Fighting communism does not make one a Nazi in the making. It is pathetic that is believed in this day and age.

Got this from one of your own Anti-Bolshevik Brigade bois while trying to find out what it is your people believe.

The Freikorps were anti-communist right-wing paramilitaries (which were essential in fighting against and dismantling the Communist Revolution in Germany between 1918 and 1919) who are widely seen as a precursor to Nazism and responsible for the assassination of Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, the leaders of the Communist Revolution

Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht weren't the leaders of a communist revolution. They just had a little newspaper. They were however, by many depicted as leaders of a bolshevist revolution which they werent, but led to them being executed on direct orders of President Friedrich Ebert.

The myth of them being leaders of a communist revolution has been propagated by various parties circles (specifically the later german communist party and the east german regime) to justify their respective bullshit.

[Ifreann]

Got this from one of your own Anti-Bolshevik Brigade bois while trying to find out what it is your people believe.

Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht weren't the leaders of a communist revolution. They just had a little newspaper. They were however, by many depicted as leaders of a bolshevist revolution which they werent, but led to them being killed.

The myth of them being leaders of a communist revolution has been propagated by various parties circles (specifically the later german communist party and the east german regime) to justify their respective bullshit.

If you don't like that source as an explanation of your beliefs, bring it up at the next ABB meeting.

[Nakena]

Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht weren't the leaders of a communist revolution. They just had a little newspaper. They were however, by many depicted as leaders of a bolshevist revolution which they werent, but led to them being killed.

The myth of them being leaders of a communist revolution has been propagated by various parties circles (specifically the later german communist party and the east german regime) to justify their respective bullshit.

If you don't like that source as an explanation of your beliefs, bring it up at the next ABB meeting.

I am merely pointing out historical details. For example that Luxembourg and Liebknecht were being murdered on orders of social democratic President Friedrich Ebert.

I think you fit right into our Brigade ^^

What makes it evil to you?

They weren’t basically bandits, only genocidal
So yeah

That isnt even an answer. The "Und Doch" Iron Division was a formation in the Baltics fighting against Bolsheviks in 1919-1920. I am not aware of any genocidal acts or connections to Nazis (which didn existed back then.)

[Nouveau Quebecois]

I don't know if I made this clear or not in the OP but the Freikorps existed and died before fascism was even conceived.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'll be sure to weep for the would be Bolsheviks in Germany.

Can I take this to mean that you're conceding that the Freikorps were precursors to Nazism?

No. I don't support that "widely" held belief. I'm saying I don't care that much that communists were assassinated.

[Ifreann]

Can I take this to mean that you're conceding that the Freikorps were precursors to Nazism?

No. I don't support that "widely" held belief.

Any particular reason? You could explain to Wikipedia why they're wrong and have the page edited.

I'm saying I don't care that much that communists were assassinated.

I didn't expect that you'd care about the lives of people who hold beliefs you disagree with.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

No. I don't support that "widely" held belief.

Any particular reason? You could explain to Wikipedia why they're wrong and have the page edited.

I'm saying I don't care that much that communists were assassinated.

I didn't expect that you'd care about the lives of people who hold beliefs you disagree with.

I know you're going to state that I'm evil for saying that, but to a communist that sentiment is mutual.

[Ifreann]

Any particular reason? You could explain to Wikipedia why they're wrong and have the page edited.

I didn't expect that you'd care about the lives of people who hold beliefs you disagree with.

I know you're going to state that I'm evil for saying that,

Nope. I don't think that's a useful way to describe people.

but to a communist that sentiment is mutual.

Are you saying that you think I'm evil? Or are you saying that you think that I don't value the lives of people who disagree with me?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I know you're going to state that I'm evil for saying that,

Nope. I don't think that's a useful way to describe people.

but to a communist that sentiment is mutual.

Are you saying that you think I'm evil? Or are you saying that you think that I don't value the lives of people who disagree with me?

The latter mostly. And if you are a communist who cares about the lives of the opposition, you are the exception, not the rule.

[Ifreann]

Nope. I don't think that's a useful way to describe people.

Are you saying that you think I'm evil? Or are you saying that you think that I don't value the lives of people who disagree with me?

The latter mostly. And if you are a communist who cares about the lives of the opposition, you are the exception, not the rule.

I value the lives of all people. Hopefully you'll come around to my way of thinking before your support of freikorps goes beyond internet flag-flying.

[Gormwood]

Most of the posters Freiballing right now were on the Pepe bandwagon not too long ago. Following memes into open sewer lines.

[The Grims]

Nope. I don't think that's a useful way to describe people.

Are you saying that you think I'm evil? Or are you saying that you think that I don't value the lives of people who disagree with me?

The latter mostly. And if you are a communist who cares about the lives of the opposition, you are the exception, not the rule.

Surely the more left one goes, the more care for others there is ? That is practically the definition of the left-right divide.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Surely the more left one goes, the more care for others there is ? That is practically the definition of the left-right divide.

I've never seen a statement more wrong, even by universal standards.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The latter mostly. And if you are a communist who cares about the lives of the opposition, you are the exception, not the rule.

Surely the more left one goes, the more care for others there is ? That is practically the definition of the left-right divide.

Tell that to the people who were enslaved in the Gulags. The soviets did not do that because they cared for others.

[Ifreann]

The latter mostly. And if you are a communist who cares about the lives of the opposition, you are the exception, not the rule.

Surely the more left one goes, the more care for others there is ? That is practically the definition of the left-right divide.

I expect that a supporter of far-right paramilitary groups will not think so positively of the left.

[Nea Byzantia]

The latter mostly. And if you are a communist who cares about the lives of the opposition, you are the exception, not the rule.

Surely the more left one goes, the more care for others there is ? That is practically the definition of the left-right divide.

Cause you know, Stalin just loved those Russian and Ukrainian peasants he was killing by the millions in the 1930s...

[Baltenstein]

Summer time is stormfront time.

[Purgatio]

Doubtful. They did not want to put Jews in death camps. Fighting communism does not make one a Nazi in the making. It is pathetic that is believed in this day and age.

Got this from one of your own Anti-Bolshevik Brigade bois while trying to find out what it is your people believe.

The Freikorps were anti-communist right-wing paramilitaries (which were essential in fighting against and dismantling the Communist Revolution in Germany between 1918 and 1919) who are widely seen as a precursor to Nazism and responsible for the assassination of Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, the leaders of the Communist Revolution

Literally the only reason people say this is because you had people like Fridolin von Spaun who was a Freikorps member and voted for the Nazis, and some Freikorps members joined the SA or SS, but that doesn't make the Freikorps a 'precursor' of the Nazis in any meaningful sense. They were both on the far right, and they both despised Communism, but those are, like, the only two similarities between them.

[Purgatio]

Also, not sure why OP is reading so much into this. My simple guess would be that, for those who don't speak German at least, the flag coupled with the words 'Und Doch' sounds cool and vaguely intimidating, so the trend caught on. Best not to assume sophisticated intentions behind something some people on the Internet do.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Also, not sure why OP is reading so much into this. My simple guess would be that, for those who don't speak German at least, the flag coupled with the words 'Und Doch' sounds cool and vaguely intimidating, so the trend caught on. Best not to assume sophisticated intentions behind something some people on the Internet do.

I need to pad out the post somehow.