"Und Doch" Trend

[Thermodolia]

Just another stupid millennial trend. Nothing to see here.

Actually, by this point, it seems Gen Z is more prevalent on this site, I’m barely Gen Z (1997)

Eh depends on where the line is. The people who came up with Gen Z and Millennial say that 04 is the dividing line while the US government claims 2000 as that line, several researchers like Pew say it’s 1999, others say it’s 1995, some say 1996, still others claim it’s 9,11,2001.

Basically there’s no hard or fast way to define millennials or Gen Z. Though you can say 1999 is the end point and you’d be pretty close to average.

[Torrocca]

In regards to AntiFA, it's more like, "Fascism's an inherent evil that erodes liberty and must be opposed at all costs," rather than just, "THING BAD".

I am pretty sure that is exactly what the Freikorps folks are saying about communism, and you are just trying to somehow make it sound dumbed down and lesser.

It's almost like Fascism and Communism are two completely different things, and only one group's understanding of the ideology that it opposes is actually correct here. Hint: it's not the Freikorps.

In regards to AntiFA, it's more like, "Fascism's an inherent evil that erodes liberty and must be opposed at all costs," rather than just, "THING BAD".

Anything right of center bad
Bike locks come out

Nooopeeeee. Not playing this game of yours.

[Aureumterra]

In regards to AntiFA, it's more like, "Fascism's an inherent evil that erodes liberty and must be opposed at all costs," rather than just, "THING BAD".

I am pretty sure that is exactly what the Freikorps folks are saying about communism, and you are just trying to somehow make it sound dumbed down and lesser.

Right

[Ifreann]

Foolish of me to think you were here for debate and discussion and not just virtue signalling with your buddies.

Lets be real Iffy, outside of occasional actual debate in LWDT and RWDT nobody is here for that. Pretty much everything on NSG turns into a circlejerk in one direction or the other.

I'm sure there are discord servers for that, you could spare us all your non-contributions.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-communism

This originates with the freikorps? They developed the philosophy in some key way? They penned some important books or essays?

No. They put it into action though, by fighting.

[Highever]

I am pretty sure that is exactly what the Freikorps folks are saying about communism, and you are just trying to somehow make it sound dumbed down and lesser.

It's almost like Fascism and Communism are two completely different things, and only one group's understanding of the ideology that it opposes is actually correct here. Hint: it's not the Freikorps.

Anything right of center bad
Bike locks come out

Nooopeeeee. Not playing this game of yours.

So...it is okay to oppose fascism (which I obviously am not disagreeing with) but it is not okay to oppose communism and anyone that does is just ignorant and objectively wrong?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Foolish of me to think you were here for debate and discussion and not just virtue signalling with your buddies.

Lets be real Iffy, outside of occasional actual debate in LWDT and RWDT nobody is here for that. Pretty much everything on NSG turns into a circlejerk in one direction or the other.

The more you say that, the more it will be true.

[Turbofolkia]

How?

Titoism wasn't half bad in comparison to other schools of thoughts. It's a shame it was built up in such an inherently unstable nation, I think it could have lasted a lot longer if it was anywhere else.

I don’t think Titoism is something that could be replicated somewhere else. The reason Tito was able to rule and implement his ideology was due to his charisma and his hero-status that he acquired from his time as a Partisan leader. It was an ideology that was quite specific to the people of Yugoslavia and was heavily dependent on Tito as an individual.

I mean, while my home country was definitely better off under Yugoslavia I certainly don’t regret its downfall either. It’s not a system to replicate.

[Aureumterra]

I am pretty sure that is exactly what the Freikorps folks are saying about communism, and you are just trying to somehow make it sound dumbed down and lesser.

It's almost like Fascism and Communism are two completely different things, and only one group's understanding of the ideology that it opposes is actually correct here. Hint: it's not the Freikorps.

Yeah, Antifa thinks Trump is a fascist

[Ifreann]

This originates with the freikorps? They developed the philosophy in some key way? They penned some important books or essays?

No. They put it into action though, by fighting.

Political violence, eh? I've been told that's terrorism.

[Nakena]

Lets be real Iffy, outside of occasional actual debate in LWDT and RWDT nobody is here for that. Pretty much everything on NSG turns into a circlejerk in one direction or the other.

I'm sure there are discord servers for that, you could spare us all your non-contributions.

Und doch we post here.

Lets be real Iffy, outside of occasional actual debate in LWDT and RWDT nobody is here for that. Pretty much everything on NSG turns into a circlejerk in one direction or the other.

The more you say that, the more it will be true.

Are you insuinating we should adopt the TNCR way and change it to "Und dick?"

It's almost like Fascism and Communism are two completely different things, and only one group's understanding of the ideology that it opposes is actually correct here. Hint: it's not the Freikorps.

Yeah, Antifa thinks Trump is a fascist

No shit. I knew an antifa dude who literally believed the Proud Boys and Kyle Chapman are literally Trumps brownshirts.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Lets be real Iffy, outside of occasional actual debate in LWDT and RWDT nobody is here for that. Pretty much everything on NSG turns into a circlejerk in one direction or the other.

I'm sure there are discord servers for that, you could spare us all your non-contributions.

The same could be said to literally every consistent user of General lol. Nothing of value is ever contributed in the Abortion thread, the MAGAthread, the gun threads or any other topic we've all beat to death for years. Everyone is deadset in their ways and minds are never changed no matter what sort of debate is had or facts thrown around.

[Torrocca]

It's almost like Fascism and Communism are two completely different things, and only one group's understanding of the ideology that it opposes is actually correct here. Hint: it's not the Freikorps.



Nooopeeeee. Not playing this game of yours.

So...it is okay to oppose fascism (which I obviously am not disagreeing with)

Yes.

but it is not okay to oppose communism

... I mean, do you think I'm gonna say no to that as a Communist?

and anyone that does is just ignorant and objectively wrong?

Never said that, but the members of the Freikorps were objectively ignorant and wrong on what Communism is, which is evident by the damning fact that they pretty exclusively fought the USSR but called themselves "anti-Communists".

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Are you insuinating we should adopt the TNCR way and change it to "Und dick?"

No. No, I'm not.

[Nakena]

Are you insuinating we should adopt the TNCR way and change it to "Und dick?"

No. No, I'm not.

Yeah don't bring me on ideas here.

Never said that, but the members of the Freikorps were objectively ignorant and wrong on what Communism is, which is evident by the damning fact that they pretty exclusively fought the USSR but called themselves "anti-Communists".

Hence we're the Anti-bolshevik Brigade. Not the Anti-Communist Brigade. :^)

[Aureumterra]

Yeah, Antifa thinks Trump is a fascist

No shit. I knew an antifa dude who literally believed the Proud Boys and Kyle Chapman are literally Trumps brownshirts.

Antifa logic

[Ifreann]

I'm sure there are discord servers for that, you could spare us all your non-contributions.

The same could be said to literally every consistent user of General lol. Nothing of value is ever contributed in the Abortion thread, the MAGAthread, the gun threads or any other topic we've all beat to death for years. Everyone is deadset in their ways and minds are never changed no matter what sort of debate is had or facts thrown around.

Sure, it's the people who are having debates who are wrong.

[The New California Republic]

Are you insuinating we should adopt the TNCR way and change it to "Und dick?"

No. No, I'm not.

On that note, I think the OP needs to be updated with some of the newer flags that people have made.

[Highever]

So...it is okay to oppose fascism (which I obviously am not disagreeing with)

Yes.

but it is not okay to oppose communism

... I mean, do you think I'm gonna say no to that as a Communist?

and anyone that does is just ignorant and objectively wrong?

Never said that, but the members of the Freikorps were objectively ignorant and wrong on what Communism is, which is evident by the damning fact that they pretty exclusively fought the USSR but called themselves "anti-Communists".

I mean then you should understand why people who are not communists may have different thoughts on the ideology. The historical friekorps also fought against communists and attempted coups and such in Germany as well. But I am not understanding the logic here, they are ignorant because they called the USSR communist even though the USSR called itself as such too?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

No. They put it into action though, by fighting.

Political violence, eh? I've been told that's terrorism.

Depends on where and when I've also been told. What happened was more of an actual war though, where you have both sides fighting with the force of arms.

[Thermodolia]

Titoism wasn't half bad in comparison to other schools of thoughts. It's a shame it was built up in such an inherently unstable nation, I think it could have lasted a lot longer if it was anywhere else.

I don’t think Titoism is something that could be replicated somewhere else. The reason Tito was able to rule and implement his ideology was due to his charisma and his hero-status that he acquired from his time as a Partisan leader. It was an ideology that was quite specific to the people of Yugoslavia and was heavily dependent on Tito as an individual.

I mean, while my home country was definitely better off under Yugoslavia I certainly don’t regret its downfall either. It’s not a system to replicate.

I, obviously, beg to differ

[Torrocca]

No. No, I'm not.

Yeah don't bring me on ideas here.

Never said that, but the members of the Freikorps were objectively ignorant and wrong on what Communism is, which is evident by the damning fact that they pretty exclusively fought the USSR but called themselves "anti-Communists".

Hence we're the Anti-bolshevik Brigade. Not the Anti-Communist Brigade. :^)

A. It doesn't matter if they're joking about fascist ideologies, they're still trying to normalize fascist ideologies.

It's an attempt to normalize anti-communist thought more than anything else tbh. Hence why a wide range of people with sometimes very differing ideologies are using it.

In short, join the Anti-Bolshevik Brigade today. We have baked goods.

Honestly this whole damn thing is more than likely just some Fascists setting up a smoke-screen and getting a bunch of (generally) right-wing bandwagoners to join them, primarily on the presumption that left-wingers will cry "Fascism!" at them, which they can then easily say that it isn't because the Freikorps technically weren't Fascist and also because not everyone using the Freikorps symbols are actually Fascists, so they can then mock left-wingers while continuing to normalize Fascism under the pretext that it actually isn't Fascism.

Literally, it's a tale as old as time and nothing new, particularly so in the case of this site.

We’re not normalizing fascism per se. just anti communist resistance.

Anti-Bolsheviks conflating Bolshevism with Communism? It's more likely than you think.

[Aureumterra]

Still waiting for Blaat to do “Und Dutch”

[Torrocca]

Yes.



... I mean, do you think I'm gonna say no to that as a Communist?



Never said that, but the members of the Freikorps were objectively ignorant and wrong on what Communism is, which is evident by the damning fact that they pretty exclusively fought the USSR but called themselves "anti-Communists".

I mean then you should understand why people who are not communists may have different thoughts on the ideology.

I certainly understand why it's objectively wrong to claim to be opposed to something without having an understanding of what that something is.

The historical friekorps also fought against communists and attempted coups and such in Germany as well. But I am not understanding the logic here, they are ignorant because they called the USSR communist even though the USSR called itself as such too?

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics didn't call itself Communist. There's even a famous quote from Khrushchev proclaiming the arrival of Communism in twenty years.

[Nakena]

Anti-Bolsheviks conflating Bolshevism with Communism? It's more likely than you think.

Lets face the music Torra, and thats that by definition Bolshevism is totalitarian in ideology and practice. Theres no free areas of individual independence and freedom left. Meanwhile that is not the case with Freikorps.

So which one do you rather would choose if being confronted with those options, like the Baltics were, in 1919?