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[Washington Resistance Army]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-communism

This originates with the freikorps? They developed the philosophy in some key way? They penned some important books or essays?

It didn't originate with the Freikorps, the Whites in Russia have that distinction, but I feel both did develop the philosophy in key ways. It just so happens you and I approach the topic of ideological opposition from different angles and find different things important. Whilst written works are nice and good I've always held to the opinion that people actually willing to go out and oppose and prevent their opposition from becoming powerful are much more important. In fact that's my biggest gripe with Antifa in the United States, they do nothing to actually combat fascism and are just totally inept.

Speaking of the Whites, we might have to use some of Kornilov's boys as inspiration for a future flag

[Loben The 2nd]

This originates with the freikorps? They developed the philosophy in some key way? They penned some important books or essays?

Pffft, who needs to write down and imagine actual philosophy and theory when actions speak louder than words? We all know the Freikorps provided the bigliest example of anti-Communist philosophy when then mercilessly gunned down some 3,625 or so civilians in the Baltics under the pretense of anti-Communism in an attempted ethnic cleansing.

Tbh 3,000 dead civvies doesn’t sound much like an ethnic cleansing.

AFAIK it could’ve been a crack down on sympathizers.

[Torrocca]

This originates with the freikorps? They developed the philosophy in some key way? They penned some important books or essays?

It didn't originate with the Freikorps, the Whites in Russia have that distinction, but I feel both did develop the philosophy in key ways. It just so happens you and I approach the topic of ideological opposition from different angles and find different things important. Whilst written works are nice and good I've always held to the opinion that people actually willing to go out and oppose and prevent their opposition from becoming powerful are much more important. In fact that's my biggest gripe with Antifa in the United States, they do nothing to actually combat fascism and are just totally inept.

Speaking of the Whites, we might have to use some of Kornilov's boys as inspiration for a future flag

If AntiFA isn't doing anything to combat Fascism by... going out into the streets to combat Fascism at its rallies and gatherings, then how the hell did the Freikorps do anything to combat "Communism"?

[Loben The 2nd]

It didn't originate with the Freikorps, the Whites in Russia have that distinction, but I feel both did develop the philosophy in key ways. It just so happens you and I approach the topic of ideological opposition from different angles and find different things important. Whilst written works are nice and good I've always held to the opinion that people actually willing to go out and oppose and prevent their opposition from becoming powerful are much more important. In fact that's my biggest gripe with Antifa in the United States, they do nothing to actually combat fascism and are just totally inept.

Speaking of the Whites, we might have to use some of Kornilov's boys as inspiration for a future flag

If AntiFA isn't doing anything to combat Fascism by... going out into the streets to combat Fascism at its rallies and gatherings, then how the hell did the Freikorps do anything to combat "Communism"?

Putting down uprisings and disposing of Rosa Luxembourg?

[Torrocca]

Pffft, who needs to write down and imagine actual philosophy and theory when actions speak louder than words? We all know the Freikorps provided the bigliest example of anti-Communist philosophy when then mercilessly gunned down some 3,625 or so civilians in the Baltics under the pretense of anti-Communism in an attempted ethnic cleansing.

Tbh 3,000 dead civvies doesn’t sound much like an ethnic cleansing.

AFAIK it could’ve been a crack down on sympathizers.

News flash: you don't have to actually succeed at ethnic cleansing to attempt an ethnic cleansing. But I'm sure those dead civilians will be pleased to hear that the massacres committed by the Freikorps were actually just "crackdowns" on "sympathizers".

[Ifreann]

This originates with the freikorps? They developed the philosophy in some key way? They penned some important books or essays?

It didn't originate with the Freikorps, the Whites in Russia have that distinction, but I feel both did develop the philosophy in key ways. It just so happens you and I approach the topic of ideological opposition from different angles and find different things important. Whilst written works are nice and good I've always held to the opinion that people actually willing to go out and oppose and prevent their opposition from becoming powerful are much more important. In fact that's my biggest gripe with Antifa in the United States, they do nothing to actually combat fascism and are just totally inept.

That you value praxis more than theory is...a thing, I guess, but it doesn't really do anything to explain just what the freikorps thought/freikorps philosophy/freikorps ideology that you are trying to promote actually is.

[The New California Republic]

Dogmeat should make their motto "Und Dog".

Or change their flag too.

[Loben The 2nd]

Tbh 3,000 dead civvies doesn’t sound much like an ethnic cleansing.

AFAIK it could’ve been a crack down on sympathizers.

News flash: you don't have to actually succeed at ethnic cleansing to attempt an ethnic cleansing. But I'm sure those dead civilians will be pleased to hear that the massacres committed by the Freikorps were actually just "crackdowns" on "sympathizers".

Let’s beat around the proverbial grave and accuse the reds of anything different.

[Torrocca]

If AntiFA isn't doing anything to combat Fascism by... going out into the streets to combat Fascism at its rallies and gatherings, then how the hell did the Freikorps do anything to combat "Communism"?

Putting down uprisings and disposing of Rosa Luxembourg?

And AntiFA's done its fair share of putting down rallies and gatherings of Fascists and driving the leaders of various far-right movements into hiding, all with precisely zero murder to boot. If anything, they're succeeding way better than the Freikorps ever did.

[Thermodolia]

That doesn't make it magically any better. You do understand that, correct?

Daily reminder it was the Bolsheviks who happily destroyed the anarchist nations in the russian civil war.

And lets not get started about the Catalonia Republic and how the stalinists destroyed it.

And good things too. Anarchism is an extremely stupid ideology

[Washington Resistance Army]

It didn't originate with the Freikorps, the Whites in Russia have that distinction, but I feel both did develop the philosophy in key ways. It just so happens you and I approach the topic of ideological opposition from different angles and find different things important. Whilst written works are nice and good I've always held to the opinion that people actually willing to go out and oppose and prevent their opposition from becoming powerful are much more important. In fact that's my biggest gripe with Antifa in the United States, they do nothing to actually combat fascism and are just totally inept.

Speaking of the Whites, we might have to use some of Kornilov's boys as inspiration for a future flag

If AntiFA isn't doing anything to combat Fascism by... going out into the streets to combat Fascism at its rallies and gatherings, then how the hell did the Freikorps do anything to combat "Communism"?

The Freikorps put down actual rebellions, travelled to eastern Europe and fought the Soviet Union etc etc. By comparison our modern Antifa groups do little more than harass people at street rallies and then go home. Ffs the biggest Nazi group in our nation openly displays ways online to get in contact with and find them irl and yet to the fullest extent of my knowledge not a single anti-fascist has ever gone to combat that when they aren't expecting it. I'd have a lot more respect for Antifa if they had actual fight in them.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Daily reminder it was the Bolsheviks who happily destroyed the anarchist nations in the russian civil war.

And lets not get started about the Catalonia Republic and how the stalinists destroyed it.

And good things too. Anarchism is an extremely stupid ideology

I think Anarchism was the lesser of two evils in those scenarios and am concerned by anyone who would disagree.

[Paddy O Fernature]

A. It doesn't matter if they're joking about fascist ideologies, they're still trying to normalize fascist ideologies.

It's an attempt to normalize anti-communist thought more than anything else tbh. Hence why a wide range of people with sometimes very differing ideologies are using it.

In short, join the Anti-Bolshevik Brigade today. We have baked goods.

I like baked goods.....

[Torrocca]

If AntiFA isn't doing anything to combat Fascism by... going out into the streets to combat Fascism at its rallies and gatherings, then how the hell did the Freikorps do anything to combat "Communism"?

The Freikorps put down actual rebellions, travelled to eastern Europe and fought the Soviet Union etc etc. By comparison our modern Antifa groups do little more than harass people at street rallies and then go home. Ffs the biggest Nazi group in our nation openly displays ways online to get in contact with and find them irl and yet to the fullest extent of my knowledge not a single anti-fascist has ever gone to combat that when they aren't expecting it. I'd have a lot more respect for Antifa if they had actual fight in them.

AntiFA's got plenty of fight in it. The problem's that they have the burden of being prevented from going too hard with it, lest the media creates some fucked-up circus against them, meanwhile right-wing extremists can basically commit mass-murder in the name of their ideology and nothing happens in respect to condemning the beliefs that caused such a thing to happen. The court of public opinion - especially one swayed by media influence - matters a fucking lot, shockingly enough.

[Thermodolia]

And good things too. Anarchism is an extremely stupid ideology

I think Anarchism was the lesser of two evils in those scenarios and am concerned by anyone who would disagree.

Considering my personal political leanings no. Anarchism is far worse. The ideology just boils down to hoodlumism, vandalism, and raiding bullshit

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

The Freikorps put down actual rebellions, travelled to eastern Europe and fought the Soviet Union etc etc. By comparison our modern Antifa groups do little more than harass people at street rallies and then go home. Ffs the biggest Nazi group in our nation openly displays ways online to get in contact with and find them irl and yet to the fullest extent of my knowledge not a single anti-fascist has ever gone to combat that when they aren't expecting it. I'd have a lot more respect for Antifa if they had actual fight in them.

AntiFA's got plenty of fight in it. The problem's that they have the burden of being prevented from going too hard with it, lest the media creates some fucked-up circus against them, meanwhile right-wing extremists can basically commit mass-murder in the name of their ideology and nothing happens in respect to condemning the beliefs that caused such a thing to happen. The court of public opinion - especially one swayed by media influence - matters a fucking lot, shockingly enough.

Indeed, the media really has a hard time condemning the beliefs of far-right extremists. Just last week I saw on CNN they refused to say Nazism was bad, it was most discouraging.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Freikorps put down actual rebellions, travelled to eastern Europe and fought the Soviet Union etc etc. By comparison our modern Antifa groups do little more than harass people at street rallies and then go home. Ffs the biggest Nazi group in our nation openly displays ways online to get in contact with and find them irl and yet to the fullest extent of my knowledge not a single anti-fascist has ever gone to combat that when they aren't expecting it. I'd have a lot more respect for Antifa if they had actual fight in them.

AntiFA's got plenty of fight in it. The problem's that they have the burden of being prevented from going too hard with it, lest the media creates some fucked-up circus against them, meanwhile right-wing extremists can basically commit mass-murder in the name of their ideology and nothing happens in respect to condemning the beliefs that caused such a thing to happen. The court of public opinion - especially one swayed by media influence - matters a fucking lot, shockingly enough.

If public opinion of boomers and the twitter generation is enough to dissuade you from something I feel it's accurate to say you aren't truly committed to it tbh

[Loben The 2nd]

Putting down uprisings and disposing of Rosa Luxembourg?

And AntiFA's done its fair share of putting down rallies and gatherings of Fascists and driving the leaders of various far-right movements into hiding, all with precisely zero murder to boot. If anything, they're succeeding way better than the Freikorps ever did.

Annnnd central and Eastern Europe weren’t devoured by the communists in the 20s. Mission fucking accomplished I say.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I think Anarchism was the lesser of two evils in those scenarios and am concerned by anyone who would disagree.

Considering my personal political leanings no. Anarchism is far worse. The ideology just boils down to hoodlumism, vandalism, and raiding bullshit

As opposed to Marxism-Leninism which is that plus skull crushing totalitarianism.

[The New California Republic]

And AntiFA's done its fair share of putting down rallies and gatherings of Fascists and driving the leaders of various far-right movements into hiding, all with precisely zero murder to boot. If anything, they're succeeding way better than the Freikorps ever did.

Annnnd central and Eastern Europe weren’t devoured by the communists in the 20s. Mission fucking accomplished I say.

It stopped the clock for 20 years, but that's about it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Annnnd central and Eastern Europe weren’t devoured by the communists in the 20s. Mission fucking accomplished I say.

It stopped the clock for 20 years, but that's about it.

All because that Hitler guy had to ruin everything and decided hurr durr kill the Slavs instead of turning everyone in eastern Europe against the Soviets. Right proper jackass he was.

[Loben The 2nd]

Annnnd central and Eastern Europe weren’t devoured by the communists in the 20s. Mission fucking accomplished I say.

It stopped the clock for 20 years, but that's about it.

20 years that France and Britain didn’t have a knife to their throats. 20 years that the Americans didn’t have a continent full of communists baying for their blood. 20 more years that the Soviet’s spent on internal catastrophes.

We can thank them for preventing a global conflict.

[Thermodolia]

Considering my personal political leanings no. Anarchism is far worse. The ideology just boils down to hoodlumism, vandalism, and raiding bullshit

As opposed to Marxism-Leninism which is that plus skull crushing totalitarianism.

You do realize that I’m an authoritarian Socialist right? I’m pretty much a Titoist.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

As opposed to Marxism-Leninism which is that plus skull crushing totalitarianism.

You do realize that I’m an authoritarian Socialist right? I’m pretty much a Titoist.

And why are you an authoritarian socialist?

[Aureumterra]

Loving this meme, and anti-bolshevism in general