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Marquisal wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Will you answer these questions please Mar?

Ok Bin, I will answer.
I have not lacked you my respect, I have told my point of view without including insults or innapropiate califications.
And again, if you do not find ok my point of view, we can talk. But if you keep calificating it as rubish, ignorant and all those such things, I will keep my respect, because I am a good Christian, but I will still ask you the same respect in your words.

Why are you addressing him as Bin?

Highever wrote:

Marquisal wrote:
They have that place, it's called Middle East, and Jerusalem that city they raided long ago. They have it.

Oh but Christians invading places their religion doesn't belong is totally okay and different. For fucks sake.

When has that happened? We do not spread our word with violence, we evangelizate as the Holy Apostols did.
Other thing are the crusades, they were wars, wars of liberation of Christian Homeland thatw as taken away using violent military force against monks and civilians.

Marquisal wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Will you answer these questions please Mar?

Ok Bin, I will answer.
I have not lacked you my respect, I have told my point of view without including insults or innapropiate califications.
And again, if you do not find ok my point of view, we can talk. But if you keep calificating it as rubish, ignorant and all those such things, I will keep my respect, because I am a good Christian, but I will still ask you the same respect in your words.

So because I called your post "rubbish", you're protesting it. Why is that not okay but saying "vandalism is an expression of the speech of the Irish people" is? I will not take back my comments until you address this. Until then, our conversation will be fruitless.

I will accept your comment once you accept the above condition.

Marquisal wrote:

Highever wrote:Oh but Christians invading places their religion doesn't belong is totally okay and different. For fucks sake.

When has that happened? We do not spread our word with violence, we evangelizate as the Holy Apostols did.
Other thing are the crusades, they were wars, wars of liberation of Christian Homeland thatw as taken away using violent military force against monks and civilians.

So it's only ok if Christians do it, got it.

So much BS.

Christian Islamophobe here.

All of you saying "Deus Vult" need to kindly go sit in a corner and think about some of the stuff Jesus taught us. Hatred toward anyone is not okay; and this right here is hatred. There's nothing wrong with being Islamophobic so long as you keep it toward the religion and not the people who practice it, otherwise you're being a bad Christian and you can kindly leave my religion since you seem incapable of understanding some of Christ's most important messages. Opposing Islam is one thing, but vandalizing mosques is borderline terrorism. Do not support it - that makes you a Fundie, and no different from the Fundies in Islam. Making war with moderates is not how you beat Fundies, it only gives them more ammunition and is frankly misguided altogether. Find better ways to vent your frustration.

Marquisal wrote:

Highever wrote:Oh but Christians invading places their religion doesn't belong is totally okay and different. For fucks sake.

When has that happened? We do not spread our word with violence, we evangelizate as the Holy Apostols did.
Other thing are the crusades, they were wars, wars of liberation of Christian Homeland thatw as taken away using violent military force against monks and civilians.

Another strawman

Lord's resistance army and Tim McVeigh bombing Oklahoma City in the name of christianity.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Marquisal wrote:
Loving your country is not a sign of ignorance, but instead of respect to your ancestors.

You're no socialist. You're a Alt-Right Authoritarian.

I am not Alt-Right! I am not racist! Everybody borns equally without any sin. How dare you compare me with racists for talking about religion!
That is an important lack of respect, and difamation.
Please, talk with me, do not argue with useless and meaningless arguments like "You're a Alt-Right"

Marquisal wrote:

Highever wrote:Oh but Christians invading places their religion doesn't belong is totally okay and different. For fucks sake.

When has that happened? We do not spread our word with violence, we evangelizate as the Holy Apostols did.
Other thing are the crusades, they were wars, wars of liberation of Christian Homeland thatw as taken away using violent military force against monks and civilians.

I guess you don't count the whole Christianization of North and South America then? And Africa? Where natives were brutalized and oftentimes forced to convert under extreme duress and oppression?

Your attempts to somehow portray Christianity as something that has done and can do no wrong and justify them doing the same things you are trying to condemn Islam for is...really falling flat.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Christian Islamophobe here.

All of you saying "Deus Vult" need to kindly go sit in a corner and think about some of the stuff Jesus taught us. Hatred toward anyone is not okay; and this right here is hatred. There's nothing wrong with being Islamophobic so long as you keep it toward the religion and not the people who practice it, otherwise you're being a bad Christian and you can kindly leave my religion since you seem incapable of understanding some of Christ's most important messages. Opposing Islam is one thing, but vandalizing mosques is borderline terrorism. Do not support it - that makes you a Fundie, and no different from the Fundies in Islam. Making war with moderates is not how you beat Fundies, it only gives them more ammunition and is frankly misguided altogether. Find better ways to vent your frustration.

Wow, Trollzyn for once, we agree. I agree with everything you said.

Jolthig wrote:

Marquisal wrote:
Ok Bin, I will answer.
I have not lacked you my respect, I have told my point of view without including insults or innapropiate califications.
And again, if you do not find ok my point of view, we can talk. But if you keep calificating it as rubish, ignorant and all those such things, I will keep my respect, because I am a good Christian, but I will still ask you the same respect in your words.

So because I called your post "rubbish", you're protesting it. Why is that not okay but saying "vandalism is an expression of the speech of the Irish people" is? I will not take back my comments until you address this. Until then, our conversation will be fruitless.

I will accept your comment once you accept the above condition.

There is my opinion, which lacks of lack of respect.

Marquisal wrote:

Eternal Lotharia wrote:You're no socialist. You're a Alt-Right Authoritarian.

I am not Alt-Right! I am not racist! Everybody borns equally without any sin. How dare you compare me with racists for talking about religion!
That is an important lack of respect, and difamation.
Please, talk with me, do not argue with useless and meaningless arguments like "You're a Alt-Right"

But why is saying "the people of ireland are oppressed by muslims and bad governments" a valid argument?

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:

Marquisal wrote:
When has that happened? We do not spread our word with violence, we evangelizate as the Holy Apostols did.
Other thing are the crusades, they were wars, wars of liberation of Christian Homeland thatw as taken away using violent military force against monks and civilians.

So it's only ok if Christians do it, got it.

So much BS.

Yeah that is basically what I am getting from these nonsense arguments. Invading areas where you are not the dominant religion is okay if you are Christian, but if you are anyone else you deserve to be attacked by mobs as "invaders" and "outsiders"

Marquisal wrote:

Eternal Lotharia wrote:You're no socialist. You're a Alt-Right Authoritarian.

I am not Alt-Right! I am not racist! Everybody borns equally without any sin. How dare you compare me with racists for talking about religion!
That is an important lack of respect, and difamation.
Please, talk with me, do not argue with useless and meaningless arguments like "You're a Alt-Right"

>says he isn't racist
>tells muslims to go back to the middle east where they came from

Marquisal wrote:

Jolthig wrote:So because I called your post "rubbish", you're protesting it. Why is that not okay but saying "vandalism is an expression of the speech of the Irish people" is? I will not take back my comments until you address this. Until then, our conversation will be fruitless.

I will accept your comment once you accept the above condition.

There is my opinion, which lacks of lack of respect.

That makes no sense, but okay. I'll accept this comment then.

I do pray that whoever you are, whether you're sincere or not, that allah guides you to remove the lack of empathy from your heart for those Ahmadis who are oppressed in the Middle East.

Highever wrote:

Marquisal wrote:
When has that happened? We do not spread our word with violence, we evangelizate as the Holy Apostols did.
Other thing are the crusades, they were wars, wars of liberation of Christian Homeland thatw as taken away using violent military force against monks and civilians.

I guess you don't count the whole Christianization of North and South America then? And Africa? Where natives were brutalized and oftentimes forced to convert under extreme duress and oppression?

Your attempts to somehow portray Christianity as something that has done and can do no wrong and justify them doing the same things you are trying to condemn Islam for is...really falling flat.

Those barbarics were blind, they thougt they were Christians but they did not follow the commandments of God.

Marquisal wrote:

Highever wrote:I guess you don't count the whole Christianization of North and South America then? And Africa? Where natives were brutalized and oftentimes forced to convert under extreme duress and oppression?

Your attempts to somehow portray Christianity as something that has done and can do no wrong and justify them doing the same things you are trying to condemn Islam for is...really falling flat.

Those barbarics were blind, they thougt they were Christians but they did not follow the commandments of God.

Sure, now will you follow the commandments of your God then?

"Love the neighbor as thyself"

"Love your enemies"

"Turn the other cheek"?

Man,i'm not even in this discussion and i'm already agonized by people not answering to the main points of the arguments.

Necroghastia wrote:

Marquisal wrote:
I am not Alt-Right! I am not racist! Everybody borns equally without any sin. How dare you compare me with racists for talking about religion!
That is an important lack of respect, and difamation.
Please, talk with me, do not argue with useless and meaningless arguments like "You're a Alt-Right"

>says he isn't racist
>tells muslims to go back to the middle east where they came from

I have never told a muslim to go to Middle East, I said it was the home of Islam.
And, most importantly:
Racism is about races, not religions.

Gemma O'D's incitement sees results.

Marquisal wrote:

Highever wrote:I guess you don't count the whole Christianization of North and South America then? And Africa? Where natives were brutalized and oftentimes forced to convert under extreme duress and oppression?

Your attempts to somehow portray Christianity as something that has done and can do no wrong and justify them doing the same things you are trying to condemn Islam for is...really falling flat.

Those barbarics were blind, they thougt they were Christians but they did not follow the commandments of God.

How convenient. Whenever Christians do something bad they "aren't really Christians" but whenever Muslims do something bad it is to be applied to the entire religion as a whole and they are to be attacked and terrorized as collective punishment.

Utter bullshit.

Marquisal wrote:

Necroghastia wrote:
>says he isn't racist
>tells muslims to go back to the middle east where they came from

I have never told a muslim to go to Middle East, I said it was the home of Islam.
And, most importantly:
Racism is about races, not religions.

Irrelevant. Your posts still are bigoted.

Jolthig wrote:

Marquisal wrote:
Those barbarics were blind, they thougt they were Christians but they did not follow the commandments of God.

Sure, now will you follow the commandments of your God then?

"Love the neighbor as thyself"

"Love your enemies"

"Turn the other cheek"?

I follow the commandments of Christ, but I was refering to The Ten Commandments.
And I have never said that I hated muslims, never. I just want to explain that as they are foreigners in that land, they should ask the people before building their things if they do not want an angry response, that is called logic, and respect for your neighbor.

Marquisal wrote:

Necroghastia wrote:
>says he isn't racist
>tells muslims to go back to the middle east where they came from

I have never told a muslim to go to Middle East, I said it was the home of Islam.
And, most importantly:
Racism is about races, not religions.

Then what, pray tell, was your point in this post?

Marquisal wrote:

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Why shouldn't those Muslim Residents get the right to have freedom of worship and a place to do it?

Freedom of religion matters more than some close-minded bigots.

They have that place, it's called Middle East, and Jerusalem that city they raided long ago. They have it.

Highever wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
So it's only ok if Christians do it, got it.

So much BS.

Yeah that is basically what I am getting from these nonsense arguments. Invading areas where you are not the dominant religion is okay if you are Christian, but if you are anyone else you deserve to be attacked by mobs as "invaders" and "outsiders"

What gets me is that no matter the history involved, this act of vandalization was completely uncalled for. That he seems to not understand that and piles it all up with religion and misconceptions, and an utter lack of understanding as to why people are angry and actually is ok with the act of vadalizing is just... I want to say I am surprised, but I am not. It's just someone contributing, whether they want to or not, to the shitshow.

Not to mention and I want to highlight it, that Jolthig has been rather benevolent, while even being called ''Bin'' but this poster in another post. I would have been so done already myself.

Jolthig wrote:

Marquisal wrote:
I have never told a muslim to go to Middle East, I said it was the home of Islam.
And, most importantly:
Racism is about races, not religions.

Irrelevant. Your posts still are bigoted.

Why? Where? How?