What if the US became a rogue state?

[Tokora]

I just want to make it clear that this is purely a "what if" question and (hopefully) has no bearing whatsoever on reality. Meaning I'm intentionally ignoring any and all reasons an american dictatorship would be prevented.

The scenario I have in mind is that (once again ignoring reality in regards to american politics) in the near future an anti-immigration president commits a self-coup postponing all elections indefinitely and jails all opponents dismantling the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 15th amendments as well as anything thing else found bothersome (I repeat, not based on reality and please roll with this). They leave NATO, sign a nonaggression pact with Russia, and invade Mexico. Nuclear weaponry is used to completely cripple Mexico's infrastructure despite being completely unnecessary. Last but not least, the US start a program of ethnic cleansing against everyone of hispanic descent and executes all critics of the new regime.

Let's assume that the rest of the world does behave realistically and is probably wondering what the hell it was just smoking. How would Europe react to the US abandoning them and completely losing it's mind and do they have any hope of dealing with a rogue superpower?

My thoughts are the that the odds of Europe coming out of this on top in this scenario are, unlikely.

Reminder, the scenario stated is not meant to have any basis whatsoever to the reality of US politics and is solely meant to ask "what if?". If responses can focus on taking the (most likely) completely nonsensical scenario seriously it would be appreciated.

[Nakena]

For a lot of people the US are already the rogue state in one way or another.

That may be seem weird from generic US or Euro perspective, but in other places that view is quite the norm.

Let's assume that the rest of the world does behave realistically and is probably wondering what the hell it was just smoking. How would Europe react to the US abandoning them and completely losing it's mind and do they have any hope of dealing with a rogue superpower?

My thoughts are the that the odds of Europe coming out of this on top in this scenario are, unlikely.

Reminder, the scenario stated is not meant to have any basis whatsoever to the reality of US politics and is solely meant to ask "what if?". If responses can focus on taking the (most likely) completely nonsensical scenario seriously it would be appreciated.

This thought isnt absurd or detached from reality as it seems. After Trumps elections there were actual, and very serious fears the USA would turn into a Fascist State.

[Tokora]

For a lot of people the US are already the rogue state in one way or another.

That may be seem weird from generic US or Euro perspective, but in other places that view is quite the norm.

I'm familiar with that point of view, but I mean if it completely goes the way of 1939 Germany.

This thought isnt absurd or detached from reality as it seems. After Trumps elections there were actual, and very serious fears the USA would turn into a Fascist State.

I'm really hopeful that the nonsensically part in regards to the nuking of Mexico remains so.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Well, technically...

Let's assume that the rest of the world does behave realistically and is probably wondering what the hell it was just smoking. How would Europe react to the US abandoning them and completely losing it's mind and do they have any hope of dealing with a rogue superpower?

My thoughts are the that the odds of Europe coming out of this on top in this scenario are, unlikely.

Reminder, the scenario stated is not meant to have any basis whatsoever to the reality of US politics and is solely meant to ask "what if?". If responses can focus on taking the (most likely) completely nonsensical scenario seriously it would be appreciated.

This thought isnt absurd or detached from reality as it seems. After Trumps elections there were actual, and very serious fears the USA would turn into a Fascist State.

I laughed at those people then; and I still laugh at them now.

[Shofercia]

I just want to make it clear that this is purely a "what if" question and (hopefully) has no bearing whatsoever on reality. Meaning I'm intentionally ignoring any and all reasons an american dictatorship would be prevented.

The scenario I have in mind is that (once again ignoring reality in regards to american politics) in the near future an anti-immigration president commits a self-coup postponing all elections indefinitely and jails all opponents dismantling the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 15th amendments as well as anything thing else found bothersome (I repeat, not based on reality and please roll with this). They leave NATO, sign a nonaggression pact with Russia, and invade Mexico. Nuclear weaponry is used to completely cripple Mexico's infrastructure despite being completely unnecessary. Last but not least, the US start a program of ethnic cleansing against everyone of hispanic descent and execute all critics.

Let's assume that the rest of the world does behave realistically and is probably wondering what the hell it was just smoking. How would Europe react to the US abandoning them and completely losing it's mind and do they have any hope of dealing with a rogue superpower?

My thoughts are the that the odds of Europe coming out of this on top in this scenario are, unlikely.

Reminder, the scenario stated is not meant to have any basis whatsoever to the reality of US politics and is solely meant to ask "what if?". If responses can focus on taking the (most likely) completely nonsensical scenario seriously it would be appreciated.

If the US uses nukes, the US might get fucked over. If the US doesn't, the rest of the World will be like "meh" - because what you've just described is still better than what's going on in Yemen, so I guess it'd depend on the nuclear fallout, the amount of nukes US still has, the ability of the rest of the World to go after those nukes, etc. But I'm not seeing the US nuking Mexico, since carpet bombing will achieve the same objective, without grave international repercussions.

[Nakena]

For a lot of people the US are already the rogue state in one way or another.

That may be seem weird from generic US or Euro perspective, but in other places that view is quite the norm.

I'm familiar with that point of view, but I mean if it completely goes the way of 1939 Germany.

Woops. Already answered that. But here we go. There were very serious fears and concerns in Europe that after Trump election (and in the first weeks of his presidency) the USA would turn into a putinist regime or completly embrace fascism. Like 1933. That seemed very real and plausible to some people then.

And the US being the leader of course they would have been pressured to adopt fascism too then...

Well, technically...

This thought isnt absurd or detached from reality as it seems. After Trumps elections there were actual, and very serious fears the USA would turn into a Fascist State.

I laughed at those people then; and I still laugh at them now.

They were getting scared. I enjoyed it.

[DACOROMANIA]

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NATO (remaining members) may not intervene politically to stop USA while Russia, Middle East and Africa are big concerns to safety.
USA may become more militaristic and cruel. China however I don't know how may react... but as long as USA can invade Mexico, I assume that China may consider invading ASEAN states.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I laughed at those people then; and I still laugh at them now.

They were getting scared. I enjoyed it.

Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if people actually paid attention in history class.

I'd like to think we'd have flying cars by now, probably.

[The Great-German Empire]

If any kind of rogue-state-creating dictator took over the US, the Europeans would become very preoccupied about rearmament and possible unification to increase their chances of fighting back somebody like Russia or the US itself. The Asian democratic powers would probably try to strike a deal with them because they still need protection from China. China itself would be relieved as there would now be less powers condemning their unethical practices inside the country. Canada would fold and be absorbed instantly.

But most of all, it's not going to happen. If the US were to lose its democracy, it'd be to a clique of elitist assholes who will take care to preserve their international standing and influence and not cause a scene as they de-claw and enslave us all.

[The New California Republic]

[...] dismantling the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 15th amendments as well as anything thing else found bothersome [...]

The 2nd may go too, depending on what kinds of resistance he is facing.

[Pacomia]

The UN might either stop the US or be fucked. The US still basically leads the UN- the headquarters are there, it’s the most powerful country, really it would take a big hit to the UN in America leaves. I’d like to think the rest of the world to team up to stop the US, but they honestly wouldn’t. Probably it’d turn out like WWII- the most the US will get is a strongly worded letter while Europe assumes the role of Neville Chamberlain and just lets them do stuff as long as they don’t do any more stuff. The best hope against the US will probably end up China, being the only country who both is an enemy of the US and has the balls to stand up to the US. Chances are, Canada will just be annexed, likely without much of a fight whether there’s a war or not. Countries like India will just sit on the sidelines watching, while regional powers in the Americas such as Brazil might try to seek alliances. BRICS might be in a bad state, as the US is now best buddies with Russia, which will inevitably make them drift away from the rest of BRICS. With the UN crippled, other smaller countries might follow America’s lead and start declaring war on their enemies and neighbours. It would just be every country for themselves. I would talk about how a dictatorship in the US likely wouldn’t last, but OP said all checks don’t exist.

EDIT: The rest of America’s allies would all go in different directions. Australia and New Zealand would probably be like Europe. Their allies in East Asia such as South Korea and Japan could go on their own, or try to make friends with China. In the Middle East, Saudi Arabia is a wild card. Israel is also a wild card, it might try to attack the Middle East and go it alone, or again try to make friends with the US. I wouldn’t put it past them. Iran and Pakistan might try to get closer to China, the rest of the Muslim world could either get closer to China or create their own Islamic faction. The main factions would be the US, China and its allies, Europe, maybe the Muslim world, and a few other smaller ones. Russia may or may not join America’s faction. If the EU or the rest of NATO united (especially under a strong leader), they might be able to stand up to the US.

That’s just my guess, which is subject to change. Also, it really depends on what the dictator is like. Are they imperialist? Nationalist? Trying to spread their ideology? Fascist, communist, or something else? Do they follow an extreme version of the Monroe Doctrine? Do they have their sets sight on the Pacific? Europe? Asia? Are they trying to get into space? There’s so many things that could change everything. It also depends on whether other countries follow suit and get their own dictator.

[Infected Mushroom]

The rest of the world wouldn't do anything.

They would continue to trade with the USA. The USA is too big to be economically sanctioned (they can't even sanction China).

The world order is based on Cold Hard Cash, cheap labour, and free trade. International laws only applies 99% if a stronger party is imposing it on someone weaker.

Europe will make a lot of noise but the governments will continue to trade with the USA because if they don't, then the voters will sense the economic squeeze and vote their governments out of office. Which creates a paradoxical situation where the voters "bitch" about the government not doing the moral thing but the government would rather that stayed the status quo because if they actually "did something" they would get voted out from the economic aftershock (so in a way, the voters don't really know what they truly want).

Its the same thing with China right now. There's a lot of noise in the West about sanctioning or condemning China but its not being done by the government for the same reason. There's a RISK that the politicians would be voted out for doing nothing, but there's a CERTAINTY (from the ensuring economic shock and inability to keep economic promises to key interest groups) that moving against China will cost them the next elections.

Same thing with the USA, not acting (getting limited, maybe even popular "complaints" with a slight risk of losing the next election) vs acting and losing your seat.

The entire world order is premised on trade with the USA. The USA is literally a God of the New World. If the USA becomes the devil, you still got to play ball with them.

Any kind of military invasion of the USA (attempted or otherwise) or a blockade/sanction would be a USELESS GESTURE. The USA is literally the ultimate power in the universe.

[Pacomia]

This would be a good book idea.

Actually, I think you just gave me the idea for my next mapping project.

[Pacomia]

New Idea: South America may or may not devolve into cluttered chaos.

[Totally Not OEP]

Outside of the ethnic cleansing bit, it almost sounds like I've taken over the U.S. lol.

[Duhon]

The difference between a United States fully submitting to trumpery and an Earth that gets bombarded by the asteroid belt, then swallowed by a passing black hole, along with the rest of the solar system?

The latter is more merciful. No more cruelty, no more suffering.

A world where authoritarians rule, grift, fuck, make war, and murder is a shithole that needs to be obliterated, for the mercy of all those who live and suffer in it.

[Rojava Free State]

You can't do what ifs about real life

[Tinhampton]

You can't do what ifs about real life

All of the signs point to a huge election early next November, even by POTUS45's admission

[Pacomia]

You can't do what ifs about real life

Ah, not this shit again.

[EastKekistan]

I just want to make it clear that this is purely a "what if" question and (hopefully) has no bearing whatsoever on reality. Meaning I'm intentionally ignoring any and all reasons an american dictatorship would be prevented.

The scenario I have in mind is that (once again ignoring reality in regards to american politics) in the near future an anti-immigration president commits a self-coup postponing all elections indefinitely and jails all opponents dismantling the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 15th amendments as well as anything thing else found bothersome (I repeat, not based on reality and please roll with this). They leave NATO, sign a nonaggression pact with Russia, and invade Mexico. Nuclear weaponry is used to completely cripple Mexico's infrastructure despite being completely unnecessary. Last but not least, the US start a program of ethnic cleansing against everyone of hispanic descent and execute all critics.

Let's assume that the rest of the world does behave realistically and is probably wondering what the hell it was just smoking. How would Europe react to the US abandoning them and completely losing it's mind and do they have any hope of dealing with a rogue superpower?

My thoughts are the that the odds of Europe coming out of this on top in this scenario are, unlikely.

Reminder, the scenario stated is not meant to have any basis whatsoever to the reality of US politics and is solely meant to ask "what if?". If responses can focus on taking the (most likely) completely nonsensical scenario seriously it would be appreciated.

That will make America much stronger.

However what's the purpose of nuking Mexico, seriously? It serves no purpose at all.

[Drongonia]

I'd pack my bags and move to the US of A while my passport is still valid. China would likely take its opportunity to colonise Australia and New Zealand, as well as the rest of the Pacific Islands which rely on the ADF and NZDF for protection. If the US was too busy taking Mexico and Canada over, they would likely not help, especially considering our current government's attitude towards the US. Best to get out before the Social Credit System takes over.

[Duhon]

I just want to make it clear that this is purely a "what if" question and (hopefully) has no bearing whatsoever on reality. Meaning I'm intentionally ignoring any and all reasons an american dictatorship would be prevented.

The scenario I have in mind is that (once again ignoring reality in regards to american politics) in the near future an anti-immigration president commits a self-coup postponing all elections indefinitely and jails all opponents dismantling the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 15th amendments as well as anything thing else found bothersome (I repeat, not based on reality and please roll with this). They leave NATO, sign a nonaggression pact with Russia, and invade Mexico. Nuclear weaponry is used to completely cripple Mexico's infrastructure despite being completely unnecessary. Last but not least, the US start a program of ethnic cleansing against everyone of hispanic descent and execute all critics.

Let's assume that the rest of the world does behave realistically and is probably wondering what the hell it was just smoking. How would Europe react to the US abandoning them and completely losing it's mind and do they have any hope of dealing with a rogue superpower?

My thoughts are the that the odds of Europe coming out of this on top in this scenario are, unlikely.

Reminder, the scenario stated is not meant to have any basis whatsoever to the reality of US politics and is solely meant to ask "what if?". If responses can focus on taking the (most likely) completely nonsensical scenario seriously it would be appreciated.

That will make America much stronger.

However what's the purpose of nuking Mexico, seriously? It serves no purpose at all.

What was the purpose of Nazis killing so many Jews, a great number of whom wouldn't have minded German overlordship?

[EastKekistan]

That will make America much stronger.

However what's the purpose of nuking Mexico, seriously? It serves no purpose at all.

What was the purpose of Nazis killing so many Jews, a great number of whom wouldn't have minded German overlordship?

Antisemitism is an idiotic, communist ideology, that is, envy from the incompetent towards the competent.

[Thermodolia]

For a lot of people the US are already the rogue state in one way or another.

That may be seem weird from generic US or Euro perspective, but in other places that view is quite the norm.

Let's assume that the rest of the world does behave realistically and is probably wondering what the hell it was just smoking. How would Europe react to the US abandoning them and completely losing it's mind and do they have any hope of dealing with a rogue superpower?

My thoughts are the that the odds of Europe coming out of this on top in this scenario are, unlikely.

Reminder, the scenario stated is not meant to have any basis whatsoever to the reality of US politics and is solely meant to ask "what if?". If responses can focus on taking the (most likely) completely nonsensical scenario seriously it would be appreciated.

This thought isnt absurd or detached from reality as it seems. After Trumps elections there were actual, and very serious fears the USA would turn into a Fascist State.

Those fears where utter bollocks though

[Kowani]

What was the purpose of Nazis killing so many Jews, a great number of whom wouldn't have minded German overlordship?

Antisemitism is an idiotic, communist ideology, that is, envy from the incompetent towards the competent.

Anti-Semitism predates communism by a couple thousand years.