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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:09 am

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Highever wrote:Are you under the impression that that is a requirement to constitute a hate crime?

Are you under the impression that "dumb bitch" isn't one?


It's an outrage. How could anyone talk about a woman in such a way? The appropriate thing to do when a woman is being foolish is not to call her a name but to call her husband so he can beat her, gently and Islamically :clap:

Put that feigned outrage back in the hat and try another trick.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:14 am

Highever wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Are you under the impression that "dumb bitch" isn't one?

Uh, yes. Absolutely. Because it is not in any way.

I see

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Are you under the impression that "dumb bitch" isn't one?


It's an outrage. How could anyone talk about a woman in such a way? The appropriate thing to do when a woman is being foolish is not to call her a name but to call her husband so he can beat her, gently and Islamically :clap:


Physically disciplining one's wife is allowed in Islamic jurisprudence for something like she got drunk and left the baby alone at a park. Not for just being fussy or nagging or yelling.
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:17 am

Page wrote:She actually said the Adam and Steve thing? Way too pathetic to prosecute, she's already been punished by embarrassing herself.

Well, UK hate speech laws are quite stringent, which can lead to ridiculous prosecutions. At least they are applied equally.
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Postby Highever » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:18 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Highever wrote:Uh, yes. Absolutely. Because it is not in any way.

I see

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
It's an outrage. How could anyone talk about a woman in such a way? The appropriate thing to do when a woman is being foolish is not to call her a name but to call her husband so he can beat her, gently and Islamically :clap:


Physically disciplining one's wife is allowed in Islamic jurisprudence for something like she got drunk and left the baby alone at a park. Not for just being fussy or nagging or yelling.

As someone in another thread said, it is quite disgusting to see people casually defend spousal beatings and try to portray them as a good thing.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:20 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:Physically disciplining one's wife is allowed in Islamic jurisprudence for something like she got drunk and left the baby alone at a park. Not for just being fussy or nagging or yelling.

Domestic abuse by page 5. I'd say that is some kind of record, but it really isn't.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:20 am

Highever wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:I see



Physically disciplining one's wife is allowed in Islamic jurisprudence for something like she got drunk and left the baby alone at a park. Not for just being fussy or nagging or yelling.

As someone in another thread said, it is quite disgusting to see people casually defend spousal beatings and try to portray them as a good thing.


The commonly accepted term is domestic violence.

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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:21 am

Highever wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:I see



Physically disciplining one's wife is allowed in Islamic jurisprudence for something like she got drunk and left the baby alone at a park. Not for just being fussy or nagging or yelling.

As someone in another thread said, it is quite disgusting to see people casually defend spousal beatings and try to portray them as a good thing.

Legal punishment for drunkenness in Islam is caning, so please.
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:22 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Physically disciplining one's wife is allowed in Islamic jurisprudence for something like she got drunk and left the baby alone at a park. Not for just being fussy or nagging or yelling.

Domestic abuse by page 5. I'd say that is some kind of record, but it really isn't.

For changing the goalposts and attenpted threadjacking? I don't think so.
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:22 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Highever wrote:As someone in another thread said, it is quite disgusting to see people casually defend spousal beatings and try to portray them as a good thing.

Legal punishment for drunkenness in Islam is caning, so please.

So fucking backwards.
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Postby Playing In The Water » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:22 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:Physically disciplining one's wife is allowed in Islamic jurisprudence for something like she got drunk and left the baby alone at a park. Not for just being fussy or nagging or yelling.


And presumably women are permitted by Islamic law to beat their husbands for the same affront?

This woman decrying homosexuality in the streets is, in my opinion, just getting what's coming to her. I don't care about her faith one iota. Yes, maybe being charged for just tossing out mean words is a bit much, but considering where we've just come from in regards to gay rights - literally has only even been made legal at all in many places, with discrimination still rife in more places than not - I personally think it's worthwhile to retain anti-gay sentiment as a crime in its own right. Wean people out of the habit of being anti-gay by threat of serious punishment, and then we can all go back to cursing at each other for more normal, acceptable reasons, such as folks being bitches, bastards, dumb, ugly, etc.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:23 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Domestic abuse by page 5. I'd say that is some kind of record, but it really isn't.

For changing the goalposts and attenpted threadjacking? I don't think so.

What changing of goalposts and threadjacking? What the actual fuck are you talking about? Fucking hilarious. :lol2:
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:24 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Legal punishment for drunkenness in Islam is caning, so please.

So fucking backwards.

Alcohol is the most dangerous hard drug in America, Islam deals with it as a serious harm because it is
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:25 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Legal punishment for drunkenness in Islam is caning, so please.

So fucking backwards.

Indeed.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:25 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:So fucking backwards.

Alcohol is the most dangerous hard drug in America, Islam deals with it as a serious harm because it is

You dont fucking cane people for being drunk. It is fucking backwards.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:25 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:For changing the goalposts and attenpted threadjacking? I don't think so.

What changing of goalposts and threadjacking? What the actual fuck are you talking about? Fucking hilarious. :lol2:

The bringing up of fiqh on spousal discipline which this thread has nothing to do with.
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:26 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:So fucking backwards.

Alcohol is the most dangerous hard drug in America, Islam deals with it as a serious harm because it is

Remember how much of a success Prohibition wa-oh, right.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:27 am

Kowani wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Alcohol is the most dangerous hard drug in America, Islam deals with it as a serious harm because it is

Remember how much of a success Prohibition wa-oh, right.

Prohibition hardly can be expected to work in a culture that holds even God Himself drank wine.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:27 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Physically disciplining one's wife is allowed in Islamic jurisprudence for something like she got drunk and left the baby alone at a park. Not for just being fussy or nagging or yelling.

Domestic abuse by page 5. I'd say that is some kind of record, but it really isn't.


The "zero-to-domestic-violence" figure is a big thing for enthusiasts comparing their favourite NSG Islamic fundamentalists.

People have tried installing mods but apparently they just take three weeks to decide if advocating rape is okay.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:28 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:So fucking backwards.

Alcohol is the most dangerous hard drug in America, Islam deals with it as a serious harm because it is


That would actually be nicotine. What does the Koran say about smoking tobacco?

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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:28 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:So fucking backwards.

Alcohol is the most dangerous hard drug in America, Islam deals with it as a serious harm because it is

And yet domestic abuse is not seen as a serious harm. Hmm...

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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:29 am

Back to topic: a verbal altercation consisting of calling someone "despicable" and "shameless" is very trivial to be charging as a crime. If verbal altercations were charged as crimes there would be more people in jail than out of it.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:30 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Alcohol is the most dangerous hard drug in America, Islam deals with it as a serious harm because it is

And yet domestic abuse is not seen as a serious harm. Hmm...

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Drinking is no no but smacking your wife upside the head till she learns her place is a okay
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:30 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:Back to topic: a verbal altercation consisting of calling someone "despicable" and "shameless" is very trivial to be charging as a crime. If verbal altercations were charged as crimes there would be more people in jail than out of it.

So, yeah, you don’t understand UK Speech Laws.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:31 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Alcohol is the most dangerous hard drug in America, Islam deals with it as a serious harm because it is


That would actually be nicotine. What does the Koran say about smoking tobacco?

Nothing although it is haram in every madhab because it is considered a form of self-harm.
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:32 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:Back to topic: a verbal altercation consisting of calling someone "despicable" and "shameless" is very trivial to be charging as a crime.

Yes it is, but this is a problem with the UK's hate speech laws; it is not discrimination against Muslims. You aren't the only group that get charged over mildly offensive speech.
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