Amazon deforestation nearly beyond recovery

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Ima just leave this conveniently right here

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8OyBtMPqpNY

I truly do feel fine about this

[Playing In The Water]

Well we can manage the decline without having to actually murder people. A couple of things to get the ball rolling:

1. All foreign food and disease aid ceases and is replaced with contraception or sterilization
2. All criminals, welfare dependents, addicts, those with heritable diseases, etc. are sterilized
3. All development into undeveloped areas is halted
4. US farm subsidies are ended and all illegal immigrants deported, collapsing the artificially high and environmentally-destructive US food industry
5. Imports from developing countries are banned, forcing Western countries to domestically produce products through environmentally-sustainable methods
6. Immediate US withdrawal from the Middle East. This creases mass instability in the region that leads to massive wars. The wars shutoff access to Middle Eastern oil and serves to further reduce the population as they'd likely use nukes and chemical weapons on each other

Of course, I don't actually advocate this, but if you're going to LARP about killing half of our species, then at least be logical about it.

For the record, I didn't bring up Thanos. I just replied once or twice to the suggestion.

See though, more than half of those options are legitimately callous, vile, and pretty much downright murderous. I don't like or agree with a single one of them, myself; they make my inner gooshy weak-person feelings twist up into a knot. And yet, by that same token, the rational side of me still doesn't even think that these - were they all implemented to the letter - would be enough to sort us out on their own, wouldn't be enough to stabilize the damage we've done. And not just because conflict and disorder tend to make global initiatives harder to implement and all, but just because...I don't know, the sheer scale of the damage we've done, and for just how long we've been doing it, it feels more like a situation in which we need 'all hands on deck' in order to fix it. Everyone put to the task.

Which is itself, of course, impossible. So whoopee I suppose, I have no solutions to all this; just like everybody else.

[Bear Stearns]

Well we can manage the decline without having to actually murder people. A couple of things to get the ball rolling:

1. All foreign food and disease aid ceases and is replaced with contraception or sterilization
2. All criminals, welfare dependents, addicts, those with heritable diseases, etc. are sterilized
3. All development into undeveloped areas is halted
4. US farm subsidies are ended and all illegal immigrants deported, collapsing the artificially high and environmentally-destructive US food industry
5. Imports from developing countries are banned, forcing Western countries to domestically produce products through environmentally-sustainable methods
6. Immediate US withdrawal from the Middle East. This creases mass instability in the region that leads to massive wars. The wars shutoff access to Middle Eastern oil and serves to further reduce the population as they'd likely use nukes and chemical weapons on each other

Of course, I don't actually advocate this, but if you're going to LARP about killing half of our species, then at least be logical about it.

For the record, I didn't bring up Thanos. I just replied once or twice to the suggestion.

See though, more than half of those options are legitimately callous, vile, and pretty much downright murderous.

Killing half of all people isn't?

I don't like or agree with a single one of them, myself; they make my inner gooshy weak-person feelings twist up into a knot.

Think of it this way, if we've already gotten the point where our leaders agree that half of humanity must die, then we've presumably already abandoned any other moral objections we might have had to this. It would not make sense to go 99% of the way there and then puss out at the end because even though we can stomach mass murder, we can't stomach discrimination.

And yet, by that same token, the rational side of me still doesn't even think that these - were they all implemented to the letter - would be enough to sort us out on their own, wouldn't be enough to stabilize the damage we've done. And not just because conflict and disorder tend to make global initiatives harder to implement and all, but just because...I don't know, the sheer scale of the damage we've done, and for just how long we've been doing it, it feels more like a situation in which we need 'all hands on deck' in order to fix it. Everyone put to the task.

Which is itself, of course, impossible. So whoopee I suppose, I have no solutions to all this; just like everybody else.

Then if we have no solutions or this is impossible to fix, why bother doing anything? Why not live out our lives until we die?

[Playing In The Water]

Killing half of all people isn't?

In my opinion, random, immediate euthanasia that nobody is quite expecting is a far cry from throwing the world into global civil war, disease, and starvation. Don't get me wrong, I severely don't like either idea, but we're looking at a whole bunch of situations that have no good angles to them. 'Unlivable planet' is just one of them, so yeah, distasteful topics ahoy.

Think of it this way, if we've already gotten the point where our leaders agree that half of humanity must be die, then we've presumably already abandoned any other moral objections we might have had to this. It would make sense to go 99% of the way there and then puss out at the end because even though we can stomach mass murder, we can't stomach discrimination.

Oh it's all in the same bag tbh. It's not so much any discrimination aspect I'm opposed to any 'more' than wanton murder, it's more the like...prolonged, bitter suffering bit. I mean that's kinda what we're lining ourselves up for as it is, which is what I - and I suspect many others in this thread and perhaps even beyond - are so unhappy about.

Then if we have no solutions or this is impossible to fix, why bother doing anything? Why not live out our lives until we die?

Welcome to my day-to-day, baby! One day at a time, ever-dreading the one that'll be the rapidly-approaching last.

[ImperialRussia]

Humanity will soon go to war naturally one nation will soon control all for their benefit and there tranny on the use of your technology for there is of surveillance in the control of your life so they build there socialist NWO utopia and there tracking system

[Novus America]

For the record, I didn't bring up Thanos. I just replied once or twice to the suggestion.

See though, more than half of those options are legitimately callous, vile, and pretty much downright murderous.

Killing half of all people isn't?

I don't like or agree with a single one of them, myself; they make my inner gooshy weak-person feelings twist up into a knot.

Think of it this way, if we've already gotten the point where our leaders agree that half of humanity must be die, then we've presumably already abandoned any other moral objections we might have had to this. It would make sense to go 99% of the way there and then puss out at the end because even though we can stomach mass murder, we can't stomach discrimination.

And yet, by that same token, the rational side of me still doesn't even think that these - were they all implemented to the letter - would be enough to sort us out on their own, wouldn't be enough to stabilize the damage we've done. And not just because conflict and disorder tend to make global initiatives harder to implement and all, but just because...I don't know, the sheer scale of the damage we've done, and for just how long we've been doing it, it feels more like a situation in which we need 'all hands on deck' in order to fix it. Everyone put to the task.

Which is itself, of course, impossible. So whoopee I suppose, I have no solutions to all this; just like everybody else.

Then if we have no solutions or this is impossible to fix, why bother doing anything? Why not live out our lives until we die?

Well you get it. You are a smart man, willing to think things through.

The fact is that if we are really going down the path of ends justifying the means to the point of mass murder, “fairness” is really a trite concern.
The ends justify the means approach would have us choose based on who would best suit our new world.
Obviously I am not saying we should do this, but IF we did, the whole we have to make it random and fair is just silly in light of what is being done.

[Duhon]

that

escalated

guys we still have 30 years we can probably save everyone

[Kowani]

that

escalated

guys we still have 30 years we can probably save everyone

Step one: Curbing capitalism.

[Reploid Productions]

Alrighty, stand by. Cleanup in progress.

The completely off-topic Thanos-flavored mass-murder fantasies and spammy conspiracy ranting have been removed.

Bear Stearns, San Lumen, you were the two main contributors to the Thanos-flavor derail. Given your respective warning histories however, you get let off with the FINGER OF SHAME being wagged disapprovingly in your direction.

*** ImperialRussia, WARNED for spamming/threadjacking. ***

Threw in a thread trawl while I was at it, so let's get that out of the way too.

What are you providing to the first world? Why should it keep you? How about move yourself to these nations and defend the forests.
Don't say that it's too expensive. Go, as it only costs $500 dollars one way, and don't come back.

Let's see... drive-by post, basically contributes nothing to the actual discussion and serves as little more than an attack on the poster....

Port Wentworth, that is NOT how we conduct ourselves here. Review the site rules immediately.

This, BUT. Give them Islam as well.

Given your history across puppets I should probably be smacking harder, but we'll leave it as a *** WARNED for spam/attempted threadjacking. ***

And millions of millennials were sad, because their lust for death had not been sated. :'c

Apparently my colleague's previous "thin ice" remark didn't get the point across. I'll spell it out much more bluntly. Since the beginning of this year you have had four forumbans. Your complete record contains 14 warnings and 9 forumbans. Given this post that appears to be trolling what likely includes a rather large portion of the site's population, I should probably take the hammer to that thin ice and DEAT you. Instead, I'm spelling this out. Your next offense will most likely result in the deletion of your nation.

In the meantime, reflect on how you approach discussions here during your *** Two week ban for trolling. ***

With all that out of the way, thread unlocked. Let's keep it on track this time please.


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[Piacentini]

Sad really. If the Amazon is so integral to our planet, wouldn’t the UN step in and crack down on Brazil a little?

[Bluelight-R006]

Sad really. If the Amazon is so integral to our planet, wouldn’t the UN step in and crack down on Brazil a little?

The UN? At this point of heated world politics?

Seriously speaking, since when has an international organization take drastic action, at least one with great results to protect the environment? If they cared so much about the Amazon, chances are that we’d not get this news now, or at least in the next few decades.

[Ethel mermania]

Give the aboriginal peoples of the Amazons guns. Lots of them. And tanks. And maybe some drones.

And since I'm a Posadist, I think we should also arm the Amazon river dolphins.

I have never met a native from south America or any 3rd worlder who once exposed to air conditioning, who did not want it for themselves.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I’m not surprised. Environmentalists have been sounding the alarm regarding Amazonian deforestation for over a decade now and we don’t seem to listen.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

If God exists, this sort of shit is why he invented Zika.

Why the hell does Brazil's national sovereignty entitle them to destroy things that are crucial to the rest of the world's ability to rein in climate change? We should invade Brazil, kill their loggers, and force a treaty on their government that would never allow rainforest logging ever again.

[Lanoraie II]

You know if you're so in tune about saving the rainforest, then someone should just buy up as much of the rainforest as possible and station armed guards there to shoot the illegal loggers.

It's not like the Brazilian military can do much to stop them.

And how would it be "Beyond recovery" does that mean the rest of the rainforest is somehow going to die in sympathy?

How does that even work?

A fair amount of it is legal as well, though. Also, buying up land is exactly what the founder of North Face did. It worked out pretty well.

Edit: Well, except for a small group of natives who got mad at him and some others who claimed he was "colonizing", which doesn't even make any sense since he turned it into a national park.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

You know if you're so in tune about saving the rainforest, then someone should just buy up as much of the rainforest as possible and station armed guards there to shoot the illegal loggers.

"Voting with your wallet" gives the rich too much power and the poor too little. The wealthy have no incentive to preserve a forest whose photosynthesis can rein in climate change, because they can just buy a new house.

It's not like the Brazilian military can do much to stop them.

Then maybe the rest of the world needs to step in.

And how would it be "Beyond recovery" does that mean the rest of the rainforest is somehow going to die in sympathy?

Hell if we know how it works. If we were that knowledgeable we'd have better things to do than piss away our time on the cesspool of BS that is the Internet. Go to your local university and ask a biologist.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Nice going alt right leader of Brazil.

[Novus America]

Sad really. If the Amazon is so integral to our planet, wouldn’t the UN step in and crack down on Brazil a little?

The UN?
The UN cannot and will not do anything. It dominated by the likes of the PRC who do not care and environment is not in its remit.

There is nothing in the UN charter requiring members to protect the environment.
Hilariously there are things requiring the protection of human rights, and we see how well that is enforced on the PRC, Saudis and DPRK.

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-climat ... 00751.html

Cue the curb your enthusiasm music

[San Lumen]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-climate-change-can-be-reversed-by-planting-a-forest-nearly-double-the-size-of-the-us-180000751.html

Cue the curb your enthusiasm music

why dont we do that then?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Fuck.

[Bread Herbert]

Humans are a part of nature, so its the natural cycle.

[Nakena]

This is bad news indeed. They should begin some re-forestation.

[Bread Herbert]

This is bad news indeed. They should begin some re-forestation.

No. Let evolution take its course so the trees can just evolve machine gun turrets to defend themselves.

[Lanorth]

Well.