Amazon deforestation nearly beyond recovery

[Bluelight-R006]

This is old news. Not shocking. Yet horrifying.

With it illegal loggers everywhere within the forest, even the law can’t stop them. Of course! They don’t care much of our environment.

They could arrest them but Bolsonaro could care less

I’ve always thought that in such a large forested area, the illegal loggers themselves would be hard to track down.

And trees are like dominoes. Despite your hard effort to knock down only one tree in a dense forested area, trees around would fall.

Reforestation is always an option, but it’ll take long. Though it’s better. Like the China green wall project.

[Bear Stearns]

If people would, they why aren't they? There are tons of billionaires that say they love the environment, fund a lot of environmental initiatives, and fund research into climate change. Why don't they do this?



I think we're just seeing the natural limits of the human population. The planet can't sustain all seven billion of us living Western lifestyles.

So that leaves two options.

1) Force industrialized countries back into pre-industrial states, killing hundreds of millions
2) Prevent pre-industrial societies from industrializing in the first place, killing close to nobody

I think a mass die off is inevitable at this point

I'm somewhat agree. And if this is indeed the case, then it's in our interests to be strategic about who survives the die off.

[San Lumen]

They could arrest them but Bolsonaro could care less

I’ve always thought that in such a large forested area, the illegal loggers themselves would be hard to track down.

And trees are like dominoes. Despite your hard effort to knock down only one tree in a dense forested area, trees around would fall.

Reforestation is always an option, but it’ll take long. Though it’s better. Like the China green wall project.

Arrest the logging company people and fine them for illegal logging and ban anyone from entering the forest.

[Bear Stearns]

Rise up and do what? Go to Brazil and kill loggers? Blow up some lumber yards? Raise funds to buy land marked for logging?

Raising funds to buy land would be a great idea but many people dont think about the planet are selfish

But why isn't this already happening? There are several rich people who are very committed to environmentalism.

[Bear Stearns]

I’ve always thought that in such a large forested area, the illegal loggers themselves would be hard to track down.

And trees are like dominoes. Despite your hard effort to knock down only one tree in a dense forested area, trees around would fall.

Reforestation is always an option, but it’ll take long. Though it’s better. Like the China green wall project.

Arrest the logging company people and fine them for illegal logging and ban anyone from entering the forest.

If you admitted that Bolsonaro could care less, then who is actually going to arrest them? Are we going to invade?

[Trollgaard]

Rise up and do what? Go to Brazil and kill loggers? Blow up some lumber yards? Raise funds to buy land marked for logging?

We're gonna form the environmental Republican army lmao

Just kidding, there's nothing we can do. The forest is beyond saving and so is our future

As I read this I was finishing of my giant bottle of La Fin du Monde, my favorite beer.

In my heart of hearts I fear...AND I LOATHE FUCKING FEAR- I get angry instead of afraid...that you may be correct.

To resolve the issue would require very unpopular actions.

[San Lumen]

Raising funds to buy land would be a great idea but many people dont think about the planet are selfish

But why isn't this already happening? There are several rich people who are very committed to environmentalism.

I have no idea

[Bluelight-R006]

I’ve always thought that in such a large forested area, the illegal loggers themselves would be hard to track down.

And trees are like dominoes. Despite your hard effort to knock down only one tree in a dense forested area, trees around would fall.

Reforestation is always an option, but it’ll take long. Though it’s better. Like the China green wall project.

Arrest the logging company people and fine them for illegal logging and ban anyone from entering the forest.

Protection of forested areas are always an option...

but the illegal loggers already got in. And like said, the illegal loggers doing the job can be hard to track down, unlike those who work at their offices and headquarters back in the City.

Not to mention the government who enforces the laws. They also have other matters to look over. I doubt the Amazon is the top on their list.

[San Lumen]

We're gonna form the environmental Republican army lmao

Just kidding, there's nothing we can do. The forest is beyond saving and so is our future

As I read this I was finishing of my giant bottle of La Fin du Monde, my favorite beer.

In my heart of hearts I fear...AND I LOATHE FUCKING FEAR- I get angry instead of afraid...that you may be correct.

To resolve the issue would require very unpopular actions.

Then do the unpopular actions, The planet matters more

[Bluelight-R006]

As I read this I was finishing of my giant bottle of La Fin du Monde, my favorite beer.

In my heart of hearts I fear...AND I LOATHE FUCKING FEAR- I get angry instead of afraid...that you may be correct.

To resolve the issue would require very unpopular actions.

Then do the unpopular actions, The planet matters more

What are these unpopular actions you mention? I’ve never heard of such.

[Trollgaard]

I don't know. I bet a large chunk of the costs could be crowd funded these days.

I bet millions would donate a few bucks to it. I would.

If people would, they why aren't they? There are tons of billionaires that say they love the environment, fund a lot of environmental initiatives, and fund research into climate change. Why don't they do this?

Honestly, the situation is dire...the rainforests are essentially the lungs of the world. I value national sovereignty and property rights, but this...this...supersedes borders.

I think we're just seeing the natural limits of the human population. The planet can't sustain all seven billion of us living Western lifestyles.

So that leaves two options.

1) Force industrialized countries back into pre-industrial states, killing hundreds of millions
2) Prevent pre-industrial societies from industrializing in the first place, killing close to nobody

Bro, I agree with you. I don't fucking have the answers. Waaaaay back when I had a thread on the old jolt forums about anti-civilization. I was 18-19 at the time, and full of zeal. I had books, and sources and whatnot. It was a semi-pro anarcho-primitivism thread...though I do not adhere to that ideology.

Basically....civilization as we know it unsustainable and needs to die. Deep down I believe these, though it is so fucking easy to be distracted and be lulled back to sleep. As I will be tomorrow most likely. LOLOLOL.

People can be better.

I fear the problems is systemic, and derived mainly from unabashed GREED and ignorance rather than outright malice.

I don't fucking have answers to these problems. I think this issue needs be tackled by multiple people, and quickly. Call Bill Gates!

[Bear Stearns]

If people would, they why aren't they? There are tons of billionaires that say they love the environment, fund a lot of environmental initiatives, and fund research into climate change. Why don't they do this?



I think we're just seeing the natural limits of the human population. The planet can't sustain all seven billion of us living Western lifestyles.

So that leaves two options.

1) Force industrialized countries back into pre-industrial states, killing hundreds of millions
2) Prevent pre-industrial societies from industrializing in the first place, killing close to nobody

Bro, I agree with you. I don't fucking have the answers. Waaaaay back when I had a thread on the old jolt forums about anti-civilization. I was 18-19 at the time, and full of zeal. I had books, and sources and whatnot. It was a semi-pro anarcho-primitivism thread...though I do not adhere to that ideology.

Basically....civilization as we know it unsustainable and needs to die. Deep down I believe these, though it is so fucking easy to be distracted and be lulled back to sleep. As I will be tomorrow most likely. LOLOLOL.

People can be better.

I fear the problems is systemic, and derived mainly from unabashed GREED and ignorance rather than outright malice.

I don't fucking have answers to these problems. I think this issue needs be tackled by multiple people, and quickly. Call Bill Gates!

I don't think civilization as a whole needs to die, but is obvious that only a small numbers of certain individuals are able to sustain it properly in a way that allows everyone to maintain a modern Western lifestyle with minimal environmental impact.

[Bear Stearns]

But why isn't this already happening? There are several rich people who are very committed to environmentalism.

I have no idea

It's probably because they don't actually care.

[Playing In The Water]

Bad as this is, just wait until the real lungs of the planet start malfunctioning. The oceans produce the VAST majority of the oxygen we breathe, and the more we turn our seas into an acid soup, the quicker we're going to learn that something so basic and taken for granted as breathing is not beyond our ability to completely fuck up.

Good job, everyone; we deserve what's coming.

[Berantoba]

Why don't the Brazilian just declared the Amazon's as a militarized area so those damned loggers could just get away

[Trollgaard]

Then do the unpopular actions, The planet matters more

What are these unpopular actions you mention? I’ve never heard of such.

Actions to prevent or..what's the goddamn word...allay? reduce the the effects of ecological collapse?

The mindset of more more more needs to be quashed. Unabashed greed needs to be end, and been seen for the SIN for which it is. There needs to be a paradigm shift. Honestly I don't think it will happen without a great catastrophe befalling mankind.

To prevent that catastrophe would require seemingly unfair, callous, unfeeling, and seemingly mean-spirited and malice filled decisions being made.

I want there to be another way. I want people to collectively, what a fucking commie term, realize that there IS right and wrong and act accordingly- moreso the powers that be.

Sorry for the ramblings.

[Tinhampton]

Deforestation of the Brazilian Amazon has surged above three football fields a minute

That figure was just one Kennington Oval per minute a few weeks ago!

I haven't had a mad fucking shout out the top of my busted lungs since KyoAni

Today is roughly as close to the Kyoto Animation arson attack (ten-and-a-quarter days) as Marco Tassotti's barge into Luis Enrique was to Mike Atherton's ball-tampering at Lord's. I did not lose any sleep over the collapse of Parmalat or the decimation of Armenia's Republicans and I most certainly hope that you did not either. Speaking of the South Africans, I'm slightly tempted to weedle out of this one "early" and make myself a nice, soothing cup of rooibos tea, even though it's ridiculous o'clock in the morning...

I think a mass die off is inevitable at this point

So when the Georgia Guidestones supposedly say that the global population needs to be about 500 million, that's a bad thing and we must resist the NWO, yet at the same time the man on the Clapham Omnibus is welcomed (or, at least, not smacked down) for saying that we have too many people on Planet Earth? don't look at me - the only reason I don't have more than one child is because I wound up suffering a miscarriage whilst trying for the second!

Arrest the logging company people and fine them for illegal logging (A) and ban anyone from entering the forest. (B)

Colour-coding was added by myself.
A: What is "illegal logging?" How do you believe that President Bolsonaro will do anything other than greatly liberalise the Amazonian forestry market? (It's unrealistic to assume that a One-World Government, on a similar scale to the UN but with much more power to impose its edicts, can be created and functioning in time to overrule everything that Bolsonaro says about deforestation - before the Workers' Party gets there first - because Greta Thunberg.)
B: Does this mean that undiscovered tribes will be evicted(!), and how will a NO UNAUTHORISED ENTRY zone on this scale be observed successfully?

[Kowani]

Bad as this is, just wait until the real lungs of the planet start malfunctioning. The oceans produce the VAST majority of the oxygen we breathe, and the more we turn our seas into an acid soup, the quicker we're going to learn that something so basic and taken for granted as breathing is not beyond our ability to completely fuck up.

Good job, everyone; we deserve what's coming.

The most advanced species on the planet, everybody. Good job.

[Bluelight-R006]

What are these unpopular actions you mention? I’ve never heard of such.

Actions to prevent or..what's the goddamn word...allay? reduce the the effects of ecological collapse?

The mindset of more more more needs to be quashed. Unabashed greed needs to be end, and been seen for the SIN for which it is. There needs to be a paradigm shift. Honestly I don't think it will happen without a great catastrophe befalling mankind.

To prevent that catastrophe would require seemingly unfair, callous, unfeeling, and seemingly mean-spirited and malice filled decisions being made.

I want there to be another way. I want people to collectively, what a fucking commie term, realize that there IS right and wrong and act accordingly- moreso the powers that be.

Sorry for the ramblings.

Unfortunately, the corruption of South American countries leave many fighting in political debates and stranded in dark economical pits. No one cares about the Amazon no more.

If we could all just chip in and all do our part to help the environment get back again. If it was that easy, but that’s a dream.

[Bear Stearns]

Mercy? If we're talking about killing half of all humans then mercy is already out the door. We've already crossed the point of no return.

So if we're going to commit to mass murder, then we need to do it correctly. As hard as it is to hear, the low IQ, those with heritable diseases, those with disabilities, antisocial criminals, and addicts would be the first to go.

Damn, I was gonna suggest we mass market birth control pills and condoms to every one and then you came in and basically called for a mass culling

This would be a very easy solution to foreign aid.

[Playing In The Water]

To put us a little back on topic/on track here, 'The Thanos Fix' isn't viable in any real way, shape, or form, and so isn't really worth debating altogether too much. It's a comic book fantasy, whereas we've got just about 8 billion real faces in front of every possible solution and behind every possible problem. That means nothing is going to come easy, nothing is going to come simple.

Long story short, nothing is going to come at all.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

Raising funds to buy land would be a great idea but many people dont think about the planet are selfish

To my knowledge the amazon is clear cut for farming, which is a really bad idea as the soil is only fertile for a few years...

Maybe this:

step one: buy land and hire very zealous guards
step two: teach Brazil about fertilizer.

They already know about Terra Preta. Yes, it requires organic material to char, but that is more sustainable (and cheaper) than modern fertilizers.

[Trollgaard]

To put us a little back on topic/on track here, 'The Thanos Fix' isn't viable in any real way, shape, or form, and so isn't really worth debating altogether too much. It's a comic book fantasy, whereas we've got just about 8 billion real faces in front of every possible solution and behind every possible problem. That means nothing is going to come easy, nothing is going to come simple.

Long story short, nothing is going to come at all.

While I do agree that there are probably too many people on the planet to support a western lifestyle...I think...many more than one would think could survive if the culture was more...relaxed? reserved? not driven by greed? I don't know.

The world is a fucking mess.

[Playing In The Water]

To put us a little back on topic/on track here, 'The Thanos Fix' isn't viable in any real way, shape, or form, and so isn't really worth debating altogether too much. It's a comic book fantasy, whereas we've got just about 8 billion real faces in front of every possible solution and behind every possible problem. That means nothing is going to come easy, nothing is going to come simple.

Long story short, nothing is going to come at all.

While I do agree that there are probably too many people on the planet to support a western lifestyle...I think...many more than one would think could survive if the culture was more...relaxed? reserved? not driven by greed? I don't know.

The world is a fucking mess.

For real. Honestly, I think the only chance for sustainability we might have ever had would have tied in somehow to mandatory population controls implemented some decades ago, probably, but, well...how in the heck would THAT sort of thing ever take off? It would never be accepted in 90% of the places it's most sorely needed. Just try to imagine, say, a modern democratic country's politician trying to vouch for that sort of policy, making it a platform for their election. They'd be crucified by just about every corner of society.

Oh and in regards to sustainability, too, this whole 'market economy founded on eternal growth' probably wasn't a good idea either. But well hey, live and learn, right? Even if we learned it WAY too fucking late.

[Bear Stearns]

I know its fantasy but how is it not viable?

Because I'm almost 100% positive that no purple spacemen are going to waltz in and 'solve' our problems by way of unprecedented genocide, mostly. That and the fact that no real world leader, politician, or decent human being could ever so much as suggest that doing such a thing would be a good call.

'Save humanity by giving up our humanity' is not a good catch-phrase, and the horrific logistics involved in such a campaign would be a collective scar on humanity's moral core that we would - deservedly - retain for all time.

Well we can manage the decline without having to actually murder people. A couple of things to get the ball rolling:

1. All foreign food and disease aid ceases and is replaced with contraception or sterilization
2. All criminals, welfare dependents, addicts, those with heritable diseases, etc. are sterilized
3. All development into undeveloped areas is halted
4. US farm subsidies are ended and all illegal immigrants deported, collapsing the artificially high and environmentally-destructive US food industry
5. Imports from developing countries are banned, forcing Western countries to domestically produce products through environmentally-sustainable methods
6. Immediate US withdrawal from the Middle East. This creases mass instability in the region that leads to massive wars. The wars shutoff access to Middle Eastern oil and serves to further reduce the population as they'd likely use nukes and chemical weapons on each other

Of course, I don't actually advocate this, but if you're going to LARP about killing half of our species, then at least be logical about it.