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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:59 am

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Yeah, but we all know that California was more Chad when it was Mexican.


Hardly. what my solution entails is a military occupation of California. Curfews, Martial law, the works.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:00 am

If the students don't want this mural then I'd be inclined to defer to them.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:00 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
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Hardly. what my solution entails is a military occupation of California. Curfews, Martial law, the works.

Any March to the Sea?


why scorch the earth and mother nature is doing that for you?
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:01 am

Ifreann wrote:If the students don't want this mural then I'd be inclined to defer to them.


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Postby Gagium » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:02 am

Ifreann wrote:If the students don't want this mural then I'd be inclined to defer to them.

Was it the students who were disturbed by the mural though?
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:03 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Hardly. what my solution entails is a military occupation of California. Curfews, Martial law, the works.

Any March to the Sea?

“When the Legion reaches the sea, it will turn on itself and die.” ― Ulysses.
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Postby Communal concils » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:03 am

Gagium wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If the students don't want this mural then I'd be inclined to defer to them.

Was it the students who were disturbed by the mural though?



YES.
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Postby Northern Syria » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:04 am

Gagium wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If the students don't want this mural then I'd be inclined to defer to them.

Was it the students who were disturbed by the mural though?

From the article:

Other critics have raised concerns about whether the decision-making process truly made room for student voices. The board’s decree followed a similarly lopsided vote in February from an advisory panel convened to determine the fate of the murals. But an account of the controversy published in April by the New York Times found that multiple school employees had advised against covering Life of Washington, noting that their students were largely opposed to the drastic step being taken in their name.

Nora Pelizzari, a spokesman for the National Coalition Against Censorship, said that the adults in charge missed a chance to involve students in a more collaborative exercise in consensus-building.

“There’s an educational benefit to encouraging critical thinking and collaborative problem-solving,” she said. “The people arguing that students are being traumatized by this — we have yet to hear those students, and what that trauma is, and if they want the mural removed. I think we’re not giving students enough credit, and we’re not giving them the opportunity to impact their own environment. So for us, the next steps on this are to push for spaces for student voices to be heard on all sides.”
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Postby Kowani » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:04 am

Gagium wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If the students don't want this mural then I'd be inclined to defer to them.

Was it the students who were disturbed by the mural though?

Yes.
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Postby Communal concils » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:06 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If the students don't want this mural then I'd be inclined to defer to them.


Because Students always know best.



I feel like the generations of the 21st century( both the current and future ones) are being told a watered down version of history. It becomes simplistic or reductionist. Sometimes to the point of fantasies or little kid cartoons.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:07 am

Northern Syria wrote:
Gagium wrote:Was it the students who were disturbed by the mural though?

From the article:

Other critics have raised concerns about whether the decision-making process truly made room for student voices. The board’s decree followed a similarly lopsided vote in February from an advisory panel convened to determine the fate of the murals. But an account of the controversy published in April by the New York Times found that multiple school employees had advised against covering Life of Washington, noting that their students were largely opposed to the drastic step being taken in their name.

So it isn't necessarily the students as such that want this to happen.
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Postby Communal concils » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:08 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Any March to the Sea?

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I kinda like the march to Georgian near the end of the American Civil war.

It becomes a great Meme against Neo-confederates.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:09 am

Communal concils wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Because Students always know best.



I feel like the generations of the 21st century( both the current and future ones) are being told a watered down version of history. It becomes simplistic or reductionist. Sometimes to the point of fantasies or little kid cartoons.

Boy, I hope you never learn about how US History used to be taught.
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Postby Imperium of The Huron » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:09 am

Imagine all the good that could be done with the $600,000 that is being spent on this.
Also why do they need a environmental impact report?

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Postby Gagium » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:09 am

Northern Syria wrote:
Gagium wrote:Was it the students who were disturbed by the mural though?

From the article:

Other critics have raised concerns about whether the decision-making process truly made room for student voices. The board’s decree followed a similarly lopsided vote in February from an advisory panel convened to determine the fate of the murals. But an account of the controversy published in April by the New York Times found that multiple school employees had advised against covering Life of Washington, noting that their students were largely opposed to the drastic step being taken in their name.

Nora Pelizzari, a spokesman for the National Coalition Against Censorship, said that the adults in charge missed a chance to involve students in a more collaborative exercise in consensus-building.

“There’s an educational benefit to encouraging critical thinking and collaborative problem-solving,” she said. “The people arguing that students are being traumatized by this — we have yet to hear those students, and what that trauma is, and if they want the mural removed. I think we’re not giving students enough credit, and we’re not giving them the opportunity to impact their own environment. So for us, the next steps on this are to push for spaces for student voices to be heard on all sides.”

Huh. Interesting..
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Postby Communal concils » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:10 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Northern Syria wrote:From the article:


So it isn't necessarily the students as such that want this to happen.



well, there was a few students to start the controversy.

which means that the minority rules over the majority, which makes me think that elitism has a big role in this.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:11 am

Communal concils wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:So it isn't necessarily the students as such that want this to happen.



well, there was a few students to start the controversy.

which means that the minority rules over the majority, which makes me think that elitism has a big role in this.

It isn't even elitism, it's just a few people shouting louder than the rest...
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Postby Communal concils » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:13 am

Kowani wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

I feel like the generations of the 21st century( both the current and future ones) are being told a watered down version of history. It becomes simplistic or reductionist. Sometimes to the point of fantasies or little kid cartoons.

Boy, I hope you never learn about how US History used to be taught.


I agree with the reactionaries that our education system is getting worse and people are not told the "Truth", but I will always keep my distant from those that call for the return of "Racial purity".
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:13 am

Makes me glad that Atlanta is placing plaques wherever there’s a confederate monument or street sign to give a historical context to the thing
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:14 am

Communal concils wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:So it isn't necessarily the students as such that want this to happen.



well, there was a few students to start the controversy.

which means that the minority rules over the majority, which makes me think that elitism has a big role in this.

Wow. A vocal minority raised a fuss about something nobody else had an issue with and had something destroyed. Why does it feel like loud fringes dominate everything now?
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:14 am

Thermodolia wrote:Makes me glad that Atlanta is placing plaques wherever there’s a confederate monument or street sign to give a historical context to the thing

Does the mural in this case have one? I doubt it.
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Postby Northern Syria » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:14 am

Communal concils wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:So it isn't necessarily the students as such that want this to happen.



well, there was a few students to start the controversy.

which means that the minority rules over the majority, which makes me think that elitism has a big role in this.

It's not elitism within the student body, it's the San Francisco school board trying to make a decision on what's best for the students without even asking the students what they think is best for them.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:15 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Makes me glad that Atlanta is placing plaques wherever there’s a confederate monument or street sign to give a historical context to the thing

Does the mural in this case have one? I doubt it.

It should.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:15 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

well, there was a few students to start the controversy.

which means that the minority rules over the majority, which makes me think that elitism has a big role in this.

It isn't even elitism, it's just a few people shouting louder than the rest...

The pox of our times. It's only going to get worse.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:15 am

Scomagia wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

well, there was a few students to start the controversy.

which means that the minority rules over the majority, which makes me think that elitism has a big role in this.

Wow. A vocal minority raised a fuss about something nobody else had an issue with and had something destroyed. Why does it feel like loud fringes dominate everything now?

It's still there, it hasn't been destroyed yet.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

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White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
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They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
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Wave on, wave on
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