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Californian school voted to remove George Washington Mural

Postby Communal concils » Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:59 am

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The vote was described by one board member as a form of “reparations” for historical crimes, and some members of the school community have complained that encountering the monumental art each day forces painful reckonings with oppression. But opponents of the decision argue that destroying the murals will effectively sanitize history and purge a rare and highly valuable work of American wall art. Some have even compared proponents of the idea to ISIS and the Taliban, who destroyed priceless works of cultural heritage in Afghanistan and Syria.

The order to repaint all 13 panels, which most observers agree are simply too extensive to be relocated elsewhere, has drawn criticism, as has the plan’s price tag: an estimated $600,000, which would include an environmental impact assessment. District staff estimated that the removal might take over a year; the board has said it would consider temporarily covering the art in the event of a legal or procedural delay.


The Mural was made in the 1930's by Russian-American Marxist Victor Arnautoff, it was made to criticize American perceptions of History.

I just find it as another typical reductionist opinion of history, especially from the Bourgeois liberal.The children( and some "Adults") are not told history in a mature way. They are not told historical context. Therefor, they have a idealist and Bourgeois perception of history. Depictions of colonialism and enslavement are suppose to be seen negatively, but emotionalism has limits.

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Postby Ors Might » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:04 am

What.

Looking at the mural in question, there doesn’t seem to me to be anything particularly wrong with it. I can’t see anything that particularly suggests that the Natives and early colonialists were buddy buddy. I get the opposite impression, actually.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:07 am

I can't wait for when they totally erase history and one day say "my ancestors were in slavery!" Only to get a "huh?" From the confused people who don't remember it because every trade of it was removed from existence
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Postby Estanglia » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:09 am

But opponents of the decision argue that destroying the murals will effectively sanitize history and purge a rare and highly valuable work of American wall art.


Wait, so they're destroying it?

That makes this shit even dumber.

Can we not destroy historical stuff because people don't like it?
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Postby Gagium » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:10 am

Communal concils wrote:The Mural was made in the 1930's by Russian-American Marxist Victor Arnautoff, it was made to criticize American perceptions of History.

Ah, the irony
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Estanglia wrote:
But opponents of the decision argue that destroying the murals will effectively sanitize history and purge a rare and highly valuable work of American wall art.


Wait, so they're destroying it?

That makes this shit even dumber.

Can we not destroy historical stuff because people don't like it?



The saddest things is that the Mural was suppose to criticize racism, views of slavery and colonialism.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:12 am

This is just sad. We shouldn’t destroy historical information for the sake of pleasing others. From this mural we can see the perception of history from people back then. It’s a useful source and example for those learning similar subjects.

Estanglia wrote:
But opponents of the decision argue that destroying the murals will effectively sanitize history and purge a rare and highly valuable work of American wall art.


Wait, so they're destroying it?

That makes this shit even dumber.

Can we not destroy historical stuff because people don't like it?

No. We live in a world where people are too weak to fight for themselves, and seek the desires of others despite knowing it’ll be an unhealthy compromise.

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Communal concils wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
Wait, so they're destroying it?

That makes this shit even dumber.

Can we not destroy historical stuff because people don't like it?



The saddest things is that the Mural was suppose to criticize racism, views of slavery and colonialism.


Oh the irony.
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Postby Communal concils » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:13 am

Rojava Free State wrote:I can't wait for when they totally erase history and one day say "my ancestors were in slavery!" Only to get a "huh?" From the confused people who don't remember it because every trade of it was removed from existence


At this point, I don't think liberals even love "liberty".

They are hedonist, they want to minimize pain and maximize happiness, which makes them value Feelings over fact.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:13 am

More revisionism. How disappointing.
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How long do you think we have before the mass book burning begins?
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:13 am

SAN FRANCISCO — A San Francisco school board decision to spend $600,000 to paint over a New Deal-era mural of George Washington as a slave owner is fueling a family feud among Democrats — with a growing chorus protesting that the controversial move may hand Donald Trump potent ammunition in his re-election bid.

“I think of myself as liberal, progressive, and have been all my life — but I’m just sort of stunned by this,’’ veteran Democratic strategist Bob Shrum said Sunday. “We have a little more important things to do — like defeating Donald Trump — than to whitewash a mural.”

Shrum, who today directs the Center for the Political Future and Unruh Institute of Politics at USC, set off a round of heated social media commentary Sunday when he tweeted: “I am a progressive Democrat, but this is nuts. Just because others are nuts, doesn’t mean we have to be.”

The San Francisco Board of Education voted unanimously last month to paint over all 13 panels of the 1600 sq. ft. mural “Life of Washington,’’ a historic work commissioned during the New Deal that depicts George Washington as a slave owner. The move came after several vocal protesters demanded the move at a public meeting, saying their children were “traumatized” by depictions of the nation’s first president standing over the images of dead Native Americans.

The mural at San Francisco’s George Washington High School was created in 1936 by Russian-American artist and Stanford University art professor Victor Arnautoff, a committed Communist and a painter in the school of social realism that also included his contemporary, the renowned Mexican muralist Diego Rivera.

School board commissioner Mark Sanchez appeared to dismiss the estimated $600,000 cost for the covering, and insisted the school board retains the option of covering the mural temporarily with paneling. "This is reparations," Sanchez told KQED radio.

Democratic strategist Mike Semler — who has advised Senator Dianne Feinstein and who has taught public policy at Cal State University Sacramento — this weekend sent out an emergency email alert seeking support for an effort to back a ballot measure to save the mural. He said the effort, dubbed the Coalition to Protect Public Art, aims to solicit funds to initiate a ballot measure designed to protect this art, “and perhaps other New Deal art in San Francisco’’ which may also be targeted.

With their move, the school board is “saying we’re all going to jump in this ship together and paddle left,’’ says Semler. “This is Nancy Pelosi’s district. This is where Kamala Harris is from. Clearly, this is not San Francisco values.”


Source: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/ ... co-1424425

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Communal concils wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:I can't wait for when they totally erase history and one day say "my ancestors were in slavery!" Only to get a "huh?" From the confused people who don't remember it because every trade of it was removed from existence


At this point, I don't think liberals even love "liberty".

They are hedonist, they want to minimize pain and maximize happiness, which makes them value Feelings over fact.


Ironically they maximize the suffering of others in their selfish attempt to minimize it for themselves
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Postby Estanglia » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:15 am

Even more ironic when one of the board members called it reparations.

So, to repay the horrific acts of racism, colonialism and slavery, they're destroying a mural designed to criticise racism, colonialism and slavery.

Good job.
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:16 am

Estanglia wrote:Even more ironic when one of the board members called it reparations.

So, to repay the horrific acts of racism, colonialism and slavery, they're tearing down a mural designed to criticise racism, colonialism and slavery.

Good job.

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Postby Soviet Tankistan » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:18 am

Estanglia wrote:
But opponents of the decision argue that destroying the murals will effectively sanitize history and purge a rare and highly valuable work of American wall art.


Wait, so they're destroying it?

That makes this shit even dumber.

Can we not destroy historical stuff because people don't like it?

No, this is America.
Estanglia wrote:Even more ironic when one of the board members called it reparations.

So, to repay the horrific acts of racism, colonialism and slavery, they're tearing down a mural designed to criticise racism, colonialism and slavery.

Good job.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:18 am

Imagine being so utterly ignorant and downright idiotic that you believe that tearing down a mural literally designed to criticize the institution of slavery and in general perceptions of American might and freedoms is the best course of action? I mean, do they even harbor any goodwill towards the country which has literally given them the right to openly criticize it, the same country which has given them the liberty to pursue their destiny and happiness and the freedom to live their life non-oppressed?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:18 am

So if I read this right then this one removal will 100% delete George Washington from recorded history everywhere.
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Estanglia wrote:Even more ironic when one of the board members called it reparations.

So, to repay the horrific acts of racism, colonialism and slavery, they're destroying a mural designed to criticise racism, colonialism and slavery.

Good job.

It’s funny how (I bet) no group of people have shouted that at their faces too.

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Postby Communal concils » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:19 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Communal concils wrote:
At this point, I don't think liberals even love "liberty".

They are hedonist, they want to minimize pain and maximize happiness, which makes them value Feelings over fact.


Ironically they maximize the suffering of others in their selfish attempt to minimize it for themselves



That is a common aspect of Hedonism. You take away joy from other people to increase your own concept of Joy. It might not always be like that, but that is a very common thing.

Liberals (especially middle class ones) have alienated themselves from the rest of society. Their needs are valued over others, and their individualism is a cover for Herd morality.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:20 am

Vassenor wrote:So if I read this right then this one removal will 100% delete George Washington from recorded history everywhere.

Vass plz. Do you not see the utter idiocy of this delusional move? The mural was designed to criticize racism, slavery, and perceptions of American might, not glorify it.
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Postby Estanglia » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:20 am

Vassenor wrote:So if I read this right then this one removal will 100% delete George Washington from recorded history everywhere.


You definitely didn't read this right.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:20 am

Vassenor wrote:So if I read this right then this one removal will 100% delete George Washington from recorded history everywhere.


It's a trend pal. You see nationwide people wanna not only take down statues but want them absolutely destroyed as well.
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