Classes on Islam should be mandatory, UK teachers say

[Al Mumtahanah]

Islam is the only religion on NSG where a topic on it turns into a screed that pretty much carry the tone that all Muslims should be ashamed of being Muslims and should convert or go atheistic.

Like a damn children's song.

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Muslims Are Evil
Muslims Are Primitive
Muslims Are Ravenous
Muslims Are Savage
Only The Mobile Infantry Stands Between Earth And The Muslims

Annoying.

Bruh I'm Muslim and I'm criticizing aspects of it. Is that bad?

You are from a very small sect founded by a man who claimed to be the promised Messiah and supported "the blessed reign of Queen Victoria" and whose family enjoyed immense status and favor from the colonial government and fought with the British to help them subjugate Muslims. You yourself have advocated the West invade and subjugate Muslims. It's a cinch you would be critical of aspects of Islam.

[The Alma Mater]

Islam is the only religion on NSG where a topic on it turns into a screed that pretty much carry the tone that all Muslims should be ashamed of being Muslims and should convert or go atheistic.

To be fair, that was obviously the TS his intent.

[Ifreann]

Atheism does not entail hating religion.

Well nonetheless we hate religion for oppressing mankind with ignorance and violence. We gotta stop it, I mean it's 2019. It's time

Who's "we"? Got a mouse in your pocket?

[The Alma Mater]

Nah, that is antitheism. Most atheist simply do not care.

It depends. There are a lot of atheists out there who are a bit, shall we say, overeager to dab on religious people and tell them how stupid they are for believing in such things.

Obviously this is not all or even most atheists. But it is a lot.

On online forums centered around political and religious debate that is certainly true.
But in real life ?

[Al Mumtahanah]

I agree, there is no scriptural basis for the death penalty for apostasy. Infact, the Quran doesn't mention an earthly punishment for it at all. It is implied that it is a matter of the hereafter and not a human concern.

So they'll burn in hell instead. Awesome

This is clearly a theological issue and not within the purview of this thread.

[Al Mumtahanah]

If you oppose Islam and see it as a dangerous threat then learning about it would be even MORE important. Why would parents who see Islam as a threat not want their children to learn about it? The answer is simple, the parents tell lies or propaganda to their children and don't want that corrected, this is the contemporary equivalent to Blood Libel.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Remember the issue is not parents opting their kids out of RE altogether because they think it is a waste of time, but JUST the Islam part of RE.

[Nakena]

Current year.


You don't believe in Jahannam anyways, why does something you believe isn't real worrying you?

I'm not concerned about hell, I'm concerned about the desire of certain people for folks like me to go there

We're considered Kafir.

[Nova Cyberia]

Remember the issue is not parents opting their kids out of RE altogether because they think it is a waste of time, but JUST the Islam part of RE.

Well, being a bit wary of Islam is a virtue all should pursue.

[Scherzinger]

islam is a religion, a backwards one at that but a religion nonetheless. If the UK is still as free as it claims to be, this would, and thankfully will, never pass. If an individual wants to learn about a religious congregation, no matter how backwards it is, it should be left to the individual themselves to decide, not some teachers that think forcing religion on a student is a bright idea. Especially a religion that openly practices stoning those who bed with a person of the same gender, treats their women like second class garbage, bans specific animals from consumption, even if they have no adverse affect on the body, and warring with another sect of its religion over who some messenger was. Who cares who the messenger was, did you get the message? LGBT classes in Britain, if they do in fact exist, are just as stupid and useless as islam classes. In the US, unfortunately, they have gender studies, because these Americans aren't sure what gender they want to be today. However, under the constitution, it specifically states that there shall be a separation of church and state, meaning the government may not force the school to have religious classes or practices in its educational establishments. Again if an individual wishes to learn about or convert to a religion, it is up to that individual alone to do so. It is not an obligation of the public schools to teach kids about religion. Its somewhat upsetting to see that a religion of hate, racism, and war is even being considered as a class in the schools of one of the most elite educational countries in the world.

And before all you gung-ho muslims come at me with some sort of crap, allow me to clear some things up.

I am from Germany, and i reside in the US, so i am not American, it took me 12 years to learn proper english
I am so far against islam i would happily go to war to fight it
While i am as straight as they come, i am a huge supporter of Gay Lesbian, and Bisexual rights and freedoms, something your religion forbids
I support the rights of all people, including the right to allow women to dress in any manner they choose
Before you even make demands, i have no intention to read the "glorious' quoran, unless it is to provide kindling to my fire, as i would do with anoy other relgious book thrown at my face

with that i bid you farewell and with it, whatever luck, or welfare that fate decides you deserve.

[Al Mumtahanah]

I'm not concerned about hell, I'm concerned about the desire of certain people for folks like me to go there

We're considered Kafir.

You don't say?

Kafir (Arabic: كافر‎ kāfir; plural كَافِرُونَ kāfirūna, كفّار kuffār or كَفَرَة kafarah; feminine كافرة kāfirah; feminine plural كافرات kāfirāt or كوافر kawāfir) is an Arabic term (from the root K-F-R "to cover") meaning "infidel",[1] "rejector",[2] "disbeliever", "unbeliever", "nonbeliever".

[Al Mumtahanah]

Remember the issue is not parents opting their kids out of RE altogether because they think it is a waste of time, but JUST the Islam part of RE.

Well, being a bit wary of Islam is a virtue all should pursue.

Ignorance is not a virtue, ignorance of Islam is even less one if you are sincerely wary.

[Nova Cyberia]

Well, being a bit wary of Islam is a virtue all should pursue.

Ignorance is not a virtue, ignorance of Islam is even less one if you are sincerely wary.

Oh, I'm not talking about ignorance. I think people should be well-educated on their enemy.

I'm just saying that being wary of Islam is understandable.

[Nakena]

Ignorance is not a virtue, ignorance of Islam is even less one if you are sincerely wary.

Oh, I'm not talking about ignorance. I think people should be well-educated on their enemy.

I'm just saying that being wary of Islam is understandable.

It makes perfect sense. Depending on the perspective, however more often than not things are being teached from a wrong way and its being given the benefit of the doubt.

We're considered Kafir.

You don't say?

Kafir (Arabic: كافر‎ kāfir; plural كَافِرُونَ kāfirūna, كفّار kuffār or كَفَرَة kafarah; feminine كافرة kāfirah; feminine plural كافرات kāfirāt or كوافر kawāfir) is an Arabic term (from the root K-F-R "to cover") meaning "infidel",[1] "rejector",[2] "disbeliever", "unbeliever", "nonbeliever".

Pretty much that yes. I have no illusions about it.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Bruh I'm Muslim and I'm criticizing aspects of it. Is that bad?

You are from a very small sect founded by a man who claimed to be the promised Messiah and supported "the blessed reign of Queen Victoria" and whose family enjoyed immense status and favor from the colonial government and fought with the British to help them subjugate Muslims. You yourself have advocated the West invade and subjugate Muslims. It's a cinch you would be critical of aspects of Islam.

Is that a no true scotsman?

[Al Mumtahanah]

You are from a very small sect founded by a man who claimed to be the promised Messiah and supported "the blessed reign of Queen Victoria" and whose family enjoyed immense status and favor from the colonial government and fought with the British to help them subjugate Muslims. You yourself have advocated the West invade and subjugate Muslims. It's a cinch you would be critical of aspects of Islam.

Is that a no true scotsman?

No, although most Muslims in fact do not consider his sect Muslim. There have been several fatwas to this extent and they are banned from hajj.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Is that a no true scotsman?

No, although most Muslims in fact do not consider his sect Muslim. There have been several fatwas to this extent and they are banned from hajj.

Then what’s the point you’re trying to make?

[Al Mumtahanah]

No, although most Muslims in fact do not consider his sect Muslim. There have been several fatwas to this extent and they are banned from hajj.

Then what’s the point you’re trying to make?

That his sect has always supported non Muslims against Muslims so appealing to "I'm a Muslim" should have that qualifier, as well the qualifier that every other sect has made takfir on his sect.

[Kowani]

No, although most Muslims in fact do not consider his sect Muslim. There have been several fatwas to this extent and they are banned from hajj.

Then what’s the point you’re trying to make?

“Liberal Muslims.”

[Al Mumtahanah]

Then what’s the point you’re trying to make?

“Liberal Muslims.”

There are liberal Muslims of every stripe.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Then what’s the point you’re trying to make?

That his sect has always supported non Muslims against Muslims so appealing to "I'm a Muslim" should have that qualifier, as well the qualifier that every other sect has made takfir on his sect.

....that’s essentially a no true scotsman. Their arguments stand whether or not you consider them “real Muslims”. Do you have any arguments that aren’t logical fallacies?

[Al Mumtahanah]

That his sect has always supported non Muslims against Muslims so appealing to "I'm a Muslim" should have that qualifier, as well the qualifier that every other sect has made takfir on his sect.

....that’s essentially a no true scotsman. Their arguments stand whether or not you consider them “real Muslims”. Do you have any arguments that aren’t logical fallacies?

Most Muslims define Islam as including the belief that Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was the final prophet.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

....that’s essentially a no true scotsman. Their arguments stand whether or not you consider them “real Muslims”. Do you have any arguments that aren’t logical fallacies?

Most Muslims define Islam as including the belief that Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was the final prophet.

Well, unfortunately, we don’t appeal to the majority to make judgements either. That’s also a logical fallacy.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Most Muslims define Islam as including the belief that Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was the final prophet.

Well, unfortunately, we don’t appeal to the majority to make judgements either. That’s also a logical fallacy.

Actually in defining words you do make appeals to either majorities or scholars.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Islam is the only religion on NSG where a topic on it turns into a screed that pretty much carry the tone that all Muslims should be ashamed of being Muslims and should convert or go atheistic.

Like a damn children's song.

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Muslims Are Evil
Muslims Are Primitive
Muslims Are Ravenous
Muslims Are Savage
Only The Mobile Infantry Stands Between Earth And The Muslims

Annoying.

There's literally nothing wrong with criticising a religion. The Reformation criticised the tenets of Catholicism. So many great thinkers like Christopher Hitchens have criticised Christianity as a whole. Why is Islam immune to this academic and intellectual exercise?

Because they are a minority and that is all many leftists seem to care about.