Classes on Islam should be mandatory, UK teachers say

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Read this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduis ... GBT_topics, so you get what I mean.

Yes there is both negative and positive attitudes. That is apparent, especially in the mob violence that sometimes erupts in India against LGBT people. But to compare it to the treatment of LGBT people by Muslims is not accurate.

Please note that nowhere have I compared Hinduism’s views on LGBT people to those of Islam. What I’m remarking on is that the view on LGBT people will be dependent on the particular Hindu you ask. Some have positive views while others do not.

[Greater Cesnica]

Yes there is both negative and positive attitudes. That is apparent, especially in the mob violence that sometimes erupts in India against LGBT people. But to compare it to the treatment of LGBT people by Muslims is not accurate.

Please note that nowhere have I compared Hinduism’s views on LGBT people to those of Islam. What I’m remarking on is that the view on LGBT people will be dependent on the particular Hindu you ask. Some have positive views while others do not.

True.

[Gormwood]

Islam is the only religion on NSG where a topic on it turns into a screed that pretty much carry the tone that all Muslims should be ashamed of being Muslims and should convert or go atheistic.

Like a damn children's song.

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Muslims Are Evil
Muslims Are Primitive
Muslims Are Ravenous
Muslims Are Savage
Only The Mobile Infantry Stands Between Earth And The Muslims

Annoying.

[Greater Cesnica]

Islam is the only religion on NSG where a topic on it turns into a screed that pretty much carry the tone that all Muslims should be ashamed of being Muslims and should convert or go atheistic.

Like a damn children's song.

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Muslims Are Evil
Muslims Are Primitive
Muslims Are Ravenous
Muslims Are Savage
Only The Mobile Infantry Stands Between Earth And The Muslims

Annoying.

Bruh I'm Muslim and I'm criticizing aspects of it. Is that bad?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Islam is the only religion on NSG where a topic on it turns into a screed that pretty much carry the tone that all Muslims should be ashamed of being Muslims and should convert or go atheistic.

Like a damn children's song.

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Muslims Are Evil
Muslims Are Primitive
Muslims Are Ravenous
Muslims Are Savage
Only The Mobile Infantry Stands Between Earth And The Muslims

Annoying.

Bruh I'm Muslim and I'm criticizing aspects of it. Is that bad?

Nope. You’re just being self aware. It’s good to question.

[Purgatio]

I never said getting a job was the only purpose of schools, I said that the purpose of educational facilities is to promote the educational and developmental opportunities for children, which includes career opportunities but also other direct, tangible benefits. Football has a direct, tangible benefit, it encourages collaboration and teamwork, physical fitness in a fun and recreational/entertaining setting. But I don't see the direct, tangible benefit of having classes on Islam, and no one here has provided a good argument on why such classes are beneficial for the development of children beyond "Muslims exist" which is a bad argument since lots of different communities exist and we don't have the time to teach about every single religion, every single culture, every single language out there in the world.

You know that Islam is one of the biggest religions in the world, yeah? And that there are several Islamic countries? Islam isn't some fringe religion with only 100 adherents.

All you have to do is advance a logically-coherent case on why Islam classes advance the development of children.

I think it's self-evident that having a greater understanding of the world in which one lives constitutes an advance in one's development.

In a perfect world where there was unlimited time and unlimited resources, I think children should learn about literally everything in the world today, children should learn every language, every culture, every country, the history of every nation and every community, and yes, every religion out there. But as you yourself admitted, this is impossible. So explain why learning about the tenets of Islam is so precious and so important it justifies an entire class dedicated to learning about Islam and not all those other things I listed above. Do you want children in the UK to learn Chinese and Korean and Japanese? Do you want children in the UK to learn Saudi Arabian or Ugandan history? Or the culture of indigenous Australian Aboriginals? Again, if there was unlimited time and unlimited resources and unlimited teachers, maybe there is developmental value in teaching children literally everything including all the things I just listed, but in the absence of that, why do you consider learning about Islam in particular so much more valuable than all the other things that might be good to know but we don't currently teach in school for lack of time and resources?

[Purgatio]

Islam is the only religion on NSG where a topic on it turns into a screed that pretty much carry the tone that all Muslims should be ashamed of being Muslims and should convert or go atheistic.

Like a damn children's song.

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Muslims Are Evil
Muslims Are Primitive
Muslims Are Ravenous
Muslims Are Savage
Only The Mobile Infantry Stands Between Earth And The Muslims

Annoying.

There's literally nothing wrong with criticising a religion. The Reformation criticised the tenets of Catholicism. So many great thinkers like Christopher Hitchens have criticised Christianity as a whole. Why is Islam immune to this academic and intellectual exercise?

[Ors Might]

Islam is the only religion on NSG where a topic on it turns into a screed that pretty much carry the tone that all Muslims should be ashamed of being Muslims and should convert or go atheistic.

Like a damn children's song.

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Muslims Are Evil
Muslims Are Primitive
Muslims Are Ravenous
Muslims Are Savage
Only The Mobile Infantry Stands Between Earth And The Muslims

Annoying.

Oh cut the shit, Gauth. As if you wouldn’t be glad to shit talk a Christian defending the homophobic parts of their faith.

[Gormwood]

Islam is the only religion on NSG where a topic on it turns into a screed that pretty much carry the tone that all Muslims should be ashamed of being Muslims and should convert or go atheistic.

Like a damn children's song.

Code: Select all

Muslims Are Evil
Muslims Are Primitive
Muslims Are Ravenous
Muslims Are Savage
Only The Mobile Infantry Stands Between Earth And The Muslims

Annoying.

Bruh I'm Muslim and I'm criticizing aspects of it. Is that bad?

And yet you don't mind being collectively lumped in with the likes of ISIS apparently like these screeds do with all Muslims including you.

[Rojava Free State]

Islam is the only religion on NSG where a topic on it turns into a screed that pretty much carry the tone that all Muslims should be ashamed of being Muslims and should convert or go atheistic.

Like a damn children's song.

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Muslims Are Evil
Muslims Are Primitive
Muslims Are Ravenous
Muslims Are Savage
Only The Mobile Infantry Stands Between Earth And The Muslims

Annoying.

Oh cut the shit, Gauth. As if you wouldn’t be glad to shit talk a Christian defending the homophobic parts of their faith.

Muslims Are Evil: no, most Muslims aren't but Islam is
Muslims Are Primitive: some are, many are not
Muslims Are Ravenous: my ex girlfriend who is Muslim is ravenous in certain ways you could say.
Muslims Are Savage: my friend Muayid is pretty savage. He doesn't back down.
Only The Mobile Infantry Stands Between Earth And The Muslims: if by the mobile infantry you mean facts and logic and respect for human rights and by Muslims you mean Islam as a belief system then yes

[Ors Might]

Bruh I'm Muslim and I'm criticizing aspects of it. Is that bad?

And yet you don't mind being collectively lumped in with the likes of ISIS apparently like these screeds do with all Muslims including you.

Now where have we been calling all Muslims ISIS supporters?

[The Hindustani State]

As if Hindus do so much better with women and LGBTs.

Why is it mutually-exclusive? Why can't you believe it is incoherent for the LGBT community and feminists to idolise both Islam and Hinduism?

Why would it be incoherent for LGBT to idolize Hinduism? It seems to be the only major religion in the world that recognizes homosexuality in its core religious texts, and described it in a positive light

[Ifreann]

Hell no.

If this was a thing I'd walk out of every Islam class until they stop such things as this.

If I wanted to learn about Islam I'd do it in my own time.

Time taken up to learn about Islam could be used for a skill that is actually useful such as maths, science and English - the core subjects.

But you'd sit quietly in RE for all the classes about Christianity?

[Rojava Free State]

Islam is the only religion on NSG where a topic on it turns into a screed that pretty much carry the tone that all Muslims should be ashamed of being Muslims and should convert or go atheistic.

Like a damn children's song.

Code: Select all

Muslims Are Evil
Muslims Are Primitive
Muslims Are Ravenous
Muslims Are Savage
Only The Mobile Infantry Stands Between Earth And The Muslims

Annoying.

There's literally nothing wrong with criticising a religion. The Reformation criticised the tenets of Catholicism. So many great thinkers like Christopher Hitchens have criticised Christianity as a whole. Why is Islam immune to this academic and intellectual exercise?

Cause many of its adherents actually believe it and will think you're insulting god

[Greater Cesnica]

Bruh I'm Muslim and I'm criticizing aspects of it. Is that bad?

And yet you don't mind being collectively lumped in with the likes of ISIS apparently like these screeds do with all Muslims including you.

Who the fuck who's actually relevant on this thread is comparing all Muslims to ISIS again?

[Nakena]

Bruh I'm Muslim and I'm criticizing aspects of it. Is that bad?

And yet you don't mind being collectively lumped in with the likes of ISIS apparently like these screeds do with all Muslims including you.

Nice try gauth. But Ahmadiyya Muslims are exactly endangered as secular Muslims or everyone else if ISIS were to take over.

So again. It isn't about Muslims. Me and Rojava have made this pretty clear by now I think.

[The Hindustani State]

And yet you don't mind being collectively lumped in with the likes of ISIS apparently like these screeds do with all Muslims including you.

Who the fuck who's actually relevant on this thread is comparing all Muslims to ISIS again?

Gormwood

[Rojava Free State]

Why is it mutually-exclusive? Why can't you believe it is incoherent for the LGBT community and feminists to idolise both Islam and Hinduism?

Why would it be incoherent for LGBT to idolize Hinduism? It seems to be the only major religion in the world that recognizes homosexuality in its core religious texts, and described it in a positive light

LGBT people idolizing any of the monotheistic religions of the mid East is pretty confusing

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Why is it mutually-exclusive? Why can't you believe it is incoherent for the LGBT community and feminists to idolise both Islam and Hinduism?

Why would it be incoherent for LGBT to idolize Hinduism? It seems to be the only major religion in the world that recognizes homosexuality in its core religious texts, and described it in a positive light

That’s not altogether true. There are several dharmic texts that have injunctions against homosexuality.

[Greater Cesnica]

Who the fuck who's actually relevant on this thread is comparing all Muslims to ISIS again?

Gormwood

Quick background: Gormwood is the new nation of a nation named Gauthier which got DEAT'd.

[Cauralia]

Yeah, they should teach how horrible of a religion it is that preaches hate against women and non-Muslims and wants LGBT people killed.

Hatred of women? How? This sort of ignorance is exactly what makes these classes necessary.

Imagine basing your legal system over some book that is almost 1,500 years old.

Remember that it was only in 2018 that Saudi Arabia made it legal for women to drive.

Remember that Saudi Arabia executes people in an incredibly violent way for being LGBT.

Yeah, some "ignorance".

[United States of Americanas]

Religion, in public schools? Get the fuck out!

Maybe as an opt in program in high school but there is zero necessity for religion to be mandatory in schools. The vast majority of religions are brainwashing cults.

[The Hindustani State]

Why would it be incoherent for LGBT to idolize Hinduism? It seems to be the only major religion in the world that recognizes homosexuality in its core religious texts, and described it in a positive light

That’s not altogether true. There are several dharmic texts that have injunctions against homosexuality.

Right, there are, but dharmic texts are basically “opinion articles” for Hinduism while the Vedas and Bhagavad Geeta are the “manifesto” if you will. Any educated priest could write a text and if the wider clergy at the time approves of it, it becomes “dharmic”

[Gormwood]

Gormwood

Quick background: Gormwood is the new nation of a nation named Gauthier which got DEAT'd.

And this personal cheap shot has everything to do with the thread topic.

[Greater Cesnica]

Quick background: Gormwood is the new nation of a nation named Gauthier which got DEAT'd.

And this personal cheap shot has everything to do with the thread topic.

It's not a cheap shot. I'm just stating that is in fact who you are. What is a cheap shot is putting words in other people's mouths.