Classes on Islam should be mandatory, UK teachers say

[The Hindustani State]

Here we go again, people pretending Islam is the only Abrahamic religion that opposes LGBTs and talks about the subservience of women.

Yes, Christianity and Judaism are also anti modern, and that's why I hope everyday that the evangelicals and Catholic church will lose a hold of america. That being said, Islam is also violent and anti Democratic and unlike most christians, a large number of Muslims believe Islam to be true. Most so called Christians in Europe don't actually take their religion seriously whereas in many Muslim countries, questioning or insulting Islam is seen as the ultimate sin

That’s true for Muslims in non-muslim countries as well, in fact, political pressure from Muslims is the reason India has separate laws for Muslims and Hindus (Muslims have Sharia law and mysogynistic policies like 3 talaq)

[Thepeopl]

Yes Islam should be taught in school. Since it is the successor of the new testament of the bible.
So Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the same religion.
All muslims should be aware of this fact.

[Rojava Free State]

Yes, Christianity and Judaism are also anti modern, and that's why I hope everyday that the evangelicals and Catholic church will lose a hold of america. That being said, Islam is also violent and anti Democratic and unlike most christians, a large number of Muslims believe Islam to be true. Most so called Christians in Europe don't actually take their religion seriously whereas in many Muslim countries, questioning or insulting Islam is seen as the ultimate sin

It’s almost like you can dislike the Abrahamic religions and still think that some are less bad than others. Like if all of the countries that execute people of your demographic are dominated by the same, specific Abrahamic religion.

It isn't so much the actual beliefs that change my view of them as it is the practices in the modern day. Islam hasn't been hit by a dose of the enlightenment like Christianity and Judaism were and as a result, the modernization process only began in the 20th century and is struggling to this day against the forces of barbarity. It also doesn't help that when some Arab guy says "why don't we create a secular democracy that respects the rights of all people?" or even a dictator who says "we shouldn't be jihadists, " the US and its best friends saudi Arabia and Israel come in to help the terrorists, like in syria.

[Rojava Free State]

Yes, Christianity and Judaism are also anti modern, and that's why I hope everyday that the evangelicals and Catholic church will lose a hold of america. That being said, Islam is also violent and anti Democratic and unlike most christians, a large number of Muslims believe Islam to be true. Most so called Christians in Europe don't actually take their religion seriously whereas in many Muslim countries, questioning or insulting Islam is seen as the ultimate sin

That’s true for Muslims in non-muslim countries as well, in fact, political pressure from Muslims is the reason India has separate laws for Muslims and Hindus (Muslims have Sharia law and mysogynistic policies like 3 talaq)

I will say that in America we thankfully haven't had this. We do a pretty good job of assimilating Muslim people, at least compared to Europe or India we do. The issue is when a country doesn't have the balls to challenge people with extreme beliefs, and those people can keep pushing their way of life on others and become more crazy as time goes on. India should have the same law for everyone and any Muslim who doesn't like it can move to Pakistan

[The Hindustani State]

That’s true for Muslims in non-muslim countries as well, in fact, political pressure from Muslims is the reason India has separate laws for Muslims and Hindus (Muslims have Sharia law and mysogynistic policies like 3 talaq)

I will say that in America we thankfully haven't had this. We do a pretty good job of assimilating Muslim people, at least compared to Europe or India we do. The issue is when a country doesn't have the balls to challenge people with extreme beliefs, and those people can keep pushing their way of life on others and become more crazy as time goes on. India should have the same law for everyone and any Muslim who doesn't like it can move to Pakistan

The separate law system was created right after independence by the Congress party due to realpolitik, but the current Modi government is looking to change things. Unfortunately, left wing pro-Congress media tags it as “Hindu Fascism,” so MPs used to have a hard time supporting it.

[N7eternia]

Palestine does not kill gays and recognizes gay marriage done outside the state because marriage isn't civil in palestine. The nations of Albania and Lebanon also recognize gay rights to a certain degree and Lebanon has recently started debating if it'll legalize gay marriage. ThAt being said, most Muslim countries are very anti gay and it amazes me that people on the American left who claim to support women's rights and gay rights also vehemently defend a religion that views women as property and gays as a target for violence and hate. If you support gay rights and feminism, you ought to dislike Islam more than I do. It doesn't mean you should hate all Muslims but if Imam Rami Farouk (totally made up name, this man does not exist) says "we should put homosexuals to death," your response ought to be " well you're one sick puppy aren't you? " And not "anyone who criticizes this religion for thinking this way is just islamaphobic and racist." Islam isn't a religion of peace. Christianity isn't a religion of love. Thankfully Europe learned in the 1700s to stop treating Christianity like it's actually real...well except for spain. Their inquisition went on till the 1800s

It's hard for me to accept that I should react like that. (And no, I'm obviously not saying you, Rojava, just that I know that point of view) Of course I have heard about Islam or other religions that have treated gays as the bottom of the barrel, it's a fact (and I really hate using that cliched phrase.) But for me; do I only care about facts? No. Because I have met people and became friends with them when I am supposed to be the ultimate embodiment of what is wrong and evil in their religions eyes. It's so tricky because as a whole, in general, overall, it seems to be very bad. But my choice is to react with a cautious open mind and trying to understand because I was lucky to make friends and not be stuck in fear of the unknown.

[Crockerland]

Palestine does not kill gays and recognizes gay marriage done outside the state because marriage isn't civil in palestine.

Obviously false. Gay people are hunted down by the Palestinian police, tortured, and in some cases murdered, such as most recently with a Hamas commander who was executed after it was discovered he was gay.
http://www.radionetherlandsarchives.org/in-limbo-palestinian-gays/
https://www.newsweek.com/prominent-hamas-commander-was-executed-after-accusations-gay-sex-432343
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12496/palestinians-gays
https://web.archive.org/web/20100324225556/http://www.indegayforum.org/news/show/27154.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3211772.stm
http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/world/palestine/psnews007.htm

Gay men in Palestine are accused of collaborating with Israel if they are found to be gay, and people accused of collaboration are put to death.

[Ors Might]

It’s almost like you can dislike the Abrahamic religions and still think that some are less bad than others. Like if all of the countries that execute people of your demographic are dominated by the same, specific Abrahamic religion.

It isn't so much the actual beliefs that change my view of them as it is the practices in the modern day. Islam hasn't been hit by a dose of the enlightenment like Christianity and Judaism were and as a result, the modernization process only began in the 20th century and is struggling to this day against the forces of barbarity. It also doesn't help that when some Arab guy says "why don't we create a secular democracy that respects the rights of all people?" or even a dictator who says "we shouldn't be jihadists, " the US and its best friends saudi Arabia and Israel come in to help the terrorists, like in syria.

I’d argue that the modern practices are one of the better ways of determining their actual beliefs. Besides, it’s not like the Quran is known for it’s stunning endorsement of homosexuals.

To be fair, it’s not all us on that front. Not gonna pretend like we’re helping or anything but we didn’t create those beliefs or introduce them to the population.

[Ors Might]

Palestine does not kill gays and recognizes gay marriage done outside the state because marriage isn't civil in palestine. The nations of Albania and Lebanon also recognize gay rights to a certain degree and Lebanon has recently started debating if it'll legalize gay marriage. ThAt being said, most Muslim countries are very anti gay and it amazes me that people on the American left who claim to support women's rights and gay rights also vehemently defend a religion that views women as property and gays as a target for violence and hate. If you support gay rights and feminism, you ought to dislike Islam more than I do. It doesn't mean you should hate all Muslims but if Imam Rami Farouk (totally made up name, this man does not exist) says "we should put homosexuals to death," your response ought to be " well you're one sick puppy aren't you? " And not "anyone who criticizes this religion for thinking this way is just islamaphobic and racist." Islam isn't a religion of peace. Christianity isn't a religion of love. Thankfully Europe learned in the 1700s to stop treating Christianity like it's actually real...well except for spain. Their inquisition went on till the 1800s

It's hard for me to accept that I should react like that. (And no, I'm obviously not saying you, Rojava, just that I know that point of view) Of course I have heard about Islam or other religions that have treated gays as the bottom of the barrel, it's a fact (and I really hate using that cliched phrase.) But for me; do I only care about facts? No. Because I have met people and became friends with them when I am supposed to be the ultimate embodiment of what is wrong and evil in their religions eyes. It's so tricky because as a whole, in general, overall, it seems to be very bad. But my choice is to react with a cautious open mind and trying to understand because I was lucky to make friends and not be stuck in fear of the unknown.

Islam being crap doesn’t prevent individual Muslims from being alright. A girl I knew was pretty chill, religion wasn’t something we really focused. We both had an interest in show so we were able to bond over the shared experience of seeing it end. No idea where she is now but I count her as a friend.

[N7eternia]

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. I think a lot of times, whenever there's a thing that's on the media about Muslims or Islam, it's negative. Like, there's absolutely no positive portrayals? I'm supposed to think that everyone from there is bad and hates a person like me?

[Purgatio]

I literally see no reason why people in the UK need to learn or understand about Islam. It will have zero bearing on their life or their future and if you're not a Muslim why do you need to know any of this stuff. It makes no sense.

[Vassenor]

I literally see no reason why people in the UK need to learn or understand about Islam. It will have zero bearing on their life or their future and if you're not a Muslim why do you need to know any of this stuff. It makes no sense.

So learning that they exist is bad?

[Purgatio]

I literally see no reason why people in the UK need to learn or understand about Islam. It will have zero bearing on their life or their future and if you're not a Muslim why do you need to know any of this stuff. It makes no sense.

So learning that they exist is bad?

Pretty sure you don't need classes on Islam to know "Muslims exist"

[Nakena]

It's hard for me to accept that I should react like that. (And no, I'm obviously not saying you, Rojava, just that I know that point of view) Of course I have heard about Islam or other religions that have treated gays as the bottom of the barrel, it's a fact (and I really hate using that cliched phrase.) But for me; do I only care about facts? No. Because I have met people and became friends with them when I am supposed to be the ultimate embodiment of what is wrong and evil in their religions eyes. It's so tricky because as a whole, in general, overall, it seems to be very bad. But my choice is to react with a cautious open mind and trying to understand because I was lucky to make friends and not be stuck in fear of the unknown.

Islam being crap doesn’t prevent individual Muslims from being alright. A girl I knew was pretty chill, religion wasn’t something we really focused. We both had an interest in show so we were able to bond over the shared experience of seeing it end. No idea where she is now but I count her as a friend.

Because people are people, and they do not necessarily follow, adhere or even care about the more grittier parts and tennants of Islam. Even moreso as the majority of them was literally born into and didn choose it on their own. Actually the majority of muslims I know do not (seem to) care alot about the Islam stuff, and the few that do well, they are not pushy about it either. However they wouldn want to give it up either I think. I believe for most it is something they attempt or try to whitewash for themselfs and everyone else.

Theres a difference between that is supposed to be in regards to Islam and what actually is and thats a very good thing in this case. The fundamentalism, the gritty parts. Thats something however thats always present in the background, omniously looming, more over themself than anything else.

Oh and you'd be surprised how much gay stuff is going on there...

[Vassenor]

So learning that they exist is bad?

Pretty sure you don't need classes on Islam to know "Muslims exist"

So we're back to "this is bad because it demystifies the group".

[Purgatio]

Pretty sure you don't need classes on Islam to know "Muslims exist"

So we're back to "this is bad because it demystifies the group".

No, we're back to "this is bad because there's no social or educational value to learning about Islam"

[Aureumterra]

So learning that they exist is bad?

Pretty sure you don't need classes on Islam to know "Muslims exist"

just turn on the TV and you’ll understand that, now can British kids learn subjects that actually matter like Science and Math?

[Ors Might]

I’m also pretty sure that you don’t need to learn about what a religion teaches in order to be taught to not hate people that are different than you. Hence no real reason why RE should be mandatory.

[Vassenor]

Pretty sure you don't need classes on Islam to know "Muslims exist"

just turn on the TV and you’ll understand that, now can British kids learn subjects that actually matter like Science and Math?

Which they still get taught. Kids aren't spending all day every day being taught about Islam.

[Purgatio]

Pretty sure you don't need classes on Islam to know "Muslims exist"

just turn on the TV and you’ll understand that, now can British kids learn subjects that actually matter like Science and Math?

Precisely. The purpose of school, an educational facility, is to enable a child's developmental opportunities and avenues for career development to expand, to be able to enter higher-skilled work. What professional degree can you get because you've done a class on Islam?

[Purgatio]

just turn on the TV and you’ll understand that, now can British kids learn subjects that actually matter like Science and Math?

Which they still get taught. Kids aren't spending all day every day being taught about Islam.

But its a waste of time and resources unless you can demonstrate the value of these classes. So what's the value?

[Ors Might]

just turn on the TV and you’ll understand that, now can British kids learn subjects that actually matter like Science and Math?

Which they still get taught. Kids aren't spending all day every day being taught about Islam.

So whats the point about RE being mandatory if the primary supposed benefit, being more tolerant, can be taught the same way anti-bullying is taught?

[Ifreann]

... You didn't read the OP, did you?

Probably not (Mission failed we'll get em next time)

If it does include all others then why the living **** does the title say Islam

Because parents want to pull their children out of the class when it teaches about Islam.

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I literally see no reason why people in the UK need to learn or understand about Islam. It will have zero bearing on their life or their future and if you're not a Muslim why do you need to know any of this stuff. It makes no sense.

Yeah, why should children understand the people they share the world with? That's pointless. Ignorance is great.

[Ors Might]

Probably not (Mission failed we'll get em next time)

If it does include all others then why the living **** does the title say Islam

Because parents want to pull their children out of the class when it teaches about Islam.

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I literally see no reason why people in the UK need to learn or understand about Islam. It will have zero bearing on their life or their future and if you're not a Muslim why do you need to know any of this stuff. It makes no sense.

Yeah, why should children understand the people they share the world with? That's pointless. Ignorance is great.

Do UK schools have classes on Veganism?

[Vassenor]

Probably not (Mission failed we'll get em next time)

If it does include all others then why the living **** does the title say Islam

Because parents want to pull their children out of the class when it teaches about Islam.

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I literally see no reason why people in the UK need to learn or understand about Islam. It will have zero bearing on their life or their future and if you're not a Muslim why do you need to know any of this stuff. It makes no sense.

Yeah, why should children understand the people they share the world with? That's pointless. Ignorance is great.

Ignorance is Strength.