Classes on Islam should be mandatory, UK teachers say

[Vassenor]

Here we go again, people pretending Islam is the only Abrahamic religion that opposes LGBTs and talks about the subservience of women.

Islam is the only major religion whose main prophetic figure explicitly commanded the murder of gay people for being gay, and all nations that still put gay people to death for being gay are Islamic.

Uganda is Islamic?

[Kowani]

Islam is the only major religion whose main prophetic figure explicitly commanded the murder of gay people for being gay, and all nations that still put gay people to death for being gay are Islamic.

Uganda is Islamic?

Citation needed on that death penalty for homosexuality.

[Tombradyonia]

Here we go again, people pretending Islam is the only Abrahamic religion that opposes LGBTs and talks about the subservience of women.

Islam is the only major religion whose main prophetic figure explicitly commanded the murder of gay people for being gay, and all nations that still put gay people to death for being gay are Islamic.

While that is certainly true, the bible also calls for the death of gay people, quite explicitly so.

Leviticus 20:13 And if a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is upon them.

[Vassenor]

Uganda is Islamic?

Citation needed on that death penalty for homosexuality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014

The bill provided specific definitions of "the offence of homosexuality", for which an offender could receive life imprisonment, and "aggravated homosexuality", for which an offender could receive the death penalty.

[Kowani]

Citation needed on that death penalty for homosexuality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014

The bill provided specific definitions of "the offence of homosexuality", for which an offender could receive life imprisonment, and "aggravated homosexuality", for which an offender could receive the death penalty.

From that very same page:

On 1 August 2014, however, the Constitutional Court of Uganda ruled the act invalid on procedural grounds.

[Vassenor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014

From that very same page:

On 1 August 2014, however, the Constitutional Court of Uganda ruled the act invalid on procedural grounds.

So because not enough people voted on it it somehow means they didn't try to make homosexuality a capital crime?

[Kowani]

From that very same page:

So because not enough people voted on it it somehow means they didn't try to make homosexuality a capital crime?

No. It means they tired and they failed.

[Crockerland]

Islam is the only major religion whose main prophetic figure explicitly commanded the murder of gay people for being gay, and all nations that still put gay people to death for being gay are Islamic.

Uganda is Islamic?

Uganda does not put gay people to death for being gay.

Islam is the only major religion whose main prophetic figure explicitly commanded the murder of gay people for being gay, and all nations that still put gay people to death for being gay are Islamic.

While that is certainly true, the bible also calls for the death of gay people, quite explicitly so.

Leviticus 20:13 And if a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is upon them.

The Hebrew word your translation is rendering as "abomination", תֹּועֵבָה (toevah) has explicit, irrevocable connotations to profane religious rights, and this verse is in reference to gay shrine prostitutes mentioned elsewhere in the Bible, such as in Deuteronomy 23:17.


"There is widespread agreement among Hebrew scholars that the word "toevah" as used in Leviticus is not, in fact, a moral term; instead, it is a cultic term which indicates "ritual uncleanness". Any action that is said to be "toevah" is an action which requires a person to engage in ritual purification before they may come to worship. Sometimes, the term "toevah" can be used in the Bible to refer simply to sinful behaviour in general, but in the case of the text in question, scholars agree that ritual uncleanness is implied."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2008/06/have_you_committed_an_abominat.html

Citation needed on that death penalty for homosexuality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014

The bill provided specific definitions of "the offence of homosexuality", for which an offender could receive life imprisonment, and "aggravated homosexuality", for which an offender could receive the death penalty.

Did you read this before you linked it? It says right there that the law was found to be illegal and voided by the courts.

[Vassenor]

Uganda is Islamic?

Uganda does not put gay people to death for being gay.

While that is certainly true, the bible also calls for the death of gay people, quite explicitly so.

Leviticus 20:13 And if a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is upon them.

The Hebrew word your translation is rendering as "abomination", תֹּועֵבָה (toevah) has explicit, irrevocable connotations to profane religious rights, and this verse is in reference to gay shrine prostitutes mentioned elsewhere in the Bible, such as in Deuteronomy 23:17.


"There is widespread agreement among Hebrew scholars that the word "toevah" as used in Leviticus is not, in fact, a moral term; instead, it is a cultic term which indicates "ritual uncleanness". Any action that is said to be "toevah" is an action which requires a person to engage in ritual purification before they may come to worship. Sometimes, the term "toevah" can be used in the Bible to refer simply to sinful behaviour in general, but in the case of the text in question, scholars agree that ritual uncleanness is implied."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2008/06/have_you_committed_an_abominat.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014

Did you read this before you linked it? It says right there that the law was found to be illegal and voided by the courts.

Only because the vote didn't achieve a sufficient quroum.

Or are you just going to keep moving the goalposts so you don't have to accept that an 85% Christian country tried to make homosexuality a capital crime this decade?

[Gormwood]

Uganda does not put gay people to death for being gay.



The Hebrew word your translation is rendering as "abomination", תֹּועֵבָה (toevah) has explicit, irrevocable connotations to profane religious rights, and this verse is in reference to gay shrine prostitutes mentioned elsewhere in the Bible, such as in Deuteronomy 23:17.


"There is widespread agreement among Hebrew scholars that the word "toevah" as used in Leviticus is not, in fact, a moral term; instead, it is a cultic term which indicates "ritual uncleanness". Any action that is said to be "toevah" is an action which requires a person to engage in ritual purification before they may come to worship. Sometimes, the term "toevah" can be used in the Bible to refer simply to sinful behaviour in general, but in the case of the text in question, scholars agree that ritual uncleanness is implied."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2008/06/have_you_committed_an_abominat.html


Did you read this before you linked it? It says right there that the law was found to be illegal and voided by the courts.

Only because the vote didn't achieve a sufficient quroum.

Or are you just going to keep moving the goalposts so you don't have to accept that an 85% Christian country tried to make homosexuality a capital crime this decade?

Have to preserve the narrative that Evil Filthy Muzzies are the only Abrahamics that treat LGBTs like shit.

[Kowani]

Only because the vote didn't achieve a sufficient quroum.

Or are you just going to keep moving the goalposts so you don't have to accept that an 85% Christian country tried to make homosexuality a capital crime this decade?

Have to preserve the narrative that Evil Filthy Muzzies are the only Abrahamics that treat LGBTs like shit.

Except that wasn’t what was claimed.

[Gormwood]

Have to preserve the narrative that Evil Filthy Muzzies are the only Abrahamics that treat LGBTs like shit.

Except that wasn’t what was claimed.

Claimed outright? No. Downplaying how Christianity and Judaism don't have better views on LGBTs? Definitely.

[Crockerland]

Uganda does not put gay people to death for being gay.



The Hebrew word your translation is rendering as "abomination", תֹּועֵבָה (toevah) has explicit, irrevocable connotations to profane religious rights, and this verse is in reference to gay shrine prostitutes mentioned elsewhere in the Bible, such as in Deuteronomy 23:17.


"There is widespread agreement among Hebrew scholars that the word "toevah" as used in Leviticus is not, in fact, a moral term; instead, it is a cultic term which indicates "ritual uncleanness". Any action that is said to be "toevah" is an action which requires a person to engage in ritual purification before they may come to worship. Sometimes, the term "toevah" can be used in the Bible to refer simply to sinful behaviour in general, but in the case of the text in question, scholars agree that ritual uncleanness is implied."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2008/06/have_you_committed_an_abominat.html


Did you read this before you linked it? It says right there that the law was found to be illegal and voided by the courts.

Only because the vote didn't achieve a sufficient quroum.

Or are you just going to keep moving the goalposts so you don't have to accept that an 85% Christian country tried to make homosexuality a capital crime this decade?

What the fuck are you on about now? Moving the goalposts? Here's the goalpost:

all nations that still put gay people to death for being gay are Islamic.

Zero people were put to death by Uganda for being gay under the bill. "Nations that still put gay people to death", not "nations that one time tried to pass a bill that in a previous iteration would have killed gay people if enforced but revised that provision and had the legislation struck down by the courts anyways".

And it says in the very first sentence of your article that: "The Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 (previously called the "Kill the Gays bill" in the western mainstream media due to death penalty clauses proposed in the original version) was passed by the Parliament of Uganda, on 20 December 2013 with life in prison substituted for the death penalty." Even if the law wasn't struck down it wouldn't have killed gay people.

[Vassenor]

Have to preserve the narrative that Evil Filthy Muzzies are the only Abrahamics that treat LGBTs like shit.

Except that wasn’t what was claimed.

>The only countries that put people to death for being homosexual are Muslim

>Christian country tries to put people to death for being homosexual

>that doesn't count

[Blood Wine]

I have to agree with the teachers, if LGBT classes are mandatory, why not classes on Islam?

Being LGBT is natural, religion is a personal choice

[Crockerland]

Except that wasn’t what was claimed.

Claimed outright? No. Downplaying how Christianity and Judaism don't have better views on LGBTs? Definitely.

Christian and Jewish countries do not kill gay people. In fact, the lone Jewish state recognizes gay marriage, as do two of the six nations that have Catholicism as their state religion (Argentina and Malta), and all of the countries that have any form of protestant Christianity as their state religion (Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Greenland, Faroe Islands, and England). Additionally, one of the two states that has a form of Orthodox Christianity as its state religion, Greece, had equal residency rights for gay couples due to a European Court of Justice ruling.

In contrast, of the countries where any form of Islam is the state religion, four of them (Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Palestine) put gay people to death, five more have the death penalty for gay people but do not carry it out (Mauritania, Sudan, Yemen, UAE, Qatar), and almost all of the rest make it illegal to be gay (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Oman, the Maldives, Malaysia, Brunei, Pakistan, Bangladesh), none recognize gay marriages.

[Crockerland]

Except that wasn’t what was claimed.

>The only countries that put people to death for being homosexual are Muslim

>Christian country tries to put people to death for being homosexual

>that doesn't count

Yeah, it doesn't count, because they didn't put anyone to death for being gay.

[The Grims]

Claimed outright? No. Downplaying how Christianity and Judaism don't have better views on LGBTs? Definitely.

Christian and Jewish countries do not kill gay people. In fact, the lone Jewish state recognizes gay marriage, as do two of the six nations that have Catholicism as their state religion (Argentina and Malta), and all of the countries that have any form of protestant Christianity as their state religion (Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Greenland, Faroe Islands, and England). Additionally, one of the two states that has a form of Orthodox Christianity as its state religion, Greece, had equal residency rights for gay couples due to a European Court of Justice ruling.

In contrast, of the countries where any form of Islam is the state religion, four of them (Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Palestine) put gay people to death, five more have the death penalty for gay people but do not carry it out (Mauritania, Sudan, Yemen, UAE, Qatar), and almost all of the rest make it illegal to be gay (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Oman, the Maldives, Malaysia, Brunei, Pakistan, Bangladesh), none recognize gay marriages.

To be fair, Iran does allow (and sponsors) honosexuals to undergo surgery to change their gender, so that they can marry their love.

[Abaja]

Parents should not be allowed to selectively remove their children from religious education (RE) lessons, headteachers say, as study reveals many withdrawal requests are over the teaching of Islam.

More than two in five school leaders and RE teachers have received requests for students to be withdrawn from teaching about one religion, research from Liverpool Hope University has revealed.

I have to agree with the teachers, if LGBT classes are mandatory, why not classes on Islam?

Can ya'll stop trying to force people to do things they probably don't want to do...
You learn about your religion through religious practices.

[Ors Might]

Except that wasn’t what was claimed.

>The only countries that put people to death for being homosexual are Muslim

>Christian country tries to put people to death for being homosexual

>that doesn't count

Yes, trying and horribly failing to do something does not count as actually doing it, Vass. The only countries that are currently executing gays for being gays are still Islamic. As many of us, including yourself, fall into the LGBT category, it isn’t unfair for us to take notice of that and wonder what the fuck is going on with Islam.

[Risottia]

There's no such thing as "abusing of a right": a right, by definition, have to be freely exercised.

I have to disagree with you on this one.
Rights aren't absolute. If I had an absolute right to freedom, I would also have the right to assault other people because I feel like it, and the government could not imprison me for assaulting people. I have a right to life, but not to the point of latching myself to another person's heart and use it to pump my blood around, too. I have a right to personal property, but do I have the right to prevent starving people from using my food or my shelter?
The point is that the rights are limited by the presence of other people who are also endowed with rights. Those rights can come into conflict.

[Zopciria]

I'm from a country whose major religion is Islam. I think religion has no place in schools, and if people want to believe in a religion, they should find the information themselves, with religious books etc. Religion is a very personal thing that is between the person and what they believe in.

[Rojava Free State]

Here we go again, people pretending Islam is the only Abrahamic religion that opposes LGBTs and talks about the subservience of women.

Yes, Christianity and Judaism are also anti modern, and that's why I hope everyday that the evangelicals and Catholic church will lose a hold of america. That being said, Islam is also violent and anti Democratic and unlike most christians, a large number of Muslims believe Islam to be true. Most so called Christians in Europe don't actually take their religion seriously whereas in many Muslim countries, questioning or insulting Islam is seen as the ultimate sin

[Ors Might]

Here we go again, people pretending Islam is the only Abrahamic religion that opposes LGBTs and talks about the subservience of women.

Yes, Christianity and Judaism are also anti modern, and that's why I hope everyday that the evangelicals and Catholic church will lose a hold of america. That being said, Islam is also violent and anti Democratic and unlike most christians, a large number of Muslims believe Islam to be true. Most so called Christians in Europe don't actually take their religion seriously whereas in many Muslim countries, questioning or insulting Islam is seen as the ultimate sin

It’s almost like you can dislike the Abrahamic religions and still think that some are less bad than others. Like if all of the countries that execute people of your demographic are dominated by the same, specific Abrahamic religion.

[Rojava Free State]

Claimed outright? No. Downplaying how Christianity and Judaism don't have better views on LGBTs? Definitely.

Christian and Jewish countries do not kill gay people. In fact, the lone Jewish state recognizes gay marriage, as do two of the six nations that have Catholicism as their state religion (Argentina and Malta), and all of the countries that have any form of protestant Christianity as their state religion (Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Greenland, Faroe Islands, and England). Additionally, one of the two states that has a form of Orthodox Christianity as its state religion, Greece, had equal residency rights for gay couples due to a European Court of Justice ruling.

In contrast, of the countries where any form of Islam is the state religion, four of them (Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Palestine) put gay people to death, five more have the death penalty for gay people but do not carry it out (Mauritania, Sudan, Yemen, UAE, Qatar), and almost all of the rest make it illegal to be gay (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Oman, the Maldives, Malaysia, Brunei, Pakistan, Bangladesh), none recognize gay marriages.

Palestine does not kill gays and recognizes gay marriage done outside the state because marriage isn't civil in palestine. The nations of Albania and Lebanon also recognize gay rights to a certain degree and Lebanon has recently started debating if it'll legalize gay marriage. ThAt being said, most Muslim countries are very anti gay and it amazes me that people on the American left who claim to support women's rights and gay rights also vehemently defend a religion that views women as property and gays as a target for violence and hate. If you support gay rights and feminism, you ought to dislike Islam more than I do. It doesn't mean you should hate all Muslims but if Imam Rami Farouk (totally made up name, this man does not exist) says "we should put homosexuals to death," your response ought to be " well you're one sick puppy aren't you? " And not "anyone who criticizes this religion for thinking this way is just islamaphobic and racist." Islam isn't a religion of peace. Christianity isn't a religion of love. Thankfully Europe learned in the 1700s to stop treating Christianity like it's actually real...well except for spain. Their inquisition went on till the 1800s