Classes on Islam should be mandatory, UK teachers say

[Al Mumtahanah]

So would you agree then that British colonialism of Africa was ok? What about Belgian colonialism of the congo? Clearly people move around all the time and we have no right to complain. SO what do you think about those migrations (European people to africa). Do you think that was ok?

Colonialism in Africa is only bad when they start treating the locals like crap.

Truly a noble white man's burden otherwise

[Genivaria]

Colonialism in Africa is only bad when they start treating the locals like crap.

Truly a noble white man's burden otherwise

If you say so...?
Not sure what that has to do with anything.

[Ifreann]

Look kid, designating some area as belonging to some people is just an exercise in ignoring history. Where do you think the Scottish came from? I know you don't think that God put them there. They migrated there and took the place over. Just like every people have done for every part of the world since humans first left whatever part of Africa we first emerged from. And it's not like everyone called dibs on part of the world and then their people stayed there until today. People moved around.

So would you agree then that British colonialism of Africa was ok? What about Belgian colonialism of the congo? Clearly people move around all the time and we have no right to complain. SO what do you think about those migrations (European people to africa). Do you think that was ok?

What do you think about the Roman conquest of Britain? The Anglo-Saxon conquest of Britain? The Norman conquest of Britain? None of those peoples were native to Britain, yet they all influenced the British culture you now insist is native to that island. How dare you reject the culture of Cheddar Man in favour of the cultures of foreign invaders.

You need to get over this silly notion that the ideas you adhere to and support are somehow native to Britain and anything else is alien and to be expelled.

[Andsed]

I agree with having classes based on teaching about Islam and it's history but not making it mandatory. That kind of class should be optional and simply there for those who want it.

[Al Mumtahanah]

So would you agree then that British colonialism of Africa was ok? What about Belgian colonialism of the congo? Clearly people move around all the time and we have no right to complain. SO what do you think about those migrations (European people to africa). Do you think that was ok?

What do you think about the Roman conquest of Britain? The Anglo-Saxon conquest of Britain? The Norman conquest of Britain? None of those peoples were native to Britain, yet they all influenced the British culture you now insist is native to that island. How dare you reject the culture of Cheddar Man in favour of the cultures of foreign invaders.

You need to get over this silly notion that the ideas you adhere to and support are somehow native to Britain and anything else is alien and to be expelled.

Brie > cheddar

[Proctopeo]

Just make RE an elective lmao

How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

"mama I ate an hour ago I'm still full"
"shut the fuck your mouth you little shit you will eat as much as I say you will, bigot"

did you think this post through or...

[Rojava Free State]

So would you agree then that British colonialism of Africa was ok? What about Belgian colonialism of the congo? Clearly people move around all the time and we have no right to complain. SO what do you think about those migrations (European people to africa). Do you think that was ok?

What do you think about the Roman conquest of Britain? The Anglo-Saxon conquest of Britain? The Norman conquest of Britain? None of those peoples were native to Britain, yet they all influenced the British culture you now insist is native to that island. How dare you reject the culture of Cheddar Man in favour of the cultures of foreign invaders.

You need to get over this silly notion that the ideas you adhere to and support are somehow native to Britain and anything else is alien and to be expelled.

There's nothing silly about wanting to keep homophobia, sexism and authoritarianism out of britain. Islam is an authoritarian religion and is bigotted as hell, and yet you continue to defend the most fundamentalist muslims. I will never accept changing my culture to not only fit a foreign belief system, but even worse a foreign belief system that hates freedom, and supports murder and tyranny. You wanna live in that? Move to one of the countries these people are from, but don't force the rest of us to endure it too.

By the way you never answered my question. Was European colonialism of Africa okay or not okay?

[Rojava Free State]

It isn't even about that alone. It's about Muslim immigrants to britain demanding society change in certain ways to accommodate them even though they are the immigrants and should integrate to accommodate the native culture.

Which still has nothing to do with schoolkids being taught the religion exists and parents getting upset by that because it might make it harder for them to convince the kids it's evil.

It's pretty easy to convince most people that a religion that supports putting gay people to death and murdering apostates is evil. Unless you are suggesting that murder is okay for certain cultures to perpetrate

[Greater Cesnica]

Just make RE an elective lmao

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

"mama I ate an hour ago I'm still full"
"shut the fuck your mouth you little shit you will eat as much as I say you will, bigot"

did you think this post through or...

tbf Iffy thinks rehabilitating people like Ted Bundy is a good idea.

[Skyviolia]

What do you think about the Roman conquest of Britain? The Anglo-Saxon conquest of Britain? The Norman conquest of Britain? None of those peoples were native to Britain, yet they all influenced the British culture you now insist is native to that island. How dare you reject the culture of Cheddar Man in favour of the cultures of foreign invaders.

You need to get over this silly notion that the ideas you adhere to and support are somehow native to Britain and anything else is alien and to be expelled.

There's nothing silly about wanting to keep homophobia, sexism, and authoritarianism out of britain Britain. Islam is an authoritarian religion and is bigotted bigoted as hell, and yet you continue to defend the most fundamentalist muslims Muslims. I will never accept changing my culture to not only fit a foreign belief system, but even worse a foreign belief system that hates freedom, and supports murder and tyranny. You wanna live in that? Move to one of the countries these people are from, but don't force the rest of us to endure it too.

By the way, you never answered my question. Was European colonialism of Africa okay or not okay?

If you dislike Islam so much, why not allow people to learn about it and come to their own conclusions?

[Greater Cesnica]

There's nothing silly about wanting to keep homophobia, sexism, and authoritarianism out of britain Britain. Islam is an authoritarian religion and is bigotted bigoted as hell, and yet you continue to defend the most fundamentalist muslims Muslims. I will never accept changing my culture to not only fit a foreign belief system, but even worse a foreign belief system that hates freedom, and supports murder and tyranny. You wanna live in that? Move to one of the countries these people are from, but don't force the rest of us to endure it too.

By the way, you never answered my question. Was European colonialism of Africa okay or not okay?

If you dislike Islam so much, why not allow people to learn about it and come to their own conclusions?

I am an Ahmadi Muslim and I dislike the ideology and thinking of the majority of Muslims.

[Dooom35796821595]

What do you think about the Roman conquest of Britain? The Anglo-Saxon conquest of Britain? The Norman conquest of Britain? None of those peoples were native to Britain, yet they all influenced the British culture you now insist is native to that island. How dare you reject the culture of Cheddar Man in favour of the cultures of foreign invaders.

You need to get over this silly notion that the ideas you adhere to and support are somehow native to Britain and anything else is alien and to be expelled.

Brie > cheddar

You monster.

[Greater Cesnica]

Brie > cheddar

You monster.

Mum should be quarantined just for this horrific comment

[Ors Might]

Theres different definitions of degeneracy.

No it means a moral fall from a more cultivated state.

I would argue lashing gays would qualify as a moral fall. A fall from what, I’m not sure, but I can’t imagine someone starting out at moral rock bottom.

[Ifreann]

What do you think about the Roman conquest of Britain? The Anglo-Saxon conquest of Britain? The Norman conquest of Britain? None of those peoples were native to Britain, yet they all influenced the British culture you now insist is native to that island. How dare you reject the culture of Cheddar Man in favour of the cultures of foreign invaders.

You need to get over this silly notion that the ideas you adhere to and support are somehow native to Britain and anything else is alien and to be expelled.

There's nothing silly about wanting to keep homophobia, sexism and authoritarianism out of britain.

Ah, so it is nothing to do with nativeness or foreignness. Because there are, as I am sure you must realise, Britons who are homophobic, sexist, and authoritarian. In fact, they're running the country.

Islam is an authoritarian religion and is bigotted as hell, and yet you continue to defend the most fundamentalist muslims.

I defend the rights of all people. It's this whole equality thing, maybe you've heard of it?

I will never accept changing my culture to not only fit a foreign belief system, but even worse a foreign belief system that hates freedom, and supports murder and tyranny. You wanna live in that? Move to one of the countries these people are from, but don't force the rest of us to endure it too.

What you will accept is irrelevant. Your culture, whatever it is you mean by that, will change. It changed in the past to become what it is now and it will continue to change in the future, both during your life and afterwards. You can scream and rend your shirt and curse foreigners or time itself or who or whatever you want, but it will happen. Depend.

By the way you never answered my question. Was European colonialism of Africa okay or not okay?

I answered your question, just not in the way you wanted.

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Just make RE an elective lmao


"mama I ate an hour ago I'm still full"
"shut the fuck your mouth you little shit you will eat as much as I say you will, bigot"

did you think this post through or...

tbf Iffy thinks rehabilitating people like Ted Bundy is a good idea.

It's wonderful to have fans.

[Greater Cesnica]

There's nothing silly about wanting to keep homophobia, sexism and authoritarianism out of britain.

Ah, so it is nothing to do with nativeness or foreignness. Because there are, as I am sure you must realise, Britons who are homophobic, sexist, and authoritarian. In fact, they're running the country.

Islam is an authoritarian religion and is bigotted as hell, and yet you continue to defend the most fundamentalist muslims.

I defend the rights of all people. It's this whole equality thing, maybe you've heard of it?

I will never accept changing my culture to not only fit a foreign belief system, but even worse a foreign belief system that hates freedom, and supports murder and tyranny. You wanna live in that? Move to one of the countries these people are from, but don't force the rest of us to endure it too.

What you will accept is irrelevant. Your culture, whatever it is you mean by that, will change. It changed in the past to become what it is now and it will continue to change in the future, both during your life and afterwards. You can scream and rend your shirt and curse foreigners or time itself or who or whatever you want, but it will happen. Depend.

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tbf Iffy thinks rehabilitating people like Ted Bundy is a good idea.

It's wonderful to have fans.

By the way you never answered my question. Was European colonialism of Africa okay or not okay?

I answered your question, just not in the way you wanted.

On phone, too lazy to edit quote. Iffy, do you believe that there are any ideologies or cultural norms incompatible with subjective liberal, secular values?

[Ifreann]

Ah, so it is nothing to do with nativeness or foreignness. Because there are, as I am sure you must realise, Britons who are homophobic, sexist, and authoritarian. In fact, they're running the country.

I defend the rights of all people. It's this whole equality thing, maybe you've heard of it?

What you will accept is irrelevant. Your culture, whatever it is you mean by that, will change. It changed in the past to become what it is now and it will continue to change in the future, both during your life and afterwards. You can scream and rend your shirt and curse foreigners or time itself or who or whatever you want, but it will happen. Depend.

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It's wonderful to have fans.


I answered your question, just not in the way you wanted.

On phone, too lazy to edit quote. Iffy, do you believe that there are any ideologies or cultural norms incompatible with subjective liberal, secular values?

Lots. But that's irrelevant to people's rights in society. Knowledge of Islam will not cause anyone any harm, so there should be no objections to teaching it in schools.

[Greater Cesnica]

On phone, too lazy to edit quote. Iffy, do you believe that there are any ideologies or cultural norms incompatible with subjective liberal, secular values?

Lots. But that's irrelevant to people's rights in society. Knowledge of Islam will not cause anyone any harm, so there should be no objections to teaching it in schools.

I agree. As long as the same approach is consistently taken with other major religions, I see no problem in educating children regarding it

[Rojava Free State]

There's nothing silly about wanting to keep homophobia, sexism and authoritarianism out of britain.

Ah, so it is nothing to do with nativeness or foreignness. Because there are, as I am sure you must realise, Britons who are homophobic, sexist, and authoritarian. In fact, they're running the country.

Islam is an authoritarian religion and is bigotted as hell, and yet you continue to defend the most fundamentalist muslims.

I defend the rights of all people. It's this whole equality thing, maybe you've heard of it?

I will never accept changing my culture to not only fit a foreign belief system, but even worse a foreign belief system that hates freedom, and supports murder and tyranny. You wanna live in that? Move to one of the countries these people are from, but don't force the rest of us to endure it too.

What you will accept is irrelevant. Your culture, whatever it is you mean by that, will change. It changed in the past to become what it is now and it will continue to change in the future, both during your life and afterwards. You can scream and rend your shirt and curse foreigners or time itself or who or whatever you want, but it will happen. Depend.

By the way you never answered my question. Was European colonialism of Africa okay or not okay?

I answered your question, just not in the way you wanted.

No you didnt. You talked about Romans and Germanic people and made no mention of africa. And as for the thing about "it isn't about nativeness," yes it is.

#1 most brits are tolerant of gays. Yes there are homophobic Brits but In Britain being a homophobe is highly frowned upon whereas in Islamic natioms, being gay can range from being totally ostracized to bring murdered..

#2 islam is incompatible with western democracy. I don't want to give power to a fascistic ideology that seeks to oppress me. You say my culture will change, well I and the rest of the people in my nation who have any balls left aren't about to sit back and let some closet ISIS sympathizers take over under the guise of tolerance

#3 parents have a right to opt their children out of certain education. The school can teach about Islam but it better give the parents and kids their rights to not hear about it.

If any culture ought to be changed overtime, it's Islamic culture. More respect for women and gay people and free speech and secularism would help a lot

[Al Mumtahanah]

No it means a moral fall from a more cultivated state.

I would argue lashing gays would qualify as a moral fall. A fall from what, I’m not sure, but I can’t imagine someone starting out at moral rock bottom.

Death for sodomy was probably common in Arabia before Islam

[Rojava Free State]

There's nothing silly about wanting to keep homophobia, sexism, and authoritarianism out of britain Britain. Islam is an authoritarian religion and is bigotted bigoted as hell, and yet you continue to defend the most fundamentalist muslims Muslims. I will never accept changing my culture to not only fit a foreign belief system, but even worse a foreign belief system that hates freedom, and supports murder and tyranny. You wanna live in that? Move to one of the countries these people are from, but don't force the rest of us to endure it too.

By the way, you never answered my question. Was European colonialism of Africa okay or not okay?

If you dislike Islam so much, why not allow people to learn about it and come to their own conclusions?

I'll gladly hand a Quran out to everyone in the street and let them think for themselves

Btw don't be a grammar Nazi mate, it isn't cool

[Rojava Free State]

I would argue lashing gays would qualify as a moral fall. A fall from what, I’m not sure, but I can’t imagine someone starting out at moral rock bottom.

Death for sodomy was probably common in Arabia before Islam

Therefore Islam is nothing more than a continuation of the culture at the time and is a product of its era, not a God

[Gormwood]

Pffft, silly libs, who needs to establish RE classes to brainwash children into jihadis with when they can all learn about Islam by watching Team America: World Police and Starship Troopers?

Yeah, you can tell people have fantasies about Western countries following China and Myanmar's playbooks on what to do with Muslims in the West.

[Rojava Free State]

Pffft, silly libs, who needs to establish RE classes to brainwash children into jihadis with when they can all about Islam by watching Team America: World Police and Starship Troopers?

Yeah, you can tell people have fantasies about Western countries following China and Myanmar's playbooks on what do with Muslims in the West.

Why must the debate be "kill all brown people" vs "let the Muslims totally change society in nations they are not a majority in?" Isn't there any middle ground that doesn't involve violence or subjugation?

[Al Mumtahanah]

If you dislike Islam so much, why not allow people to learn about it and come to their own conclusions?

I am an Ahmadi Muslim and I dislike the ideology and thinking of the majority of Muslims.

Well didn't your founder say every single school not named after Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was bid'ah? That is, all four madhabs?