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Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
>traitors against the west

>not saying "race traitors"

Uh-huh. Pull the other one, it rings.

Mhm.

Western Civilization=Racist codeword for White Civilization.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:It may be used as that, but I’m not using it that way here.

Indeed but Swastikas have the same equivalence in situation in this regard and we have the sense to not use them.

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
>traitors against the west

>not saying "race traitors"

Uh-huh. Pull the other one, it rings.

You’ve asked me to justify things, so justify your line of reasoning to me: where did I say that?

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Being a citizen in the West doesn’t mean you can’t be a traitor or enemy to it.

Gormwood wrote:

Al Mumtahanah wrote:Perfectly sums it up.

That was a quote from Donnie Trump on Mexicans after he spent a good time tirading that they're drug-dealing rapists.

Vassenor wrote:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:You’ve asked me to justify things, so justify your line of reasoning to me: where did I say that?

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Being a citizen in the West doesn’t mean you can’t be a traitor or enemy to it.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Nakena wrote:
After he rode down from his escalator and descended from his Golden Tower to trash american politics for good.

Like in the simpsons...

Part of me wonders if he saw that episode and decided "I'm gonna do it."

Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel wrote:

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Mhm.

Western Civilization=Racist codeword for White Civilization.

It's not even western anymore. Western Civilization has been hijacked by a religion from Southern Palestine called Christianity.

Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel wrote:

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Mhm.

Western Civilization=Racist codeword for White Civilization.

It's not even western anymore. Western Civilization has been hijacked by a religion from Southern Palestine called Christianity.

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:

Vassenor wrote:

The West is a society ruled over by enlightenment values. If you are opposed to the enlightenment, you are a threat to that society. You can live in that society and be working against it.

Al Mumtahanah wrote:

Gormwood wrote:That was a quote from Donnie Trump on Mexicans after he spent a good time tirading that they're drug-dealing rapists.

Yep I'm aware it's a good analogy for the racism implicit here. I have have seen racists online even defend using the word "nigger" because "some blacks are good, they aren't niggers, I don't mean them."

Vassenor wrote:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:The West is a society ruled over by enlightenment values. If you are opposed to the enlightenment, you are a threat to that society. You can live in that society and be working against it.

Religious tolerance is an enlightenment value. By your own logic you are a traitor against the west.

Vassenor wrote:

Nakena wrote:
Examples?

Like all the people using this thread as an excuse to complain about Islam's very existence.

Crockerland wrote:https://quran.com/2/223
"Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers."


This should be one of the first lessons in the classes on Islam, how Islam promotes and endorses the forcible rape of women. This is not limited to the wives of Muslims, but slaves are also permitted to be raped after being dragged away from their husbands and fathers.


https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-8/Hadith-3432/
"Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:

" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."

https://muflihun.com/muslim/8/3371
"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger ﷺ mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger ﷺ on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us;
why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger ﷺ, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Genivaria wrote:You're really gonna have to demonstrate why anyone should view 'Western Civilization' as a racist codeword comparable to a fucking Nazi swastika.

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Al Mumtahanah wrote:

Crockerland wrote:https://quran.com/2/223
"Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers."


This should be one of the first lessons in the classes on Islam, how Islam promotes and endorses the forcible rape of women. This is not limited to the wives of Muslims, but slaves are also permitted to be raped after being dragged away from their husbands and fathers.


https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-8/Hadith-3432/
"Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:

" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."

https://muflihun.com/muslim/8/3371
"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger ﷺ mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger ﷺ on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us;
why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger ﷺ, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

This is Moses from the Bible: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Why aren't you flipping out over Jews and Christians? Indeed while the Qur'an says in court a woman is equal to a male witness, the Bible says female testimony is totally invalid. No one is crying how Jews and Christians are a threat to western civilization.

Al Mumtahanah wrote:

Crockerland wrote:https://quran.com/2/223
"Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers."


This should be one of the first lessons in the classes on Islam, how Islam promotes and endorses the forcible rape of women. This is not limited to the wives of Muslims, but slaves are also permitted to be raped after being dragged away from their husbands and fathers.


https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-8/Hadith-3432/
"Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:

" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."

https://muflihun.com/muslim/8/3371
"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger ﷺ mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger ﷺ on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us;
why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger ﷺ, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

This is Moses from the Bible: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Why aren't you flipping out over Jews and Christians? Indeed while the Qur'an says in court a woman is equal to a male witness, the Bible says female testimony is totally invalid. No one is crying how Jews and Christians are a threat to western civilization.

Al Mumtahanah wrote:

Crockerland wrote:https://quran.com/2/223
"Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers."


This should be one of the first lessons in the classes on Islam, how Islam promotes and endorses the forcible rape of women. This is not limited to the wives of Muslims, but slaves are also permitted to be raped after being dragged away from their husbands and fathers.


https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-8/Hadith-3432/
"Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:

" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."

https://muflihun.com/muslim/8/3371
"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger ﷺ mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger ﷺ on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us;
why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger ﷺ, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

This is Moses from the Bible: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Why aren't you flipping out over Jews and Christians? Indeed while the Qur'an says in court a woman is equal to a male witness, the Bible says female testimony is totally invalid. No one is crying how Jews and Christians are a threat to western civilization.

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:

Vassenor wrote:

The West is a society ruled over by enlightenment values. If you are opposed to the enlightenment, you are a threat to that society. You can live in that society and be working against it.

Al Mumtahanah wrote:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:The West is a society ruled over by enlightenment values. If you are opposed to the enlightenment, you are a threat to that society. You can live in that society and be working against it.

Enlightenment values that used racism to exclude non whites from benefiting from their humanism. Being against racism and "the white man's burden" would have been called against western values

Fartsniffage wrote:

Al Mumtahanah wrote:This is Moses from the Bible: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Why aren't you flipping out over Jews and Christians? Indeed while the Qur'an says in court a woman is equal to a male witness, the Bible says female testimony is totally invalid. No one is crying how Jews and Christians are a threat to western civilization.

Because the vast majority of Christians and Jews have moved on and no longer espouse the really unpleasant portions of their mythology. That hasn't happened so much with Islam.

Crockerland wrote:

Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel wrote:It's not even western anymore. Western Civilization has been hijacked by a religion from Southern Palestine called Christianity.

Lol at "Southern Palestine".

Anyways the Christian religions of modern Western Civilization, the Roman Catholic Church and various forms of Protestantism (IE: Baptism, Dutch Reformed, Calvinism) developed in the West, and early Christianity developed in Israel while the Roman Empire, based in Italy, was in control of the land where early Christians lived.

Ors Might wrote:

Al Mumtahanah wrote:This is Moses from the Bible: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Why aren't you flipping out over Jews and Christians? Indeed while the Qur'an says in court a woman is equal to a male witness, the Bible says female testimony is totally invalid. No one is crying how Jews and Christians are a threat to western civilization.

I can break out my criticisms on Judaism and Christianity, if you insist. I’m no friend of those faiths.

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:

Al Mumtahanah wrote:Enlightenment values that used racism to exclude non whites from benefiting from their humanism. Being against racism and "the white man's burden" would have been called against western values

And that would have been wrong. The West isn’t perfect, but its methodology means it consistently improves itself. Can’t say the same for a community that’s still debating “Islamic Slavery”.

Al Mumtahanah wrote:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:And that would have been wrong. The West isn’t perfect, but its methodology means it consistently improves itself. Can’t say the same for a community that’s still debating “Islamic Slavery”.

In contrast with western slavery. Muslim States no longer permit slavery though